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Old 04-19-2019, 12:50 PM
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FTP: Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department Edition


Police: PUT THE GUN DOWN!
*suspect puts down gun*
*police officer shoots him twice*
Suspect last words: you told me!
*suspect dies*
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Old 04-19-2019, 01:16 PM
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If he dropped it then why were they telling him to still drop it after they shot him? Silly Stunna trix are for kids
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If he dropped it then why were they telling him to still drop it after they shot him? ....

So what was he dropping on the ground when he was shot?
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I didn't see the gun drop before he was shot...
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About four minutes before police arrived at the scene, one of the two 911 callers said an armed man entered the fast food restaurant and tried to start a fight with employees.

“Can you please send somebody quickly? Please. He got a gun. ... He’s pointing it,” she said in the recording released by police.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3480301002/
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:06 PM
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So what was he dropping on the ground when he was shot?
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I didn't see the gun drop before he was shot...

Dropping =/= Dropped. Dropping .... in the process of being dropped.

What was in the process of being dropped on the ground when he was shot?



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And I was asking BlackAck, btw, who asks why they were still yelling to 'drop it' after he was shot. Something is dropped/falls to the ground at the time he is shot .... I'm asking BlackAck what that was if it wasn't the gun?

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Old 04-20-2019, 07:11 AM
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He had every opportunity to comply. He also wasn’t showing his hands and started moving them around.

He knew what was up. Suicide by The State.
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Old 04-21-2019, 04:37 PM
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..... He knew what was up. Suicide by The State.
Looked/acted nearly incoherent to me. Anyone know if there was/is a toxicology report?
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He was apparently coherent enough to walk into the restaurant, wave a gun and try to start a fight.....
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Old 04-21-2019, 07:47 PM
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He was apparently coherent enough to walk into the restaurant, wave a gun and try to start a fight.....

I don't know, but to me that doesn't sound like the act of a rational man.

In the video, he looks to me uncertain, perhaps confused, and slow to respond. Not trying to defend him or impugn the cop. I'm just asking if he was baked.
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I couldn't find a toxicology or autopsy report on him. I agree, it doesn't look like he is in full control of his facilities.

What I don't understand is how he was supposed to comply with the command and live, given that as soon as he handled the gun to set it down the officer shot him.
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I mean he chose a weird way to put the gun on the ground but it looked pretty obvious that he wasn't moving in a threatening manner. Looks to me like he wanted to make sure the gun was in sight while he put it on the ground but then the trigger happy cop gunned him down.

And i'm not picking sides on this one. He made the decision to walk into a public area and threaten people with a firearm of course the cops are gonna be on edge. Hopefully the riots aren't crazy like they were 2 years ago.
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Old 04-22-2019, 05:55 AM
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Yikes things are going to get interesting around here again. I agree I hope they are not as bad as 2 years ago.

That said he could of put the gun down when they had asked the first time. He also should have just chosen not to do it in the first place but hey punish the cop cause there is an idiot with a gun
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I watched it again. I don’t see how his hand movements were necessary to drop the weapon. If he were holding the weapon, he should have let go or moved his hands that were between his legs toward the ground. Instead he shifted both hands to his right hip.

If he wasn’t holding the gun, he should’ve shown them his hands like he was told 5 times.

Also, if he was that incoherent, the storyline that he responded to the officer doesn’t make sense.

I don’t see the officer as trigger happy or really at fault here, and you know I’ll quickly hold the FTP torch and pitchfork.

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Old 04-22-2019, 09:51 AM
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I watched it again. I don’t see how his hand movements were necessary to drop the weapon. If he were holding the weapon, he should have let go or moved his hands that were between his legs toward the ground. Instead he shifted both hands to his right hip. ......

There's some .... speculation? .... in the news reporting that the gun and/or hand was in his hoodie pocket. That he removed the gun from the pocket and was shot as he moved it from the pocket. You can see the reason for that assertion at about 1:51/1:52 as his left hand becomes visible from in front of him and his right hand 'appears' from his side .... between his body and the car door .... not from in front/between his legs.

Media reports that the gun was also held awkwardly .... perhaps by the barrel .... in a way that was not a threat. Again, at about 1:52, you can see why some may think that, but it's not really crystal clear.

Obviously the smart and correct to have done was drop the gun if he were holding it or show empty hands if he were not. That why I asked about whether he was stoned or not .... was his failure to respond correctly drug induced?

I'm not saying the officer did anything wrong. That is a different question.
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If he wasn't holding the gun though and it was in his pocket he would have been better to stand up and put his hand on top the car rather than retrieving it himself at all.
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If he wasn't holding the gun though and it was in his pocket he would have been better to stand up and put his hand on top the car rather than retrieving it himself at all.

I agree.



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..... Obviously the smart and correct to have done was [....] show empty hands if he were not. That why I asked about whether he was stoned or not .... was his failure to respond correctly drug induced? ......
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Fair enough I missed that part in your post.
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Can I just say..
Fuck you Stunna for trying to blow out our ear drums / headphones / speakers.
Eat a bag of dicks
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That officer was definitely in the camp of.. probably shouldn't be carrying a gun or policing anyone.
Now the deceased was definitely in the camp of.. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Case closed.
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^^^^ I'm still a little confused why she took control upon arrival when other cops were already on sight. Was she a supervisor or something?
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2 cops were so afraid for their lives that they come out with weapons drawn...meanwhile store clerk walks up next to him to try and talk to him. HMMMMMM
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I don't see anything wrong with what the officers did. Dude could have opened his hand and let the gun drop to the ground. He didn't, he swung his hand around so the gun was visible in his hand to the officers and he was moving it horizontally, not letting go of it.

That's how you get dead.

You can hit pause all you want and analyze the video for days, but the officers had exactly zero seconds to figure that one out, and IMO they got it right.
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Well he had to pull the gun out of his pocket and it seemed like he didn't want to make any sudden movements which is why he made the gun visible as he pulled it out of his jacket pocket.. I feel like if he would've humanized himself more we wouldn't be in this situation. The guy looks like he out of his mind off drugs and is incoherent which adds more stress on the feds.
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I don't see anything wrong with what the officers did. Dude could have opened his hand and let the gun drop to the ground. He didn't, he swung his hand around so the gun was visible in his hand to the officers and he was moving it horizontally, not letting go of it.

That's how you get dead.

You can hit pause all you want and analyze the video for days, but the officers had exactly zero seconds to figure that one out, and IMO they got it right.
The way I see it, the officers make contact using verbal commands to drop the gun, even though he didn't have the gun in his hands. That's the failure. They should have told him to show his hands and control the movements from there. If he did have the gun in his hands, like you said it takes a split second, then it was appropriate. But IMO, the female officer either operated blindly or inappropriately with improper commands.
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The way I see it, the officers make contact using verbal commands to drop the gun, even though he didn't have the gun in his hands. That's the failure. They should have told him to show his hands and control the movements from there. If he did have the gun in his hands, like you said it takes a split second, then it was appropriate. But IMO, the female officer either operated blindly or inappropriately with improper commands.
Agreed.

That was my reaction. Which is why I asked how he was supposed to comply with the command and live. And for the record I only watched it once at full speed.
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..... They should have told him to show his hands and control the movements from there. .....
This is what the local police chief says is expected in the general case.
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The first three commands to the man was "let me see your hands."
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I watched it again, and the officers probably could have been more clear in either telling him to show his hands (right hand is hidden) or lay on the ground or drop the gun. I also take a little issue with the movement and tactics employed (She didn;t need to take charge or cross the male officer's line of fire). Remember, the officers don't necessarily know the gun is in a pocket and has to be retrieved, they just know he has a gun, and therefore it's not unreasonable to ask someone you think is holding a gun to drop said gun. In this situation, the bad guy, who appears whacked out of his mind, thought it best to retrieve said gun and maybe try to drop it (we really don't know, but it seems likely). They are tough circumstances, but other than designating ONE officer to issue "hands up" verbal commands only, for clarity, I am not sure what the officers should have done instead.

People with a strong desire to survive this scenario would put their hands high in the air and say loudly "the gun is in my right pocket" and await further instructions.
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I watched it again, and the officers probably could have been more clear in either telling him to show his hands (right hand is hidden) or lay on the ground or drop the gun. I also take a little issue with the movement and tactics employed (She didn;t need to take charge or cross the male officer's line of fire). Remember, the officers don't necessarily know the gun is in a pocket and has to be retrieved, they just know he has a gun, and therefore it's not unreasonable to ask someone you think is holding a gun to drop said gun. In this situation, the bad guy, who appears whacked out of his mind, thought it best to retrieve said gun and maybe try to drop it (we really don't know, but it seems likely). They are tough circumstances, but other than designating ONE officer to issue "hands up" verbal commands only, for clarity, I am not sure what the officers should have done instead.

People with a strong desire to survive this scenario would put their hands high in the air and say loudly "the gun is in my right pocket" and await further instructions.
Pretty much the entire story here in my opinion. He was either on something so much he couldn't or wanted to be confrontational and not compliant until the last minute and well then he moved to fast.
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Moved too fast? It didn’t look to me like the guy really knew where he was.
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Your right fast is a wrong choice for the word but I still question his movements to the point I am still not sure they didn't make the right decision considering he wasn't co-operating you had no idea what his intentions were.
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Also there was a statement at one point released that the full video might be made available instead of just that 2min clip. Anyone seen anything about it being released yet?
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Moved too fast? It didn’t look to me like the guy really knew where he was.
I think a better description would be that he failed to move deliberately and in a manner designed to preserve his life while in the midst of a situation where getting shot was likely.
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I think a better description would be that he failed to move deliberately and in a manner designed to preserve his life while in the midst of a situation where getting shot was likely.
There are people who lack that ability even under the best of circumstances.
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I think a better description would be that he failed to move deliberately and in a manner designed to preserve his life while in the midst of a situation where getting shot was likely.
This is what I was getting at. Better said Stogie.

Simpling talking through what he was going to do when he decided to take it out of his pocket would have been beneficial too I expect.
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Man, given stogie’s response and mine in an FTP thread, I feel we’ve entered some kind of Twilight Zone within Ramblings.
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That guy was dumb as fuck..
Like I said.. whatever stupid game he was playing or however he thought it would go down.. the game won.. he lost all his coins and all his lives.
Game Over.
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