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Old 03-14-2011, 07:55 AM   #321
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:06 AM   #322
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I have to say in most of the videos and photos I have seen the Japanese people are stoic in their reactions to this disaster. Some seem to be going about their daily routines to the best of their ability, and those who can't are watching the destruction with a calm reserve and simply waiting for the opportunity to start rebuilding their lives.

No wailing in the streets, no mayhem, no reckless looting... Maybe I am missing something, but that is what I see.

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Just wait, many of these people have gone 3 days without food/water. They will soon reach the point of desperation if the situation does not improve. Another reason that there is not mass rioting is it seems that many of the affected areas are deserted, where did the people go?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...cued-fukushima

Japan tsunami survivor Hiromitsu Shinkawa found 10 miles out at sea

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A 60-year-old man has been found on the roof of his floating house nearly 10 miles out at sea, two days after the tsunami that devastated the north-east coast of Japan.

Hiromitsu Shinkawa must have resigned himself to his fate when he was swept away by the retreating tsunami that roared ashore in his home town of Minami Soma in Fukushima prefecture.

As the wave approached, Shinkawa took the fateful decision to return home to collect belongings. Minutes later he was out at sea clinging to a piece of the roof from his own home.

Incredibly, he was spotted by a maritime self-defence force destroyer taking part in the rescue effort as he clung to the wreckage with one hand and waved a self-made red flag with the other. He had been at sea for two days.

Reports said that on being handed a drink aboard the rescue boat, Shinkawa gulped it down and immediately burst into tears. His wife, with whom he had returned home as the tsunami approached, is still missing.

He was quoted as saying: "No helicopters or boats that came nearby noticed me. I thought that day was going to be the last day of my life."

Officials said Shinkawa was in good condition after being taken to hospital by helicopter.

"I ran away after I heard a tsunami was coming," he told Jiji Press. "But I turned back to fetch something from home and was swept away. I was rescued while hanging on to the roof of my house."

The self-defence forces said the good weather and calm waters had allowed Shinkawa to stay alive during his 48-hour drift.
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Is your resolution like 800x600 or something?
On a 24" monitor it takes up less than 1/3 on the screen.
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Old 03-14-2011, 09:37 AM   #326
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Monday's blast destroyed the containment building but the reactor is still intact. Japanese officials also said cooling systems have failed at a third reactor.
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How much in debt is Japan...? I wonder how badly this disaster will set them back...
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Honda's statement regarding the quake....

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Honda would like to express its deepest sympathy and condolences to the victims of The 2011 Off the Pacific Coast of Tohoku Earthquake in northeastern Japan and our sincere hopes for the earliest possible relief and recovery of the affected areas.

Honda operations

Considering the current situation of the nationwide recovery efforts in Japan, Honda has decided the following:

As of March 14, all production activities are suspended at the following Honda plants: Sayama Plant at Saitama Factory (Sayama, Saitama), Ogawa Plant (Ogawa-machi, Hiki-gun Saitama), Tochigi Factory (Moka, Tochigi), Hamamatsu Factory (Hamamatsu, Shizuoka) and Suzuka Factory (Suzuka, Mie).

From March 15 through 20, Honda will suspend all production activities at its plants listed above as well as at Kumamoto Factory (Ozu-machi, Kikuchi-gun, Kumamoto).

From March 14 through 20, Honda will suspend regular operations at all Honda facilities in the Tochigi area, where damage was more serious, (including Tochigi Factory, Honda R&D Co., Ltd. R&D Center (Tochigi) , Honda Engineering Co., Ltd., etc.), and focus on the recovery of each operation. Honda associates will not come to work during this time.

Aid for the victims of the earthquake



With the hope to contribute to the earliest possible relief and recovery of affected areas, Honda will provide the following aid:


300 million yen toward the relief and recovery effort

A total of 1,000 generators (gasoline-powered and home-use gas canister-powered), along with 5,000 gas canisters. Honda also will dispatch its staff to explain how to use the donated generators.

Electricity conservation and cooperation for the rolling blackout requested by the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry


Honda will cooperate to the electricity conservation efforts and the rolling blackout, prioritizing the relief and recovery of affected areas.


Recruiting activities

Honda decided the following regarding its recruiting activities so that victims of the earthquake can focus on recovery.


Prospective associates, who are scheduled to join the company in April, can choose to delay their first day of work by up to two months if they or their families are affected by the earthquake.

For those who have applied for next year's recruiting process starting in April of this year (associates who would join the company in April 2012) from the affected areas (six prefectures in Tohoku areas and Ibaraki prefecture), Honda will ensure that the testing/interviewing of those applicants will be conducted in June or later. More details will be posted on the recruiting section of the Honda website in April.
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Here's the news of the effect on Toyota and the other big producers...

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Toyota Motor Corp. (7203), the world’s largest carmaker, may lose output of at least 40,000 vehicles after Japan’s strongest earthquake damaged factories and crippled nuclear power plants, causing electricity shortages.

Toyota closed 12 plants in the nation through March 16, Shiori Hashimoto, a spokeswoman for the Toyota City, Japan-based company, said by phone. The manufacturer’s profit will be cut by 6 billion yen ($72 million) for each day of lost operations in Japan, while Nissan Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co. may each lose 2 billion yen a day, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. estimated.

Sony Corp. (6758) and Toshiba Corp. (6502) also shut plants following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, which police said may have killed more than 10,000 people. The disaster may trim 0.3 percent from Japan’s economy as power outages cut industrial production, Nomura Holdings Inc. estimated in a report.

“We don’t know how long it will take for manufacturers to return to normal operations, with the current situation at the nuclear power plants,” said Toshihiko Matsuno, a senior strategist at SMBC Friend Securities Co. in Tokyo. “If they can resume output, they can sell as the U.S. economy is signaling a recovery.”
Nissan, Honda

Nissan Motor Co., Japan’s second-largest carmaker, suspended operations at four plants until March 16 and at two other plants until March 18, the Yokohama-based company said today in a statement.

The automaker earlier said 2,300 new vehicles were damaged by tsunami surges in the wake of the 8.9-magnitude earthquake, the strongest ever recorded in Japan. Nissan doesn’t have an estimate of how much production may be lost, said Yuichi Nakagawa, a spokesman for the company.

Honda, the nation’s third-largest carmaker, will halt output through March 20, reducing output by an estimated 16,600 cars and trucks and 2,000 two-wheelers, said Tomoko Takamori, a spokeswoman for the Tokyo-based company.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., battling a possible meltdown at a nuclear reactor 220 kilometers (135 miles) north of Tokyo, planned rolling blackouts to conserve power. A second hydrogen explosion rocked the plant in Fukushima prefecture today, and the situation continues to be a concern, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said.
‘Panic Selling’

“This earthquake affected a wide area, and it’s likely that the economic impact will exceed the 20 trillion yen in damage sustained during the Kobe earthquake” of 1995, Economic and Fiscal Policy Minister Kaoru Yosano said.

Toyota fell 7.9 percent, the most since December 2008, to close at 3,310 yen in Tokyo trading, while Japan’s benchmark Nikkei 225 Stock Average dropped 6.2 percent to the lowest level since November. Nissan plunged 9.5 percent, and Honda declined 6.5 percent.

“It’s panic selling,” said Toshikazu Horiuchi, a market analyst at Cosmo Securities Co. in Tokyo. “No one knows the complete picture yet on how big the damage will be from the earthquake.”

Daihatsu Motor Co., 51 percent owned by Toyota, may lose production of 9,600 units as it closes factories through March 16, said Fumihiko Kondo, a spokesman for the Osaka-based carmaker.
Mitsubishi, Mazda

Mitsubishi Motors Corp. (7211) plans to resume production at its three Japan factories March 16 after a two-day halt, Yuki Murata, a spokesman for the Tokyo-based carmaker, said today.

“We don’t know how many cars we are going to lose” from the stoppage, Murata said. Domestic production totaled 660,104 vehicles in 2010, he said.

Mazda Motor Corp. (7261) will extend a production halt at four Japan plants until at least the night of March 16 due to a parts shortage, Ken Haruki, a spokesman for the Hiroshima-based carmaker, said by phone today. The company isn’t disclosing how much output it will lose, he said.

Hino Motors Ltd. (7205) said it planned a stoppage until at least March 16, and Hiromichi Suwa, a spokesman, said the company was trying to calculate the potential loss. Rival truckmaker Isuzu Motors Ltd. (7202) said it would stop output at its two Japan plants until March 18.

Japan’s automakers may be able to make up for lost output by using excess production capacity at unaffected plants and running assembly lines on overtime and during holidays, Nomura analyst Jiyun Konomi said in a report dated yesterday.

Tech Supply

“Capacity utilization at Japanese automakers’ plants in Japan is low,” Konomi wrote. “There does not appear to have been major damage to building or machinery and equipment” at Toyota and Nissan’s factories in the affected areas, he wrote.

The main risk to Japan’s manufacturing comes from the earthquake’s impact on infrastructure, rather than from direct damage to factories, Bhavtosh Vajpayee, head of technology research at CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets in Hong Kong, said in a report dated yesterday. The quake may trigger a supply shortage for electronic components including batteries and memory chips, Vajpayee said in the report.

“Closure of ports, damage to roads and electric power outages can do serious damage to the tech supply chain,” he wrote, adding that Japan is “critical” to the global supply in several electronics sectors.

Japan makes 44 percent of the world’s audiovisual equipment, 40 percent of electronic components, 19 percent of semiconductors and about 20 percent of all technology products, Vajpayee wrote.
Sony, Toshiba

Sony, Japan’s biggest exporter of consumer electronics, halted operations at 10 factories and two research centers today because of power outages and damages, said Mami Imada, a spokeswoman for the Tokyo-based company. The Tokyo-based company won’t disclose production capacity of the factories that were closed today, said Shinji Obana, a Sony spokesman. The company’s shares fell 9.1 percent in Tokyo trading.

Toshiba, which makes products ranging from memory chips to nuclear power plants, halted five factories due to power outages and closed one plant because of damage from the earthquake, the Tokyo-based manufacturer said.

Toshiba makes between 25 percent and 35 percent of the world’s NAND chips, used in smartphones and tablets, the CLSA report said. The company plunged 16 percent in Tokyo trading.

Canon Inc. (7751), the world’s largest maker of cameras, said it would suspend operations at eight production and development facilities in northern Japan. Canon shares fell 5.9 percent.

Panasonic Corp. (6752) stopped operations at factories making digital cameras, audio equipment, electronic materials and devices, said Akira Kadota, a spokesman for the Osaka-based company. The shares dropped 8.1 percent.
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This video is INSANE!!! Craziest video of Tsunami I've seen!

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This video is intense. I can't imagine seeing the aftermath of the destruction that took place yet alone standing and watching it happen right in front of you.
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hope its not a repost...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_835280.html

and this is why i stopped supporting 50 due his racist remarks and low class edumacationnnnnnn!
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<-Works for a company that makes simulators for nuclear and fossil power plants.

Just went over the situation with the reactors in our weekly meeting here at work. Our stocks have even dropped 10% because of what is going on over there with those.
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It's sad because it's true.
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Meltdown threat rises at Japanese nuclear plant

By ERIC TALMADGE and MARI YAMAGUCHI, AP 1 hour ago

SOMA, Japan Water levels dropped precipitously Monday inside a stricken Japanese nuclear reactor, twice leaving the uranium fuel rods completely exposed and raising the threat of a meltdown, hours after a hydrogen explosion tore through the building housing a different reactor.

Water levels were restored after the first decrease but the rods remained exposed late Monday night after the second episode, increasing the risk of the spread of radiation and the potential for an eventual meltdown.

The cascading troubles in the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant compounded the immense challenges faced by the Tokyo government, already struggling to send relief to hundreds of thousands of people along the country's quake- and tsunami-ravaged coast where at least 10,000 people are believed to have died.

Later, a top Japanese official said the fuel rods in all three of the most troubled nuclear reactors appeared to be melting.

Of all these troubles, the drop in water levels at Unit 2 had officials the most worried.

"Units 1 and 3 are at least somewhat stabilized for the time being," said Nuclear and Industrial Agency official Ryohei Shiomi "Unit 2 now requires all our effort and attention."

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It's sad because it's true.
truly a disgrace really
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Rest in peace to all those who perished and strength to those who have to carry on.



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Sorry to take that religious turn...but, no God would want a nation and all those people to suffer like this.
I know you're upset Yummy, but the difference between faith and absence of faith is fear / anger. If your foundation is strong, you will overcome. We have free will but spirituality is natural and hard to deny. We came from the earth and we'll return to the earth. Where the spirit goes is a mystery left only to our faith. Tragedies are not acts of God, but they will test our foundation. To say there is absence of god or higher being when a tragedy occurs is common. It's also common for others to embrace their spirituality and deepen their faith; to fill their foundation. I encourage the latter.

Without devoting yourself to a religion, you can strengthen your spirituality by helping out. Whether you donate your time, money, or talent. My father called the Japanese consulate letting them know he had a property in TX and on Guam that displaced families can stay. I'm donating money to the relief effort and being charitable to those in need locally. I'm also praying for those effected to have spiritual strength and guidance in these hard times.
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Rest in peace to all those who perished and strength to those who have to carry on.







I know you're upset Yummy, but the difference between faith and absence of faith is fear / anger. If your foundation is strong, you will overcome. We have free will but spirituality is natural and hard to deny. We came from the earth and we'll return to the earth. Where the spirit goes is a mystery left only to our faith. Tragedies are not acts of God, but they will test our foundation. To say there is absence of god or higher being when a tragedy occurs is common. It's also common for others to embrace their spirituality and deepen their faith; to fill their foundation. I encourage the latter.

Without devoting yourself to a religion, you can strengthen your spirituality by helping out. Whether you donate your time, money, or talent. My father called the Japanese consulate letting them know he had a property in TX and on Guam that displaced families can stay. I'm donating money to the relief effort and being charitable to those in need locally. I'm also praying for those effected to have spiritual strength and guidance in these hard times.
Well said, M...

And again, sorry to for the religion tangent...but, I do follow a faith. So, in times like this, I do pray and do what I can financially to help the people affected. But, my statement was really a charge to the principles of the other faith who's higher power apparently "loves" us. The book more or less states that He can control the peoples lives...He can interfere (i.e. Old Testament). My challenge back: Really? Let's go over to any major news site and look at some pictures.

And I'm not angry just because of an earthquake. We are faced with this everyday in other places. How about Libya? How about Africa? How about Haiti? How about Iraq?
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This link can give you a continuous update on the nuclear reactors over there:

http://www.nei.org/newsandevents/inf...n-that-region/
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Well said, M...

And again, sorry to for the religion tangent...but, I do follow a faith. So, in times like this, I do pray and do what I can financially to help the people affected. But, my statement was really a charge to the principles of the other faith who's higher power apparently "loves" us. The book more or less states that He can control the peoples lives...He can interfere (i.e. Old Testament). My challenge back: Really? Let's go over to any major news site and look at some pictures.

And I'm not angry just because of an earthquake. We are faced with this everyday in other places. How about Libya? How about Africa? How about Haiti? How about Iraq?
Glad to hear and definite
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Well said, M...

And again, sorry to for the religion tangent...but, I do follow a faith. So, in times like this, I do pray and do what I can financially to help the people affected. But, my statement was really a charge to the principles of the other faith who's higher power apparently "loves" us. The book more or less states that He can control the peoples lives...He can interfere (i.e. Old Testament). My challenge back: Really? Let's go over to any major news site and look at some pictures.

And I'm not angry just because of an earthquake. We are faced with this everyday in other places. How about Libya? How about Africa? How about Haiti? How about Iraq?
what faith do you follow where you can say there is no God?
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I was Catholic once.





What I follow now is irrelevant since I was more challenging the Christian faith of God. There's really only one religion out there that calls their god with a capital "G".
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I do think we are 'loved' but at the same time, many of us don't love each other... yet we seldom remind ourselves who we were molded after. We are more alike than different. We should help each other and not be complacent and detached. Something I battle with myself.
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Unhappy 1,000 bodies wash ashore in Japan: police



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Rescue teams frantically search for survivors in northeastern Japan as police estimate that more than 1,000 bodies may have washed ashore in the wake of the tsunami.

Rescue teams frantically searched for survivors in northeastern Japan on Monday as police estimated that more than 1,000 bodies may have washed ashore in the wake of Friday's tsunami.

Police in Miyagi Prefecture have aleady found several hundred bodies on beaches, the Japanese Broadcasting Corporation reported.

Japanese police have estimated that the death toll could exceed 10,000. The true scope of the disaster is not yet clear as many communities are still unreachable.

At least 1,887 people are confirmed dead and more than 15,000 are missing. The official death toll does not include the more than 2,000 bodies reportedly scattered across coastal towns.

The United Nations humanitarian affairs office said many hard-hit towns and villages are cut off by water from the tsunami that followed Friday's powerful quake.

More than 800 roads, dozens of bridges and seven railways are badly damaged, the UN agency said, further complicating efforts to get to affected communities.

In many areas, there is no running water, no power, and four- to five-hour waits for gasoline. There were reports that some communities were also dealing with shortages of food and medicine.

"People are surviving on little food and water. Things are simply not coming," said Hajime Sato, a government official in Iwate prefecture, one of the three hardest hit.

He said local authorities were also running out of body bags and coffins, while other communities said crematoriums couldn't keep up as more bodies were recovered.

"I'm giving up hope," said Hajime Watanabe, a 38-year-old construction worker who was the first in line at a closed gas station in Sendai, about 100 kilometres north of Soma.

"I never imagined we would be in such a situation. I had a good life before. Now we have nothing. No gas, no electricity, no water."

He said he was surviving with his family on 60 half-litre bottles of water his wife had stored for an emergency. He walked two hours to find a convenience store that was open and waited in line to buy dried ramen noodles.

Sayaka Matsumoto, a spokeswoman for the Japanese Red Cross, said extra medical teams have been dispatched to affected communities to try to help the hospitals.

'This is Japan's most severe crisis since the war ended 65 years ago.'-Naoto Kan, Japan's prime minister

Even with the extra help, she said many hospital staff were struggling to treat all the patients.

"The staff is very tired," she said Monday, adding that some hospitals were "overwhelmed" after the quake.

Matsumoto said the situation was further complicated by the powerful aftershocks rumbling through the area.

"Sometimes there is a tsunami alarm again, so the rescue process has to stop every time a tsunami alarm is raised," she said. "We just hope it stops."

The pulverized coast has been hit by hundreds of aftershocks since Friday. The latest was a 6.2-magnitude quake that was followed by a new tsunami scare Monday. As sirens wailed, soldiers abandoned their search operations and told residents of the devastated shoreline in Soma, the worst-hit town in Fukushima prefecture, to run to higher ground.

They barked out orders: "Find high ground! Get out of here!" Several soldiers were seen leading an old woman up a muddy hillside. The warning turned out to be a false alarm.

"This is Japan's most severe crisis since the war ended 65 years ago," Prime Minister Naoto Kan told reporters Sunday, adding that Japan's future would be decided by its response.

At least 1.4 million households had gone without water since the quake struck and some 1.9 million households were without electricity.
Nuclear concerns continue

The loss of electricity is being blamed partly on damage to at least three nuclear reactors [http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...r-031411.html] at the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant.

Water levels dropped precipitously Monday inside a stricken Japanese nuclear reactor, twice leaving the uranium fuel rods completely exposed and raising the threat of a meltdown, hours after a hydrogen explosion tore through the building housing a different reactor.

Water levels were restored after the first decrease, but the rods remained exposed late Monday night after the second episode, increasing the risk of the spread of radiation and the potential for an eventual meltdown.

The cascading troubles in the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant compounded the immense challenges faced by the Tokyo government, already struggling to send relief to hundreds of thousands of people along the country's quake- and tsunami-ravaged coast.

Quake-affected towns were also struggling to meet people's basic needs in the days following the quake, CBC's John Northcott said from Mito, a city about 100 kilometres north of Tokyo. He said city roads were in decent shape, but there were signs of the quake everywhere.

"This is the southernmost end of the northeastern section of Japan that was so badly hit last week," Northcott said.

"It is evident on every street that there has been an earthquake. Everything from broken water mains, to divots taken out of the roads, to smashed windows."

He said chunks of concrete had fallen off some buildings, while other structures looked as if they were about to collapse.

At least one Canadian was killed [http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...anadians.html] in the wake of the twin disasters. Japan's tourism agency said the safety of about 2,500 people who were traveling in quake-hit areas has not been confirmed.

Preliminary estimates put repair costs from Friday's disaster in the tens of billions of dollars, a huge blow for an already fragile economy that lost its place as the world's No. 2 to China last year.

Ninety-one countries have offered assistance, UN said that 15 international specialist teams have deployed to Japan to help with the recovery efforts.

Canadian officials have said they are ready to provide a range of assistance to Japan [http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...apan-aid.html], including nuclear expertise, and military personnel and equipment if needed.
What really moves me is how they can maintain this poise and dignity in all of this. I hate to say this, but having witnessed other disasters on TV, the fallout has been usually anarchy and chaos.

Japan's culture and upbringing has to be praised here...

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Just went over the situation with the reactors in our weekly meeting here at work. Our stocks have even dropped 10% because of what is going on over there with those.
What makes me mad about this, people do not understand the the plants survived the earthquake, which they were designed to do. It didn't survive the tsunami that came afterwards, which cut off the cooling systems. Two major catastrophes in a row, is not something that happens often.
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^ Correct. The plants survived the quake...it was the incoming tidal waves that put them into their present condition.
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What I follow now is irrelevant since I was more challenging the Christian faith of God. There's really only one religion out there that calls their god with a capital "G".
yeah I did the capital G out of habit. didn't mean to insinuate that would apply to you. and, I apologize for the hot question, I typed it too quickly.
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Oh nooes, stop the God talk, I stay out of those threads in R&P. And after last night I don't need it.

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It's funny...everytime I have some Christian zealot type person go rahrah, I just point out something like this and he/she has zippo to say.

"This is His will? Oh nice. Want me to send your house into the ocean after a nice earthquake? And oh, how about toss in some neighbors you once knew being washed up ashore..."
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Oh nooes, stop the God talk, I say out of those threads in R&P. And after last night I don't need it.
Sorry...I'm done. Said my bit...the God part came up in the prior page and I just had to say what I felt.

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It's funny...everytime I have some Christian zealot type person go rahrah, I just point out something like this and he/she has zippo to say.

"This is His will? Oh nice. Want me to send your house into the ocean after a nice earthquake? And oh, how about toss in some neighbors you once knew being washed up ashore..."
intolerance of other people's beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they may be, is no worse than the religious persecutions of the past for NOT believing. Allow people to believe what they want, and if they think praying to god will help in some way, it is not your perogative to question this or to deny them that form of consolation for dealing with such situations.
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What really moves me is how they can maintain this poise and dignity in all of this. I hate to say this, but having witnessed other disasters on TV, the fallout has been usually anarchy and chaos.

Japan's culture and upbringing has to be praised here...
I agree. It make me ask myself if I would show the same composure.
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intolerance of other people's beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they may be, is no worse than the religious persecutions of the past for NOT believing. Allow people to believe what they want, and if they think praying to god will help in some way, it is not your perogative to question this or to deny them that form of consolation for dealing with such situations.
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intolerance of other people's beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they may be, is no worse than the religious persecutions of the past for NOT believing. Allow people to believe what they want, and if they think praying to god will help in some way, it is not your perogative to question this or to deny them that form of consolation for dealing with such situations.
Who said I'm intolerant? I was Catholic before. And notice I said "zealot"...?
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lets take this to R&P, I'd actually like to talk about it. Yums, I think it would be good to move all the R&P posts over there into a new thread.
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lets take this to R&P, I'd actually like to talk about it. Yums, I think it would be good to move all the R&P posts over there into a new thread.
This has been hashed out many times in R&P....no need to have a "do over".
IIRC we had the old tsunami thread there a few years back.
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