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Old 12-20-2007, 10:09 AM   #81
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If there were more bad people than good people in this world, we'd all be screwed on a daily basis (just my opinion, I say there's more good than bad). What's your definition of "cholo"? I ask this, cause I'm Latin, and I tend to shave my head over the summer mostly.
Well, to be honest, it's what you consider "good" that tells you how many "good" people there are in this world. All I can say is...nobody's hands are clean and free. But regarding cholos, I consider those who are affiliated and/or in a Latino or Chicano gang cholos.
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Grande, you have taken a very defensive posture, when none was needed. You made a remark in your first post (included below) that suggested that you would arrest anyone carrying a weapon without a CCW. I responded to you by saying that not all of those people needed to be arrested, and apparently your law enforcement experience leads you to believe that I was incorrect. My personal feeling aside, I would only suggest that you learn/experience as much about law enforcement as you can before making statements about the kind of judgment necessary to be an effective police officer. Good luck at the academy, be safe in the jails, and welcome to a very interesting career,

On a side note, during your training for both the jail and the street, resist the urge to become defensive if ideas different from yours are presented. Many people washed out of my and other programs due to "difficulties" meshing with instruction that they didn't agree with.


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I hope you guys all have CCW permits to be carrying these weapons around...if not, don't come around LA County with em, especially after Summer of 08, when I officially become an LA County Sheriffs Deputy. But with regards to the Glock, it's a very good shot, lightweight and pretty accurate. Personally I enjoy shooting a Glock 20 more. 10mils are nice. But for power I shoot a .500 S&W. Two words: Hand cannon. Goin huntin an elephant?
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I shot a G23 last night. Liked it a lot but I have big hands so I prefer the G22.

Haven't decided if I want a G17 or G22 yet though.
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I have big hands

Quit bragging......
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Old 12-20-2007, 12:42 PM   #85
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I shot a G23 last night. Liked it a lot but I have big hands so I prefer the G22.

Haven't decided if I want a G17 or G22 yet though.

get both


but seriously have you shot both? which one was more comfortable for you?


i would recommend the .40 cal , but to each his own
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Old 12-20-2007, 02:05 PM   #86
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but seriously have you shot both? which one was more comfortable for you?


i would recommend the .40 cal , but to each his own
YES! I very much agree. The .40 cal is by far my favorite gun to shoot. I think it's a well balanced gun, has both power and accuracy. I have yet to have bought it from my friend though. Guns are another expensive hobby, which I don't want to get myself into yet. But I do enjoy going to gun ranges with my friend. He has over 20 guns/rifles. And I've seen what he spends on them/ammo.
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but seriously have you shot both? which one was more comfortable for you?


i would recommend the .40 cal , but to each his own
I have not shot the 17. In fact the only 9mm I've fired is the Beretta 92FS which I did not like.

My first time ever firing a handgun was with the G23 and I was able to put 4 of 5 rounds in a 1" cluster from 7 yards. Not spectacular since it's only 7 yards... but it was my very first time shooting and was very comfortable with the gun. Wasn't so much with the Beretta or a 38 special
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get both


but seriously have you shot both? which one was more comfortable for you?


i would recommend the .40 cal , but to each his own
The stopping power of a 45ACP and compact, I love my 229.
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YES! I very much agree. The .40 cal is by far my favorite gun to shoot. I think it's a well balanced gun, has both power and accuracy. I have yet to have bought it from my friend though. Guns are another expensive hobby, which I don't want to get myself into yet. But I do enjoy going to gun ranges with my friend. He has over 20 guns/rifles. And I've seen what he spends on them/ammo.
He has a sick ass collection though
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The stopping power of a 45ACP and compact, I love my 229.

And if you shoot hollow point, you can use extra bullets as shot glasses, since the cavity is big enough!!

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But when weak-sense thinkers feel their beliefs are threatened they tend to become offended and respond in a hostile way.
Getting a nose bleed from that high horse you're sitting on?

Social idiot.
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I shot a G23 last night. Liked it a lot but I have big hands so I prefer the G22.

Haven't decided if I want a G17 or G22 yet though.
My friend has a G22. I can't stand it. The trigger is completely worthless. I'm much more happy with my XD40 Tac.
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My friend has a G22. I can't stand it. The trigger is completely worthless. I'm much more happy with my XD40 Tac.


I been looking the XD's, havent actually shot one yet, but how do you like the grip safety? In a fast draw could it not be held tight enough to engage there fore not firing? or no issues?
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I been looking the XD's, havent actually shot one yet, but how do you like the grip safety? In a fast draw could it not be held tight enough to engage there fore not firing? or no issues?
No, never a problem on the draw. And if you did have a problem, then you're not holding your gun correctly.
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And if you shoot hollow point, you can use extra bullets as shot glasses, since the cavity is big enough!!



The JHP I use for some practice and personal defense. Unfortunately, JHP is do damn expensive to practice with.
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I been looking the XD's, havent actually shot one yet, but how do you like the grip safety? In a fast draw could it not be held tight enough to engage there fore not firing? or no issues?

It is the same design as has been used on all 1911 style pistols for, well, about 100 years. Many SF guys trade in the m9 Berretta and pick up a 1911, and many tactical teams still prefer the 1911 (although Glock has been changing this through marketing and subsidies..)

Grip safeties can be helpful if a bad guy ever gets your gun in a gun fight, as he better know what he is doing or the gun may not fire... Also, single stack pistols are easier to grip correctly, or rather double stack are easier to grip "off center." No external safety device on a Glock... ( I don't hate Glocks, don't flame me here....)
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The JHP I use for some practice and personal defense. Unfortunately, JHP is do damn expensive to practice with.

But very important to make sure it cycles in your chamber!
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I been looking the XD's, havent actually shot one yet, but how do you like the grip safety? In a fast draw could it not be held tight enough to engage there fore not firing? or no issues?
the grip safety is actually pretty light and requires no conscience effort to use when you grip the pistol properly. fast draw or slow draw, your grip should be right before you light off a round. if you can't grip it right drawing quickly, go only as fast as you can while getting a correct grip and practice, practice, practice. the speed will develop.

don't be in a hurry to miss.
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Suprised noone has reference H&K. Glock, Sig and H&K are the big 3 in my mind...

I'm a Heckler and Kock fan myself...

USP .45 with a docter optics holosight in the rear weaver is my favorite... but I have about 6 others, all flavors of USP 9, .40. and .45/ tactical variants and accessories.

I never could get good control with my trigger with that crazy glock trigger safety.

You're doig yourself a disservice by not trying out a H&K.

If/when I ever need a CCW, P7M8 will be my choice, that's my bonus to myself this year...
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Suprised noone has reference H&K. Glock, Sig and H&K are the big 3 in my mind...

I'm a Heckler and Kock fan myself...

USP .45 with a docter optics holosight in the rear weaver is my favorite... but I have about 6 others, all flavors of USP 9, .40. and .45/ tactical variants and accessories.

I never could get good control with my trigger with that crazy glock trigger safety.

You're doig yourself a disservice by not trying out a H&K.

If/when I ever need a CCW, P7M8 will be my choice, that's my bonus to myself this year...

Meh... No offense but I was never impressed with the "Grip Cock" thing (yeah I said it, you wanna fight about it?) Just seemed overly complicated, and possibly a conflict with my notion of sympathetic responses. I must say, I only have held them, never fired them, though so my opinion, as usual, is fairly useless.

I think the key is to find something that works for you and stick with it. Practice is the key, as was recently posted...
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I saw some H&K's at the gun show. Way out of my budget.

I will be shooting this springfield on Sat. I cant wait...
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Getting a nose bleed from that high horse you're sitting on?

Social idiot.
Hahahaha people like you make me happy to be me.
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I saw some H&K's at the gun show. Way out of my budget.

I will be shooting this springfield on Sat. I cant wait...
MK23s are so damn nice to shoot...out of my budget too tho.
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I saw some H&K's at the gun show. Way out of my budget.

I will be shooting this springfield on Sat. I cant wait...

Pics? And Trance, you are in Texas!! I thought all guns were half price in Texas.
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Pics? And Trance, you are in Texas!! I thought all guns were half price in Texas.

Hah, I wish they were.


Heres a pic I took just for you...

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He has a sick ass collection though
Yes he does. In Texas, it's legal to have fully automatic weapons (but it takes awhile to get the license). He has an auto shotty, mp5, ar-15, some other sweet rifle, and a ton of pistols. Oh yea, and a normal looking pump shotgun as well. He has this revolver that he uses what looks like minature shotgun shells. That thing is a beast! I don't know much about guns, so I couldn't tell you the names and such. I'll try and post pics next time I go. I'm sure you guys would love to see his collection.
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I saw some H&K's at the gun show. Way out of my budget.

I will be shooting this springfield on Sat. I cant wait...
When I got my Sigs about 10-12 years ago H&K was just coming out, I couldn't see paying $400 more for them.
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What kind of ammo do you guys use?

For FMJ/TMJ, I use Winchester white box or CCI Blazer for practice. For personal defense, Win Ranger or Federal (165 grain). Any suggestions?

Any luck with buying good quantities in bulk from WalMart in socal? It's either that or online.
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Here's my Favorite HK USP- .45 full Stainless Slide (I have 3 other stainless slide USPs, Stainless was discontinued in 2004):





I love the USP platform, simple as a kalishnakov, and the dual spring recoil damper makes the .45 shoot like butter. My .40 compact snaps all over the place.

I'm a total accessory nerd, all 4 of my USP Fulls are rigged out like this. I have an aimpoint and an OE flash compensator on the .40. It's a space gun, totally a safe queen.

- Doctor Optics Holosight in the rear weaver... makes shooting so easy, you loose your skills. Being in that window with the red dot on you is a very bad thing.



- Match trigger group. 7lb DA and 3lb SA pulls respectively

- Ambi decock/safety

- The black block is called a "match weight". It bolts onto the rail and reduces muzzle flip. The L O N G barrel gets installed when the weight is on. Longer barrel and less muzzle flip = more accurate/fatser shots (The match was designed for IPSC shooting). An official USP Match is worth about 4X as much as a standard USP as it hasn't been imported since 1998. The only difference between the two was the match trigger, weight, extended barrel, and MATCH engraved on the side. I have all but the engraving...
Anyone remember Angelina's Tomb Raider gun? - It was a hollywood modded USP Match.

- The weird looking black trapezoidal thing is a sight rail that bolts to the accessory rail. It was discontinued in 1996 (bad design, bolting aluminum to polymer didn't work out, it loosened up too much), and purely a collector piece.

- USP- Tactical barrel with threads/thread protector

- After .400 CorBon Barrel for high power loads

- 2 12 round mags, and 2 15 round mags... Thank you AWB suset.

I hang out on hkpro.com almost as much as acurazine...
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What kind of ammo do you guys use?

For FMJ/TMJ, I use Winchester white box or CCI Blazer for practice. For personal defense, Win Ranger or Federal (165 grain). Any suggestions?

Any luck with buying good quantities in bulk from WalMart in socal? It's either that or online.
buy from the duarte walmart. sometimes they run unadvertised specials and the blazer brass in .40 s&w is under $8 (9.97 or something).

i have the same win ranger for defensive purposes as well. i also have some federal (i can't remember the name) that i believe is now discontuned.
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Kenndy...Sick HK... wow...

Trance... go make some noise for me ...on saturday... that looks seriously comfy in ur mitt!

Nite... keep up the good work... lovin how you sat robocopboy down on the bench until he's ready... I will take a 21 yo with combat experience over a 18 yo wanna be psych major any day!
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Damn that looks nice Kennedy!
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Thought I would throw some pics up for the 1911 crowd... The Officers Model is for sale.







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That comp 1911 is mean looking... You shoot competitively with it? or bullfrogs?
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buy from the duarte walmart. sometimes they run unadvertised specials and the blazer brass in .40 s&w is under $8 (9.97 or something).
For ammo that cheap I may buy 2000 rounds of it! Thanks for the suggestion

We have crooks here in Orange County
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For ammo that cheap I may buy 2000 rounds of it! Thanks for the suggestion

We have crooks here in Orange County
yeah, the last time i went down there i bought all they had, 26 boxes or something. the blazer brass was on special too, 9.97 instead of the usual 11.97, so i bought the last three.

they also run specials on the 9mm wwb. i don't know how much they were, but the clerk said the last guy bought 26 cases (yes, 26k rounds.)
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That comp 1911 is mean looking... You shoot competitively with it? or bullfrogs?

If you mean the last two pics, which are a Springfiled Armory 1911 LW full size, thats a custom picatinny light rail under the frame.

Both of those guns were on-duty carry guns for my department. The full size was for uniform and later for raid gear-set, and the officer's model was for plainclothes/detective work.
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Nice!

Always loved the 1911's. Learned to shoot handgun on a 1911, and its been my favourite since.

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since we're playing show and tell now, what the hell. the 1911's:

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