New job . . . - AcuraZine - Acura Enthusiast Community

Notices

New job . . .

 
Old 06-16-2017, 08:35 PM
  #1  
Dan
Registered Member
Thread Starter
 
Dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: West Covina, CA
Age: 68
Posts: 3,761
Thanked 109 Times in 73 Posts
New job . . .

I see a new career for the Captain; You want fries with that?

USS Fitzgerald Collides With Merchant Vessel Off Japan : The Two-Way : NPR
Dan is online now  
Old 06-16-2017, 09:34 PM
  #2  
Senior Moderator
 
oo7spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 24,304
Thanked 4,280 Times in 3,078 Posts
oo7spy is offline  
Old 06-16-2017, 09:44 PM
  #3  
Chapter Leader
(Northeast Florida)
iTrader: (1)
 
gatrhumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Age: 39
Posts: 33,113
Thanked 1,103 Times in 738 Posts
Thoughts and prayers with the injured crew.
gatrhumpy is online now  
Old 06-19-2017, 09:44 AM
  #4  
Senior Moderator
Regional Coordinator
(Mid-Atlantic)
iTrader: (6)
 
97BlackAckCL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ShitsBurgh
Age: 37
Posts: 88,410
Thanked 2,938 Times in 2,083 Posts
It appears that the men died trying to save their fellow crew members

Last edited by 97BlackAckCL; 06-19-2017 at 03:51 PM.
97BlackAckCL is offline  
Old 06-19-2017, 10:44 AM
  #5  
Senior Moderator
 
oo7spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 24,304
Thanked 4,280 Times in 3,078 Posts
Save what ship?
oo7spy is offline  
Old 06-19-2017, 10:47 AM
  #6  
2006 RRP TL "The Comrade"
 
nist7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Honolulu
Age: 32
Posts: 3,121
Thanked 545 Times in 373 Posts
Damn RIP.

Any idea how the heck do these two giant ships collided?
nist7 is offline  
Old 06-19-2017, 01:33 PM
  #7  
Dan
Registered Member
Thread Starter
 
Dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: West Covina, CA
Age: 68
Posts: 3,761
Thanked 109 Times in 73 Posts
Originally Posted by nist7 View Post
Damn RIP.

Any idea how the heck do these two giant ships collided?
From the damaged area on each ship I would guess the Navy ship failed to yield.
Dan is online now  
Old 06-19-2017, 01:39 PM
  #8  
Senior Moderator
 
oo7spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 24,304
Thanked 4,280 Times in 3,078 Posts
Some people (like me) claim they get a lot of their news from Ramblings. With that in mind, this thread is a disappointment.
oo7spy is offline  
Old 06-19-2017, 03:29 PM
  #9  
Senior Moderator
 
oo7spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 24,304
Thanked 4,280 Times in 3,078 Posts
Here is the path of the cargo ship:


Although the details are unclear, they say the collision happened in the area that the ship turned south from traveling east (the first right angle on the bottom line coming in from the left). The container ship sustained damage on the port side and the destroyer sustained damage on the starboard side. If the collision happened after the turn, that could indicate a fault on the container ship turning into the destroyer's path instead of crossing it. If it happened after, it could be that was the resulting path of the collision. Either way, the container ship went back on course and only after half an hour turned around to go back near the collision site an hour later, and only then did they report the collision. The USS Fitzgerald lost all communications besides satellite phones because the communications room became flooded.

The seven dead were in their sleeping quarters which became flooded when the starboard side of the hull was penetrated below the surface of the water.
oo7spy is offline  
Old 06-21-2017, 06:10 PM
  #10  
Needs more Lemon Pledge
 
stogie1020's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Age: 46
Posts: 51,918
Thanked 1,725 Times in 1,036 Posts
I read online that the cargo ship was travelling without any running lights and with their transponder turned off...

Certainly the destroyer's radar would have seen the container ship, but I am curious why the container ship would be travelling without it's lights and transponder?
stogie1020 is offline  
Old 06-24-2017, 12:51 PM
  #11  
I am #76,361,211,935
 
underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Ottawa,Ontario
Posts: 1,014
Thanked 197 Times in 125 Posts
Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL View Post
It appears that the men died trying to save their fellow crew members
No, it sounds like the watertight doors were sealed with the crew members trapped in their
berthing spaces.

The bodies of the seven men who died were recovered by divers from flooded spaces sealed off to keep the ship from foundering, a wrenching decision by officers in the chaotic aftermath of the crash.
There should have been lookouts on watch on the port, starboard and stern of the destroyer Fitzgerald — sailors scanning the horizon with binoculars and reporting by headsets to the destroyer’s bridge. At 1:30 a.m. last Saturday, off the coast of Japan south of Tokyo, they could hardly have failed to see the 730-foot freighter ACX Crystal, stacked with more than 1,000 containers, as it closed in.

Radar officers working both on the bridge and in the combat information center below it should have spotted the freighter’s image on their screens, drawing steadily closer. And under standard protocol, the Fitzgerald’s captain, Cmdr. Bryce Benson, should have been awakened and summoned to the bridge to assure a safe passage long before the ships could come near each other.

But none of that happened.
*If* the captain of the Fitzgerald is allowed to keep his commission, he'll be commanding a desk
from now on, but that's a big "if". This rises to the level of gross negligence.

Originally Posted by 007spy
... If it happened after, it could be that was the resulting path of the collision. Either way, the container ship went back on course and only after half an hour turned around to go back near the collision site ..
And its possible (probable?) that nobody was awake on the container ship at the time ..

Steffan Watkins, an information technology security consultant who writes for Janes Intelligence on ship tracking, said the path of the Crystal, as posted from its Automatic Identification System, “looks like an automated course.” Instead of stopping so the crew could investigate what had just happened, the ship corrected its course and “kept accelerating” toward Tokyo, he said.

“It looks very much like the computer was driving,” he said.

But the fact that after more than 30 minutes the Crystal reversed course and returned to the accident scene suggests the captain or crew took control of the ship from the autopilot, Mr. Watkins said. “It took them 55 minutes to get back to the spot of the collision, and that’s when they called the Japanese Coast Guard,” he said.


Clusterfuck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/w...collision.html
underdog is offline  
Old 06-25-2017, 10:18 AM
  #12  
Banned
 
Saintor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: MTL, Canada
Age: 51
Posts: 2,906
Thanked 117 Times in 99 Posts
There is no constant radar monitoring around these high tech ships? They must have means to anticipate anything that looks like a mine, much more so a cargo ship.

Unless a technological glitch, the captain must take the blame
Saintor is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 08:29 AM
  #13  
I am #76,361,211,935
 
underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Ottawa,Ontario
Posts: 1,014
Thanked 197 Times in 125 Posts
Another US Navy ship collides with a civilian cargo ship - USS John S. McCain - 10 sailors missing

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/20/search-and-rescue-underway-after-uss-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-ship-near-strait-of-malacca.html

Geez, twice in a couple months!
underdog is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 09:11 AM
  #14  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
WTF is going on in the US Pacific Fleet?
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 09:28 AM
  #15  
Get Out Of The Left Lane!
 
NBP04TL4ME's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: SE Mass
Age: 52
Posts: 7,565
Thanked 896 Times in 767 Posts
Originally Posted by Legend2TL View Post
WTF is going on in the US Pacific Fleet?
Once is an accident - twice would lead me to believe a systemic problem with leadership. Too early to tell at this point but guessing the fallout with this latest incident will likely go above and beyond the leadership on the McCain.
NBP04TL4ME is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 09:48 AM
  #16  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
FWIW, since the start of 2017 in the US Pacific Fleet, there have been one run aground (Japan), and three collisions.
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 02:59 PM
  #17  
Registered Member
 
brian2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: NJ
Posts: 3,963
Thanked 811 Times in 533 Posts
that'll buff right out
brian2 is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 03:17 PM
  #18  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
Originally Posted by underdog View Post
Another US Navy ship collides with a civilian cargo ship - USS John S. McCain - 10 sailors missing

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/20/search-and-rescue-underway-after-uss-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-ship-near-strait-of-malacca.html

Geez, twice in a couple months!
It would not surprise me to see Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Swift replaced in a few months,
There's waaaaaaaaaaaay too many incidents in 8 months to pass off as coincidence.

http://www.cpf.navy.mil/leaders/scott-swift/
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 03:21 PM
  #19  
Needs more Lemon Pledge
 
stogie1020's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Age: 46
Posts: 51,918
Thanked 1,725 Times in 1,036 Posts
Military spending has been in decline for over 5 years. That has to have affected training budgets.
stogie1020 is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 03:35 PM
  #20  
Moderator
Regional Coordinator (Southeast)
 
CCColtsicehockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Mooresville, NC
Age: 32
Posts: 40,615
Thanked 2,405 Times in 1,705 Posts
This is crazy to have two big incidents in just a months time. Incredible things are going this wrong. Do they just grab people from McDonalds to fill these positions or something?
CCColtsicehockey is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 06:25 PM
  #21  
Needs more Lemon Pledge
 
stogie1020's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Age: 46
Posts: 51,918
Thanked 1,725 Times in 1,036 Posts
Several notable aircraft incidents recently, too. Training and readiness seem to be at a low...
stogie1020 is offline  
Old 08-21-2017, 10:09 PM
  #22  
Senior Moderator
 
oo7spy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 24,304
Thanked 4,280 Times in 3,078 Posts
I'm surprised no one updated this after the firings of the crew in the OP.
oo7spy is offline  
Old 08-23-2017, 08:07 AM
  #23  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
Navy removes commander of 7th Fleet following string of accidents

Originally Posted by Legend2TL View Post
It would not surprise me to see Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Swift replaced in a few months,
There's waaaaaaaaaaaay too many incidents in 8 months to pass off as coincidence.

Admiral Scott H. Swift | Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet
Well I guess I was right and wrong, thought the navy would remove a Pacific Fleet Admiral, but I guessed the wrong one.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/navy-relie...opstories.html
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 08-23-2017, 08:25 AM
  #24  
Registered Member
 
brian2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: NJ
Posts: 3,963
Thanked 811 Times in 533 Posts
I don't know what this signals, but I don't see how it would be failure of command. I guess someone has to take the fall.

I mean, it's a pretty basic idea if you're piloting a boat not to hit another effin boat. Do you really have to teach that?
brian2 is offline  
Old 08-23-2017, 09:02 AM
  #25  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
There have been three collision and one grounding in less than 8 months just in the Asia area for the US Navy.
That seems far higher than coincidence, I was not surprised at all that the commander of the fleet was fired just one month before retirement.
Still want to see the final investigation, but there's probably some leadership issues/problems and operation tempo/situational awareness delinquencies as well.
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 09-18-2017, 12:39 PM
  #26  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
U.S. Navy Fires Two Commanders After Deadly Sea Collisions in Asia

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-navy-f...155835032.html

Rear Admiral and Captain this time, expect some more firings in the future.
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 09-18-2017, 01:10 PM
  #27  
Senior Moderator
Regional Coordinator
(Mid-Atlantic)
iTrader: (6)
 
97BlackAckCL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ShitsBurgh
Age: 37
Posts: 88,410
Thanked 2,938 Times in 2,083 Posts
Thanks a lot Stunna!
97BlackAckCL is offline  
Old 09-18-2017, 07:15 PM
  #28  
Registered Member
 
oonowindoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 15,197
Thanked 2,458 Times in 1,714 Posts
I mean if this happens on I-10 during peak rush hours.... sure... But we are talking about 2 tiny boats in a huge ocean. and on top of that 1 of them is a Destroyer... that has military grade technology on board.... how hard is it NOT To hit each other?
If all failed, you see a ship coming your way, you shoot that motha fuka.

RIP to the soldiers...

If this is all it takes to take down 1 of our Destroyers, we should all be worried...
oonowindoo is offline  
Old 09-19-2017, 03:54 PM
  #29  
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
losiglow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Age: 37
Posts: 2,905
Thanked 695 Times in 489 Posts
On the positive side, we still have about 60 other missile destroyers. I'm wondering what's going on the right side though. Do we still have a Galleon in our Navy? And I'm guessing that little one is an old ironclad or something?

losiglow is offline  
Old 09-19-2017, 05:07 PM
  #30  
Needs more Lemon Pledge
 
stogie1020's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Age: 46
Posts: 51,918
Thanked 1,725 Times in 1,036 Posts
USS Constitution and the ???
stogie1020 is offline  
Old 09-19-2017, 05:25 PM
  #31  
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
losiglow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Age: 37
Posts: 2,905
Thanked 695 Times in 489 Posts
Wow. Didn't know that. She's a badass as well:

Constitution is most noted for her actions during the War of 1812 against the United Kingdom, when she captured numerous merchant ships and defeated five British warships: HMS Guerriere, Java, Pictou, Cyane, and Levant.
losiglow is offline  
Old 09-20-2017, 10:36 AM
  #32  
Senior Moderator
Regional Coordinator
(Mid-Atlantic)
iTrader: (6)
 
97BlackAckCL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ShitsBurgh
Age: 37
Posts: 88,410
Thanked 2,938 Times in 2,083 Posts
In case Jack Sparrow shows up and we need to take on the Black Pearl
97BlackAckCL is offline  
Old 09-20-2017, 11:10 AM
  #33  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
I saw that poster and thought there are still 5 Oliver Perry Class Frigates in the US Navy!
Pretty old and antiquated guided missile 70's frigates
Then saw the 2015 date and checked Wiki and all five were decommissioned later that year.

Last edited by Legend2TL; 09-20-2017 at 11:15 AM.
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 09-25-2017, 02:22 PM
  #34  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
^ hey the US Navy might be bringing back some recently decommissioned Perry frigates after all.

U.S. Navy Really Might Bring Back Old Frigates | War Is Boring
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 02-07-2019, 09:15 PM
  #35  
Alright, alright, alright
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 11,851
Thanked 1,602 Times in 1,050 Posts
Itís the dead of night, and the USS Fitzgerald is on a secret mission to .....

https://features.propublica.org/navy...crash-crystal/

Very long but extremely informative and full of details.


https://features.propublica.org/navy...-cause-mccain/

Also shows how the Secretary of the Navy led a pattern of new ships at the expense of keeping old ships maintained
Legend2TL is offline  
Old 02-10-2019, 11:05 AM
  #36  
Infiniti FX
 
1StGenCL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Age: 36
Posts: 9,106
Thanked 561 Times in 414 Posts
VERY good article and crazy how many issues the ship and crew had; majority of the issues, out of their hands. It's amazing to me that a ship like that had tape over buttons on it's radar system because they didn't work and even things such as email systems, didn't work. People working 22 hours and getting an hour of sleep, only to command the ship again for who knows how long, makes it amazing they didn't have more problems/crashes.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL View Post
https://features.propublica.org/navy...crash-crystal/

Very long but extremely informative and full of details.


https://features.propublica.org/navy...-cause-mccain/

Also shows how the Secretary of the Navy led a pattern of new ships at the expense of keeping old ships maintained
1StGenCL is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.