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The future is, plastics...

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Im going back to the pretty girl thread....

Like any proud, red-blooded American - back to the really important stuff!
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Im going back to the pretty girl thread....
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Unfortunately there isn't a whole lot an individual can do about this, requires regulation (I hate that word)
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Our ecosystem is amazingly robust. I just wonder when our impact on the environment reaches the tipping point and nature pukes a big loogie on the human race.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Our ecosystem is amazingly robust. I just wonder when our impact on the environment reaches the tipping point and nature pukes a big loogie on the human race.


That's one of my biggest fears. I am not sure if a giant cataclysmic event would occur, but more of a progressive chain reaction that would happen in our lifetime.
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aren't there a lot of plastic in those hybrids?
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So the solution is to clean up the waterways...and dump the plastic in the landfills?

I say keep it in the ocean...once there is enough plastic floating out there...we can all walk to Hawaii
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So the solution is to clean up the waterways...and dump the plastic in the landfills?

I say keep it in the ocean...once there is enough plastic floating out there...we can all walk to Hawaii
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Pacific Ocean Plastic Mistaken for Plankton Threatens Wildlife

Marine researchers Charles Moore and Marcus Eriksen surveyed the dark water of the Pacific Ocean aboard a catamaran about 700 miles (1,126 kilometers) north of Hawaii in January and found trash everywhere.

They were in the eye of the North Pacific subtropical gyre, where opposing ocean currents form a vortex bigger than Australia, trapping tons of floating debris in its circular flow.

Trash that wound up there used to decompose. Now, with 403 billion pounds of plastic produced annually, according to the Houston-based consulting group Chemical Markets Associates Inc., areas of the gyre have turned into a soup of indigestible shards that can break down to the size of plankton and be mistaken for food, endangering millions of fish and birds.

``No matter where we go, we find plastic,'' said Moore, 60. ``The ocean is now this plastic soup, and we just don't know what that's doing.''

Marine debris worldwide kills more than 1 million sea birds and 100,000 mammals each year, according to the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. The chemical-laden materials have been found in the stomachs of dead fish and birds.

``We know that these plastics can carry high levels of toxins that they collect as they float,'' said Eriksen, 40, an oceanographer with Moore at the nonprofit Algalita Marine Research Foundation in Long Beach, California. ``The next step is to see if it bio-accumulates up the food chain onto your dinner plate.''

No clean-up efforts are under way, according to the NOAA and researchers. Moore and Eriksen said such an endeavor wouldn't be feasible because of the distance from land. The oceanographic agency has focused on removing derelict fishing gear threatening marine mammals and corals. The plastic industry is funding litter-reduction efforts......
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We're all going to die in 2032 anyway.. BIG BOOM!
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We're all going to die in 2032 anyway.. BIG BOOM!
We need to make it past 2012 first...
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
So the solution is to clean up the waterways...and dump the plastic in the landfills?

I say keep it in the ocean...once there is enough plastic floating out there...we can all walk to Hawaii

Shit, I'd rather have junk in landfills than the ocean..
A lot of landfills are beautiful.. that sounds weird to say, but it's true.
We have a lot better control over shoving shit under other shit than throwing shit in the water.
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We need to make it past 2012 first...

Well only 50% of us will.. the rest die in 2032..
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The Gulf's Growing 'Dead Zone'

The American Midwest is essentially the granary of the world, supplying corn, wheat and other crops to markets from Chile to China. But all that food doesn't grow by itself. In 2006 U.S. farmers used more than 21 million tons of nitrogen, phosphorus and other fertilizers to boost their crops, and all those chemicals have consequences far beyond the immediate area. When the spring rains come, fertilizer from Midwestern farms drains into the Mississippi river system and down to Louisiana, where the agricultural sewage pours into the Gulf of Mexico. Just as fertilizer speeds the growth of plants on land, the chemicals enhance the rapid development of algae in the water. When the algae die and decompose, the process sucks all the oxygen out of the surrounding waters, leading to a hypoxic event — better known as a "dead zone." The water becomes as barren as the surface of the moon. What sea life that can flee the zone does so; what can't, dies.....
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Our ecosystem is amazingly robust. I just wonder when our impact on the environment reaches the tipping point and nature pukes a big loogie on the human race.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Our ecosystem is amazingly robust. I just wonder when our impact on the environment reaches the tipping point and nature pukes a big loogie on the human race.
Somebody needs to go see The Happening
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Watch the videos on this site, it's truly pretty disturbing

http://www.vbs.tv/shows/toxic/garbage-island/
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We're our own biggest enemies, we have proven time and time again that we are horrible at trying to manage and maintain an environment and I'm not completely sure it's our fault. Species have evolved, lived and became extinct long before humans ever roamed the globe. Any time we try to correct something that we may have done, we create an unthought of ripple that is often just as bad as the problem we were trying to fix. There is no obvious answer, don't litter and if you see something on the ground pick it up, but creating an active plan to clean things up may create a ripple larger then the problem we are currently facing.

Not to mention they say the problem in the Pacific is larger then Texas, yet they show it as greater then 1/2 of the continental USA. I question how much these stories are propaganda to keep us in fear.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Our ecosystem is amazingly robust. I just wonder when our impact on the environment reaches the tipping point and nature pukes a big loogie on the human race.
The Happening
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Stinging Tentacles Offer Hint of Oceans’ Decline

BARCELONA, Spain — Blue patrol boats crisscross the swimming areas of beaches here with their huge nets skimming the water’s surface. The yellow flags that urge caution and the red flags that prohibit swimming because of risky currents are sometimes topped now with blue ones warning of a new danger: swarms of jellyfish.

In a period of hours during a day a couple of weeks ago, 300 people on Barcelona’s bustling beaches were treated for stings, and 11 were taken to hospitals.

From Spain to New York, to Australia, Japan and Hawaii, jellyfish are becoming more numerous and more widespread, and they are showing up in places where they have rarely been seen before, scientists say. The faceless marauders are stinging children blithely bathing on summer vacations, forcing beaches to close and clogging fishing nets.

But while jellyfish invasions are a nuisance to tourists and a hardship to fishermen, for scientists they are a source of more profound alarm, a signal of the declining health of the world’s oceans.....
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Somebody needs to go see The Happening
The trees are going to kill us
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How Big Is That Widening Gyre of Floating Plastic?

In the Pacific, Ocean Flows Sweep Litter Into a Flotilla That Could Be the Size of Quebec or Maybe the U.S. -- No One Knows

A soup of plastic debris floats off the coast of California, a testament to humanity's reliance on plastic and the failure to dispose of it properly.

Just how big is this oceanic zone? Some say it is about the size of Quebec, or 600,000 square miles -- also described as twice the size of Texas. Others say this expanse of junk swept together by currents is the size of the U.S. -- 3.8 million square miles. Or, it could be twice that size.

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch, as it has been called, has become a symbol of what some say is a looming crisis over trash. But this floating mass of plastic in the Pacific Ocean is hard to measure, and few agree on how big it is or how much plastic it holds. That makes it difficult to determine what to do about it.....
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We should send it all into space. I mean, the moon is pretty close and serves no real purpose aside from the whole gravity thing...
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Pacific Ocean 'dead zone' in Northwest may be irreversible

Oxygen depletion that is killing sea life off Oregon and Washington is probably caused by evolving wind conditions from climate change, rather than pollution, one oceanographer warns.

Reporting from Corvallis, Ore. - An oxygen-depleted "dead zone" the size of New Jersey is starving sea life off the coast of Oregon and Washington and will probably appear there each summer as a result of climate change, an Oregon State University researcher said Thursday.

The huge area is one of 400 dead zones around the world, most of them caused by fertilizer and sewage dumped into the oceans in river runoff.

But the dead zone off the Northwest is one of the few in the world -- and possibly the only one in North America -- that could be impossible to reverse.....
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2nd time ive heard about this plastic waste island.

its a shame.
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we should send this to space to get incinerated
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Shoot it into space and shoot it with a rocket or something and blow that shit up
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send it to the sun!
err thats what i meant. not just space. =/

too bad the fuel costs probably wouldnt justify doing so... at least financially.
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Woman tackles 'Great Garbage Patch'

She learned how to sail at age 4 and spent almost half her life running an international yacht chartering business in Sausalito, California.

But about two years ago, Crowley dove into a new project: helping to clean up the world's oceans. She set sail on a monthlong voyage into the North Pacific Gyre, parts of which are known as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.

The gyre, or area of spiraling ocean currents, is approximately twice the size of the continental United States. It isn't filled with garbage, but the region is known for accumulating large amounts of waste and debris that get trapped by its large clockwise currents between North America and Japan.

"I've been out to the same part of the ocean 30 years ago, and then, it was clean oceanic wilderness. And now, it's like a dump," Crowley said. "This is significantly worse....."
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You guys should read the actual articles. Someone picked out the most alarmist parts and used those to make a point here.

How about:
Prof. Karl did find some positive aspects of the patch -- a high concentration of microorganisms clinging to the debris. "The microorganisms are good for the ocean, because it turns out they're making oxygen," Prof. Karl says. "If plastics were otherwise neutral to the environment, then they'd be helping by harvesting more solar energy." Dr. Bamford says it is possible that a cleanup, even if it were feasible, would do more harm than good, by removing these organisms.
or:

But this floating mass of plastic in the Pacific Ocean is hard to measure, and few agree on how big it is or how much plastic it holds. That makes it difficult to determine what to do about it.

That hasn't stopped activists and the media from using only the biggest estimates of the patch's size to warn of an environmental catastrophe.
Not to say that a bunch of plastic floating around is a good thing anywhere, but cherry picking paragraphs is not really honest either.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit reporting that gets the Global Warming people worked up. Nice job Fibber.

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Not to say that a bunch of plastic floating around is a good thing anywhere, but cherry picking paragraphs is not really honest either.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit reporting that gets the Global Warming people worked up. Nice job Fibber.
There's no such thing as objectivity anyway, so why are you looking for it in the news of all places?

Regardless of how dangerous this may actually be, it's disturbing to see how we've treated this world. I think that more news like this will only help people realize this faster - the more exaggerated, the better!
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