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Old 10-19-2017, 10:59 PM
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Netflix: The Punisher

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On episode 8.

It's okay.

Daredevil > Jessica Jones = Luke Cage > Punisher > The Defenders > Iron Fist
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:37 AM
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:42 AM
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I just finished it. I loved this one.
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Season 2 of Marvel’s The Punisher debuts exclusively on Netflix January 18.

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And cancelled.

Not unexpected.

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Netflix Has Cancelled 'The Punisher' And 'Jessica Jones,' Completing Its Marvel Extermination

Feb 18, 2019

We all knew this was coming, as the writing has been on the wall for quite some time now. Netflix has already cancelled Iron Fist, Luke Cage and Daredevil, and now has axed The Punisher, shortly after its second season, and Jessica Jones, shortly before its third season, which will still air despite this news.

When it was just Iron Fist and Luke Cage, there was some hope that maybe Netflix was trimming less-watched, critically dubious Marvel shows, but once they cancelled Daredevil, the flagship of the Netflix Marvel universe, after a stellar third season, it felt like The Punisher and Jessica Jones couldn’t possibly have a prayer.

The Punisher did not have an especially great second season (after a fantastic first), but Jessica Jones’ third season has not even aired yet so no one knows if it’s good or well-watched or anything. This is what it always was, Netflix separating itself from this Marvel deal for two reasons:
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  • Disney is creating what could be one of Netflix’s biggest competitors with its Disney+ streaming service. And they will be taking all their programming with them.
  • Netflix did not fully own its Marvel shows like it does so many of its other originals, so they were paying to make and promote them with the end result being far less profitable for them than with other programs. We’ve also seen random shows like American Vandal canceled for this very reason, despite being far less expensive.

Netflix has been diplomatic about all this, at least publicly. Here’s its concluding statement to Deadline about these shows after first singing their praises.

“We are grateful to Marvel for five years of our fruitful partnership and thank the passionate fans who have followed these series from the beginning.”
The fate of all five of these shows and the characters they contain is unclear. Logic would dictate that the obvious move would be for Disney to simply adopt a handful of these shows to continue on under the Disney+ banner. My idea was to renew Daredevil, The Punisher and then combine Iron Fist, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones into a “Heroes for Hire” show.

But the reality may be more complicated than that. We don’t know the exact terms of the Marvel deal, but from this statement, it’s clear that Netflix has the rights to these shows for “years to come.” Meaning, it’s possible that Disney simply cannot start making new seasons of these shows for as long as they remain on Netflix, even if Netflix isn’t making new seasons, as part of the terms of that deal.

And the other part of this is that Disney may simply not care to. We already know about upcoming Disney+ Marvel shows that include heavy MCU hitters like a Loki show and a Vision/Scarlett Witch show, all with their original actors. The Netflix shows, even at their best, were rarely acknowledged outside of Netflix, and never in the MCU directly. They were about as separate an entity as they could get, and after close to 10 seasons between five series plus a Defenders crossover, it seems like Disney could simply believe this corner of universe has runs its course.

Yet I think this is shortsighted, and underestimates fan love for some of these characters. Matt Murdoch, with three 13 episode seasons and a role in The Defenders, has seen more screentime than any single MCU movie character, even Iron Man, Captain America or Thor across all the films they’ve been in. Jessica Jones will hit that mark too once season 3 airs. The only Marvel characters that have seen more screen time than the Netflix crew at this point are the Agents of SHIELD cast members, with the #1 spot probably going to none other than Phil Coulson himself, appearing in six seasons of SHIELD plus a handful of the movies.

Even if these shows were lesser watched than the big blockbusters, I think it’s a shame to throw away 40 hours of character growth and development for Murdoch and Jones, or 25 hours for Frank Castle or Luke Cage. But I sort of doubt Disney sees it that way.

I don’t want to totally give up hope, but after this inevitable execution, the ball is in Disney’s court. But their hands may actually be tied in the wake of the original Netflix deal, and these characters may be gone from the MCU indefinitely.

Update: Marvel TV's Jeph Loeb has issued a letter to fans about the situation, including a rather snarky shot at Netflix, and possible hope for the future. Though no concrete plans are mentioned:

“Our Network partner may have decided they no longer want to continue telling the tales of these great characters... but you know Marvel better than that,” Loeb said. “As Matthew Murdock’s Dad once said, “The measure of a man is not how he gets knocked to the mat, it’s how he gets back up.”
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Finished Punsher S2. There was maybe three whole episodes worth of material in there, and they stretched it to 13 episodes..
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^Exactly my problem with Marvel shows
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:42 AM
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^Exactly my problem with Marvel shows
I didn't remember Daredevil dragging on like Punisher S2, and even Punisher S1 was faster paced than S2.

Other Marvel shows, I agree with you completely.

S2 just ate a big bag of dicks IMO.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:35 PM
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That's why DD was my favorite but I haven't seen S3 yet.
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Ended strong but they did stretch this out....
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