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Old 09-14-2018, 08:51 PM
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Thanks for the update #1 STUNNA. This is disgusting. I didn't even see the smear coming because it was clear to me that Botham was the victim here. Guess I'm naive. I found a BBC article about this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45525275
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Now I've seen everything. STUNNA is actually supporting someone who believed in God. Anything for a platform, huh, STUNNA ?
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:22 PM
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I see a lot of hype and a lot less facts. Where is the toxicology report? Is it possible they confirmed their employee had a drug habit and were ruling out him as a supplier?

It has terrible optics, but that doesn’t mean we know the PD intentions. The police also didn’t “report” this. They filed it and journalists reported it. Putting facts into an investigation report typically doesn’t count as smearing.

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Stogie, how many shooting/homicide scenes were you on where the police didn't search the area?

Has anyone seen the report? Do you at all wonder why none of the MSM has posted a link to the report?

And from what little research I've done, which is a lot more than STUNNA, a judge released the report (probably at the request of the MSM), not the DPD...
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True about the toxicology report. From the Dallas News:

Blood was taken from Guyger, 30, to test for drugs and alcohol. Similar tests are conducted during autopsies. The results have not been made public, and the tests may not yet be completed.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...-officials-say

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Old 09-14-2018, 10:38 PM
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I see a lot of hype and a lot less facts. Where is the toxicology report?
You mean the one on Jean which quite likely may find THC in his system?

Or do you mean the one requested for herself by Guyer at the scene?

Also, for those of you just sucking the MSM teat rather than bothering to do a little research, the dope was in plain site on his kitchen counter along with a grinder, yet the DPD followed procedure even though they already knew what was on site.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:11 PM
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nfnsquared, she shot the guy and it seems clear (with what info is currently available) that the guy did not pose a lethal threat to her. It doesn't matter if he had weed, stolen art, or a buck he took out of season on the counter. She shot him and he doesn't seem to have really been posing any lethal threat to her.

This is ignoring the fact that her entrance into the apartment, while described as accidental, was unnecessary and probably against DPD training for finding a suspicious open-door. Generally (on duty), one would call for another officer and then systematically clear the residence. I think the issue of her thinking it was HER apartment, and WTF is going on in HER apartment, may have contributed to her deciding to enter alone.
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020 View Post
nfnsquared, she shot the guy and it seems clear (with what info is currently available) that the guy did not pose a lethal threat to her. It doesn't matter if he had weed, stolen art, or a buck he took out of season on the counter. She shot him and he doesn't seem to have really been posing any lethal threat to her.

This is ignoring the fact that her entrance into the apartment, while described as accidental, was unnecessary and probably against DPD training for finding a suspicious open-door. Generally (on duty), one would call for another officer and then systematically clear the residence. I think the issue of her thinking it was HER apartment, and WTF is going on in HER apartment, may have contributed to her deciding to enter alone.


nfn, you stupid racist twat waffle.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared View Post
You mean the one on Jean which quite likely may find THC in his system?

Or do you mean the one requested for herself by Guyer at the scene?
At least Guyger had the option to request one. Botham, not so much.
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Old 09-16-2018, 04:20 PM
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... It doesn't matter if he had weed, stolen art, or a buck he took out of season on the counter...
Where did I remotely imply that that mattered?
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared View Post
Where did I remotely imply that that mattered?
ANY discussion about what he was or was not doing in his apartment prior to her entering, unless it was her stated foundation for probable cause (along with exigent circumstances requiring immediate action), is totally irrelevant.

You mentioned a toxicology report for him, what was found on his counter-tops, etc...
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Thank you, Jefford.
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Originally Posted by stogie1020 View Post
ANY discussion about what he was or was not doing in his apartment prior to her entering, unless it was her stated foundation for probable cause (along with exigent circumstances requiring immediate action), is totally irrelevant.

You mentioned a toxicology report for him, what was found on his counter-tops, etc...
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared View Post
You mean the one on Jean which quite likely may find THC in his system?

Or do you mean the one requested for herself by Guyer at the scene?

Also, for those of you just sucking the MSM teat rather than bothering to do a little research, the dope was in plain site on his kitchen counter along with a grinder, yet the DPD followed procedure even though they already knew what was on site.
Read what I said.. ^^^^

I made zero claim that dope has any bearing on the case. I'm pointed out that the claims by Jean's family that the DPD targeted him by listing dope in the search warrant is total bullshit. They weren't executing a warrant to search for drugs in an effort to find something at the scene to discredit Jean, the drugs were already in plain site. It's just a fact of the case.

And again, it wasn't the DPD that released the report. A judge released it, and I'll guarantee that the report was released due to a request by the press.

So, the claims made by Jean's attorney and family about the DPD making a concerted effort to discredit him by searching for drugs and releasing the report are total bullshit.

And Stogie, you still haven't answered my question.....
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Old 09-18-2018, 08:26 AM
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Old 09-18-2018, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared View Post
Read what I said.. ^^^^

I made zero claim that dope has any bearing on the case. I'm pointed out that the claims by Jean's family that the DPD targeted him by listing dope in the search warrant is total bullshit. They weren't executing a warrant to search for drugs in an effort to find something at the scene to discredit Jean, the drugs were already in plain site. It's just a fact of the case.

And again, it wasn't the DPD that released the report. A judge released it, and I'll guarantee that the report was released due to a request by the press.

So, the claims made by Jean's attorney and family about the DPD making a concerted effort to discredit him by searching for drugs and releasing the report are total bullshit.

And Stogie, you still haven't answered my question.....
Perhaps the problem is that I have no clue what you were saying/asking...
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared View Post
Stogie, how many shooting/homicide scenes were you on where the police didn't search the area?..
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Old 09-18-2018, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared View Post
^^^^^^^^
CLING CLING CLING

such a moron.
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared View Post
You mean the one on Jean which quite likely may find THC in his system?

Or do you mean the one requested for herself by Guyer at the scene?

Also, for those of you just sucking the MSM teat rather than bothering to do a little research, the dope was in plain site on his kitchen counter along with a grinder, yet the DPD followed procedure even though they already knew what was on site.
So, what exactly is the point you are trying to make with this post?

Please, enlighten us, since no one else seems to be able to determine what you are trying to say (and we may even agree with it, we just can't tell!).

and don't be dim, of course they search the area on a homicide scene.
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Oh good grief, did you just totally gloss over post #55?

And then post #58.
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Fired. Yesterday, iirc.

Some say, " ", others say the chief bowed to political pressure.
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Fired. Yesterday, iirc.

Some say, " ", others say the chief bowed to political pressure.
She was charged with a Felony. Not sure how the PD could justify keeping her after that.
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Old 09-25-2018, 05:39 PM
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She was charged with a Felony. Not sure how the PD could justify keeping her after that.
That's what they said. As well as conduct the reflects poorly on the dept and officer.
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That's what they said. As well as conduct the reflects poorly on HUMANITY.
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It’s also apparent she isn’t capable of handling the responsibility of carrying a lethal weapon (at least to the level required of LE). I don’t celebrate her termination. I think it’s right because I would consider it reckless to continue employing her.

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Old 09-25-2018, 07:46 PM
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Itís also apparent she isnít capable of handling the responsibility of carrying a lethal weapon (at least to the level required of LE). I donít celebrate her termination. I think itís right because I would consider it reckless to continue employing her.
Not true. She handled it very well, and was quite effective with it.

Her judgement as to WHEN to use it, though....
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Is t it amazing how the same thing can be said with so much contradiction?
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She couldn't even handle an electronic key; if they key don't fit, you have the wrong apartment, you twit. Agree with oo7spy; firing her was appropriate. No reason to celebrate though, as the root of the problem is in officer training.

Still no word on the results of the blood tests?
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She was charged with a Felony. Not sure how the PD could justify keeping her after that.
I always thought standard procedure for that was suspension with pay






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I always thought standard procedure for that was suspension with pay






Lol, I know you jest, but honestly, if there were only an investigation, I believe you would probably be correct. Since a Grand jury has seen fit to indict, I think the department had no choice but to terminate employment. In addition to "conduct unbecoming of an officer", I am sure there is some clause in the DPD employment agreement that says you will/may be terminated if you are indicted for a felony charge.
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...Since a Grand jury has seen fit to indict..
Haven't heard that....

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Haven't heard that....
My mistake. Charged, not indicted.
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My mistake. Charged, not indicted.
Now she is.

https://fox2now.com/2018/11/30/dalla...ment-indicted/

A police officer who claimed she killed a Dallas man in his own apartment in the mistaken belief that he was in her home has been indicted on a murder charge, according to a clerk with the Dallas County court.
I would think it will go back to manslaughter in the end. Great of the news article to let us know her ethnicity, though

Guyger, who is white, was off-duty when she encountered Jean, a 26-year-old unarmed black man, in his apartment on September 6, police said.
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Great of the news article to let us know her ethnicity, though
Do you not think the whole "white cop/black suspect" plays into this scenario? I hate to say, but I find it relevant.
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Anyone seen a toxicology report on her or the victim?
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Why the fuck does the guy who was shot require a toxicology report, for any of this?

Even if he had a kilo of cocaine in his system, it still doesnít mean he shouldíve been killed.

Doing drugs is illegal. Being high is not illegal.

Then again, Iím not sure why a toxicology report would matter whatsoever in this scenario. Maybe nfnsquared can tell us about all the years he spent working as a forensic investigator...
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Because if he was high, how does he know he was in the right apartment when he got himself shot?

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I think a toxicology screen is pretty standard in ANY officer involved shooting (for all parties). The officer might say that the victim was acting like a drug crazed maniac, but a negative toxicology screen could show that he was sober. It works both ways.
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