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bin Laden Tape...

I bolded the parts that are the most important in my opinion:


Transcript of bin Laden video tape

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The following is the English translation of a videotape showing Osama bin Laden discussing the Sept. 11 attacks with friends, as supplied by the Pentagon:


(Transcript and annotations independently prepared by George Michael, translator, Diplomatic Language Services; and Dr. Kassem M. Wahba, Arabic language program coordinator, School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University. They collaborated on their translation and compared it with translations done by the U.S. government for consistency. There were no inconsistencies in the translations.)

In mid-November, Usama Bin Laden spoke to a room of supporters, possibly in Qandahar, Afghanistan. These comments were video taped with the knowledge of Bin Laden and all present.

Note: The tape is approximately one hour long and contains three different segments: an original taping of a visit by some people to the site of the downed U.S. helicopter in Ghazni province (approximately 12 minutes long); and two segments documenting a courtesy visit by Bin Laden and his lieutenants to an unidentified Shaykh, who appears crippled from the waist down. The visit apparently takes place at a guesthouse in Qandahar. The sequence of the events is reversed on the tape-the end of his visit is in the beginning of the tape with the helicopter site visit in the middle and the start of the Usama bin Laden visit beginning approximately 39 minutes into the tape. The tape is transcribed below according to the proper sequence of events.
Due to the quality of the original tape, it is NOT a verbatim transcript of every word spoken during the meeting, but does convey the messages and information flow.

EDITOR’S NOTE: 39 minutes into tape, first segment of the bin Laden meeting, begins after footage of helicopter site visit

Shaykh: (...inaudible...) You have given us weapons, you have given us hope and we thank Allah for you. We don’t want to take much of your time, but this is the arrangement of the brothers. People now are supporting us more, even those ones who
did not support us in the past, support us more now. I did not want to take that much of your time. We praise Allah, we praise Allah. We came from Kabul. We were very pleased to visit. May Allah bless you both at home and the camp. We asked the driver to take us, it was a night with a full moon, thanks be to Allah. Believe me it is not in the country side. The elderly...everybody praises what you did, the great action you did, which was first and foremost by the grace of Allah. This is the guidance of Allah and the blessed fruit of jihad.
UBL: Thanks to Allah. What is the stand of the Mosques there (in Saudi Arabia)?
Shaykh: Honestly, they are very positive. Shaykh Al-Bahrani (phonetic) gave a good sermon in his class after the sunset prayers. It was videotaped and I was supposed to carry it with me, but unfortunately, I had to leave immediately.
UBL: The day of the events?
Shaykh: At the exact time of the attack on America, precisely at the time. He (Bahrani) gave a very impressive sermon. Thanks be to Allah for his blessings. He (Bahrani) was the first one to write at war time. I visited him twice in Al-Qasim.
UBL: Thanks be to Allah.
Shaykh: This is what I asked from Allah. He (Bahrani) told the youth: “You are asking for martyrdom and wonder where you should go (for martyrdom)?” Allah was inciting them to go. I asked Allah to grant me to witness the truth in front of the unjust ruler. We ask Allah to protect him and give him the martyrdom, after he issued the first fatwa. He was detained for interrogation, as you know. When he was called in and asked to sign, he told them, “don’t waste my time, I have another fatwa. If you want me, I can sign both at the same time.”
UBL: Thanks be to Allah.
Shaykh: His position is really very encouraging. When I paid him the first visit about a year and half ago, he asked me, “How is Shaykh Bin-Ladin?” He sends you his special regards. As far as Shaykh Sulayman ‘Ulwan is concerned, he gave a beautiful fatwa, may Allah bless him. Miraculously, I heard it on the Quran radio station. It was strange because he (‘Ulwan) sacrificed his position, which is equivalent to a director. It was transcribed word-by-word. The brothers listened to it in detail. I briefly heard it before the noon prayers. He (‘Ulwan) said this was jihad and those people were not innocent people (World Trade Center and Pentagon victims). He swore to Allah. This was transmitted to Shaykh Sulayman Al ((‘Umar)) Allah bless him.
UBL: What about Shaykh Al-((Rayan))?
Shaykh: Honestly, I did not meet with him. My movements were truly limited.
UBL: Allah bless you. You are welcome.
Shaykh: (Describing the trip to the meeting) They smuggled us and then I thought that we would be in different caves inside the mountains so I was surprised at the guest house and that it is very clean and comfortable. Thanks be to Allah, we also learned that this location is safe, by Allah’s blessings. The place is clean and we are very comfortable.
UBL: (...Inaudible...) when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse. This is only one goal; those who want people to worship the lord of the people, without following that doctrine, will be following the doctrine of Muhammad, peace be upon him.
(UBL quotes several short and incomplete Hadith verses, as follows):
“I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad.”
“Some people may ask: why do you want to fight us?”
“There is an association between those who say: I believe in one god and Muhammad is his prophet, and those who don’t (...inaudible...)
“Those who do not follow the true fiqh. The fiqh of Muhammad, the real fiqh. They are just accepting what is being said at face value.”
UBL: Those youth who conducted the operations did not accept any fiqh in the popular terms, but they accepted the fiqh that the prophet Muhammad brought. Those young men (...inaudible...) said in deeds, in New York and Washington, speeches that overshadowed all other speeches made everywhere else in the world. The speeches are understood by both Arabs and non-Arabs-even by Chinese. It is above all the media said. Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio who owns a school in America say: “We don’t have time to keep up with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to learn about Islam.” This event made people think (about true Islam) which benefited Islam greatly.
Shaykh: Hundreds of people used to doubt you and few only would follow you until this huge event happened. Now hundreds of people are coming out to join you. I remember a vision by Shaykh Salih Al-((Shuaybi)). He said: “There will be a great hit and people will go out by hundreds to Afghanistan.” I asked him (Salih): “To Afghanistan?” He replied, “Yes.” According to him, the only ones who stay behind will be the mentally impotent and the liars (hypocrites). I remembered his saying that hundreds of people will go out to Afghanistan. He had this vision a year ago. This event discriminated between the different types of followers.
UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.
Shaykh: Allah be praised.
UBL: We were at (...inaudible...) when the event took place. We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on. It was 5:30 p.m. our time. I was sitting with Dr. Ahmad Abu-al-((Khair)). Immediately, we heard the news that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. We turned the radio station to the news from Washington. The news continued and no mention of the attack until the end. At the end of the newscast, they reported that a plane just hit the World Trade Center.
Shaykh: Allah be praised.
UBL: After a little while, they announced that another plane had hit the World Trade Center. The brothers who heard the news were overjoyed by it.

Shaykh: I listened to the news and I was sitting. We didn’t...we were not thinking about anything, and all of a sudden, Allah willing, we were talking about how come we didn’t have anything, and all of a sudden the news came and everyone was overjoyed and everyone until the next day, in the morning, was talking about what was happening and we stayed until four o’clock, listening to the news every time a little bit different, everyone was very joyous and saying “Allah is great,” “Allah is great,” “We are thankful to Allah,” “Praise Allah.” And I was happy for the happiness of my brothers. That day the congratulations were coming on the phone non-stop. The mother was receiving phone calls continuously. Thank Allah. Allah is great, praise be to Allah.
(Quoting the verse from the Quran)
Shaykh: “Fight them, Allah will torture them, with your hands, he will torture them. He will deceive them and he will give you victory. Allah will forgive the believers, he is knowledgeable about everything.”
Shaykh: No doubt it is a clear victory. Allah has bestowed on us...honor on us...and he will give us blessing and more victory during this holy month of Ramadan. And this is what everyone is hoping for. Thank Allah America came out of its caves. We hit her the first hit and the next one will hit her with the hands of the believers, the good believers, the strong believers. By Allah it is a great work. Allah prepares for you a great reward for this work. I’m sorry to speak in your presence, but it is just thoughts, just thoughts. By Allah, who there is no god but him. I live in happiness, happiness...I have not experienced, or felt, in a long time. I remember, the words of Al-Rabbani, he said they made a coalition against us in the winter with the infidels like the Turks, and others, and some other Arabs. And they surrounded us like the days...in the days of the prophet Muhammad. Exactly like what’s happening right now. But he comforted his followers and said, “This is going to turn and hit them back.” And it is a mercy for us. And a blessing to us. And it will bring people back. Look how wise he was. And Allah will give him blessing. And the day will come when the symbols of Islam will rise up and it will be similar to the early days of Al-Mujahedeen and Al-Ansar (similar to the early years of Islam). And victory to those who follow Allah. Finally said, if it is the same, like the old days, such as Abu Bakr and Othman and Ali and others. In these days, in our times, that it will be the greatest jihad in the history of Islam and the resistance of the wicked people.
Shaykh: By Allah my Shaykh. We congratulate you for the great work. Thank Allah.

Tape ends here
Second segment of Bin Laden’s visit, shows up at the front of the tape
UBL: Abdallah Azzam, Allah bless his soul, told me not to record anything (...inaudible...) so I thought that was a good omen, and Allah will bless us (...inaudible...). Abu-Al-Hasan Al-((Masri)), who appeared on Al-Jazeera TV a couple of days ago and addressed the Americans saying: “If you are true men, come down here and face us.” (...inaudible...) He told me a year ago: “I saw in a dream, we were playing a soccer game against the Americans. When our team showed up in the field, they were all pilots!” He said: “So I wondered if that was a soccer game or a pilot game? Our players were pilots.” He (Abu-Al-Hasan) didn’t know anything about the operation until he heard it on the radio. He said the game went on and we defeated them. That was a good omen for us.
Shaykh: May Allah be blessed.
Unidentified Man Off Camera: Abd Al Rahman Al-(Ghamri) said he saw a vision, before the operation, a plane crashed into a tall building. He knew nothing about it.
Shaykh: May Allah be blessed!
Sulayman ((Abu Guaith)): I was sitting with the Shaykh in a room, then I left to go toanother room where there was a TV set. The TV broadcasted the big event. The scene was showing an Egyptian family sitting in their living room, they exploded with joy. Do you know when there is a soccer game and your team wins, it was the same expression of joy. There was a subtitle that read: “In revenge for the children of Al Aqsa’, Usama Bin Ladin executes an operation against America.” So I went back to the Shaykh (meaning UBL) who was sitting in a room with 50 to 60 people. I tried to tell him about what I saw, but he made gesture with his hands, meaning: “I know, I know…”
UBL: He did not know about the operation. Not everybody knew (...inaudible...). Muhammad ((Atta)) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qa’ida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group.
Shaykh: A plane crashing into a tall building was out of anyone’s imagination. This was a great job. He was one of the pious men in the organization. He became a martyr. Allah bless his soul.

Shaykh (Referring to dreams and visions): The plane that he saw crashing into the building was seen before by more than one person. One of the good religious people has left everything and come here. He told me, “I saw a vision, I was in a huge plane, long and wide. I was carrying it on my shoulders and I walked from the road to the desert for half a kilometer. I was dragging the plane.” I listened to him and I prayed to Allah to help him. Another person told me that last year he saw, but I didn’t understand and I told him I don’t understand. He said, “I saw people who left for jihad...and they found themselves in New York...in Washington and New York.” I said, “What is this?” He told me the plane hit the building. That was last year. We haven’t thought much about it.
But, when the incidents happened he came to me and said, “Did you see...this is strange.” I have another man...my god...he said and swore by Allah that his wife had seen the incident a week earlier. She saw the plane crashing into a building...that was
unbelievable, my god.
UBL: The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn’t know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.
UBL: (...inaudible...) then he said: Those who were trained to fly didn’t know the others. One group of people did not know the other group. (...inaudible...) (Someone in the crowd asks UBL to tell the Shaykh about the dream of ((Abu-Da’ud)).

UBL: We were at a camp of one of the brother’s guards in Qandahar. This brother belonged to the majority of the group. He came close and told me that he saw, in a dream, a tall building in America, and in the same dream he saw Mukhtar teaching them
how to play karate. At that point, I was worried that maybe the secret would be revealed if everyone starts seeing it in their dream. So I closed the subject. I told him if he sees another dream, not to tell anybody, because people will be upset with him. (Another person’s voice can be heard recounting his dream about two planes hitting a big building).
UBL: They were overjoyed when the first plane hit the building, so I said to them: be patient.
UBL: The difference between the first and the second plane hitting the towers was twenty minutes. And the difference between the first plane and the plane that hit the Pentagon was one hour.
Shaykh: They (the Americans) were terrified thinking there was a coup.
(Note: Ayman Al-Zawahri says first he commended UBL’s awareness of what the media is saying. Then he says it was the first time for them (Americans) to feel danger coming at them.)

UBL (reciting a poem):I witness that against the sharp blade
They always faced difficulties and stood together...
When the darkness comes upon us and we are bit by a
Sharp tooth, I say...
“Our homes are flooded with blood and the tyrant
Is freely wandering in our homes”...
And from the battlefield vanished
The brightness of swords and the horses...
And over weeping sounds now
We hear the beats of drums and rhythm…
They are storming his forts
And shouting: “We will not stop our raids
Until you free our lands”...
Bin Laden visit footage complete. Footage of the visit to the helicopter site follows the poem.
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Old 12-13-2001, 11:50 AM
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Well, I am still of the opinion that if they hate us so much, then let us at least give them something worth hating. Let's continue to kill them. let us continue to strangle them to death. I feel no pity when kiil them. and just as they did on 9/11, we too should celebrate and hoot with joy every time a daisycutter bomb falls on their turbans. In fact, we should drop a daisy cuuter for every victim that is dead or missing.
Yes, i know I'm blowing steam but this angers me. I want them killed. period.
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Originally posted by shockboltthrower
Well, I am still of the opinion that if they hate us so much, then let us at least give them something worth hating. Let's continue to kill them. let us continue to strangle them to death. I feel no pity when kiil them. and just as they did on 9/11, we too should celebrate and hoot with joy every time a daisycutter bomb falls on their turbans. In fact, we should drop a daisy cuuter for every victim that is dead or missing.
Yes, i know I'm blowing steam but this angers me. I want them killed. period.

I just did a 180 degree on my opinion of Israel... Lets give them everythign thay want, so they can annihilate their enemys who are ours as well.
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Well, you know what?! It's great the way this war is turning out, because they themselves have proven that 'allah' (God) is NOT on their side. How many times have they stated that Allah will prtect them and will help them with a victory against the 'infidels'? Well, who appears to have God's help now? Definitely not the Taliban nor Al Qaeda! Most Muslim leaders have since 'joined' the infidels and they then were referred to as inferior by bin Laden and Omar. The whole world, including the majority of the Mulsim faith have turned their backs on Omar and bin Laden and yet they still claim that THEIR path is the only path that Allah wants us to follow.

We will previal, terrorism won't be destroyed, it never will be, but at least now the terrorists are the ones that a feeling the terror of being targeted.
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Originally posted by shockboltthrower
Well, I am still of the opinion that if they hate us so much, then let us at least give them something worth hating. Let's continue to kill them. let us continue to strangle them to death. I feel no pity when kiil them. and just as they did on 9/11, we too should celebrate and hoot with joy every time a daisycutter bomb falls on their turbans. In fact, we should drop a daisy cuuter for every victim that is dead or missing.
Yes, i know I'm blowing steam but this angers me. I want them killed. period.
I have to agree with you completely. Never in my lifetime have I wanted to see anyone so dead as I do these people. Hopefully never again. I am terribly angry all over again.

I was in bad shape before the bombing started, very very angry wanted to take immediate retaliation. After the bombing started, I was asking for the nukes; constantly. Because that was the only way to kill and slaughter these people wholesale and whoever else got caught up in it, well no matter. A bit insensitive but fierce nonetheless.

Now I'm almost back in that state again. After seeing this tape, I say we just turn the whole Tora Bora area into glass by cleansing that whole area with a well placed nuclear device. That part of the country would be uninhabitable for 1,000 years and whoever is there now will remain there entombed...forever.
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You know since day one I have been saying just nuke the whole fucking place, I don't give a flying fuck who we kill, they didn't care why should we be PC and nice about this fuck em, fuck em all. Well I always got flame and people with dirreah of the mouth just bitching, after seeing this videotape and seeing what's going on in Isreal the past week and forever really there, I don't give a fuck less what anyone thinks, my thoughts are nuke the whole fucking country take care of Iraq while we are at it, take control of the fucking middle east and take control of the oil or at least let the UN take care of it. Fuck those people, they are laughing like this was a good thing, lets torch that whole fucking place then i'll send them a video tape of me laughing and have a good ol time. Oh and if you got flame for this thread go fucking join taliban and kiss my ass.
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fucking ignorance.

When you guys talk like this, it doesnt make you ANY better than them.

I am from the middle east, my country is almost no different than Iraq.

What you think everyone in those countries thinks like this? No. Only the people in power. Who the fuck are you people to just say Bomb Iraq, kill innocent people? This earth does not belong to you, and the lives of innocent people all the way on the other side of the world doesnt belong to you either.

Burn in fucking hell, and admit, your not higher than any other man in this world. Just cause you drive a nice car, and live in a "civilized" place doesnt mean your above anyone.

God made all humans, and he didnt give the fate of those unfortanate and innocent humans to the Americans.

2 wrongs dont make a right.
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I guess I am getting old. This sounds like a well-organized, turban wearing, religiously extreme, well funded KKK. Only with fewer pickup trucks, and more teeth.

I challenge you to do some surfing on US hate sites to uncover the same type of rhetoric and calls to action. This by no means indicates I condone this, but I accept that it exists. And you can't kill everyone that hates you. As Americans, we wouldn't have many countries left over. Britain tried to conquer the world a hundred years ago - didn't work well.
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Originally posted by pgatour1
You know since day one I have been saying just nuke the whole fucking place, I don't give a flying fuck who we kill, they didn't care why should we be PC and nice about this fuck em, fuck em all. Well I always got flame and people with dirreah of the mouth just bitching, after seeing this videotape and seeing what's going on in Isreal the past week and forever really there, I don't give a fuck less what anyone thinks, my thoughts are nuke the whole fucking country take care of Iraq while we are at it, take control of the fucking middle east and take control of the oil or at least let the UN take care of it. Fuck those people, they are laughing like this was a good thing, lets torch that whole fucking place then i'll send them a video tape of me laughing and have a good ol time. Oh and if you got flame for this thread go fucking join taliban and kiss my ass.
I couldn't agree with you more, PGA. Turn ALL THE SHIT TO GLASS!!!!! I don't care what anybody says, these ignorant shitheads fighting a 5000 year old war all need to DIE.
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Originally posted by pgatour1
You know since day one I have been saying just nuke the whole fucking place, I don't give a flying fuck who we kill, they didn't care why should we be PC and nice about this fuck em, fuck em all. Well I always got flame and people with dirreah of the mouth just bitching, after seeing this videotape and seeing what's going on in Isreal the past week and forever really there, I don't give a fuck less what anyone thinks, my thoughts are nuke the whole fucking country take care of Iraq while we are at it, take control of the fucking middle east and take control of the oil or at least let the UN take care of it. Fuck those people, they are laughing like this was a good thing, lets torch that whole fucking place then i'll send them a video tape of me laughing and have a good ol time. Oh and if you got flame for this thread go fucking join taliban and kiss my ass.
no flames from me, dude! My blowtorch has a muzzle on it.
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fucking ignorance.

When you guys talk like this, it doesnt make you ANY better than them.

I am from the middle east, my country is almost no different than Iraq.

What you think everyone in those countries thinks like this? No. Only the people in power. Who the fuck are you people to just say Bomb Iraq, kill innocent people? This earth does not belong to you, and the lives of innocent people all the way on the other side of the world doesnt belong to you either.

Burn in fucking hell, and admit, your not higher than any other man in this world. Just cause you drive a nice car, and live in a "civilized" place doesnt mean your above anyone.

God made all humans, and he didnt give the fate of those unfortanate and innocent humans to the Americans.

2 wrongs dont make a right.
calm down, Amir! I don't want to speak on anyone's behalf, but when I say I would like to see them dead, I am referring to bin Laden and the A.Q. Indeed, two wrongs don't make a right, and I am satisfied with the way the US government has been going after the AQ and not the affghan people. still, when the general sentiment in the middle east is anti-american, justified or not, you can't expect too much sympathy from the americans.
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
fucking ignorance.

When you guys talk like this, it doesnt make you ANY better than them.

I am from the middle east, my country is almost no different than Iraq.

What you think everyone in those countries thinks like this? No. Only the people in power. Who the fuck are you people to just say Bomb Iraq, kill innocent people? This earth does not belong to you, and the lives of innocent people all the way on the other side of the world doesnt belong to you either.

Burn in fucking hell, and admit, your not higher than any other man in this world. Just cause you drive a nice car, and live in a "civilized" place doesnt mean your above anyone.

God made all humans, and he didnt give the fate of those unfortanate and innocent humans to the Americans.

2 wrongs dont make a right.

I agree with you 1000%. We need to consider that our sanctions and all that crap aginst Iraq doesn't hurt Hussein. What the fuck does he care, he atacks his own people on a daily basis. We are just killig and torturing individuals.
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Apparently we have been thinking about who we are going to nuke when the time comes. And it will come [close] again...in yours and my lifetime.
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dont want to sound like a puss or anything but at the end of the article it said:

Also in January, the U.S. intelligence community issued a report projecting that before 2015, the United States most likely would face intercontinental ballistic missile threats from North Korea, Iran and possibly Iraq, barring significant changes in their politics.

Bush named those three nations as an "axis of evil" during his State of the Union address earlier this year.

The unclassified report by the National Intelligence Council also predicted that Chinese ballistic missile forces would increase sevenfold by 2015, rising to between 75 and 100 warheads deployed.
and that's kinda scary if you ask me. i dont mind if i wake up tomorrow and the entire asian continent didnt exist anymore. that'd be ideal. but realisticly it wont and i'd settle with them conga lining off the face of the earth. i dont mean to offend anyone but while israel is kinda starting to get out of hand, its good they are taking a stand and not getting pushed around, maybe we could learn a lesson from israel. anytime peace is supposed to be negociated it always is compensation for the palestinians in the form of land (more land, like the couldnt find a home land anywhere else by coincidence of course its land that's already inhabited) and the isralis gettin shafted and squeezed into a smaller area still. so just know that if you turn the other cheek you wont be able to sit down for a long time.
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i dont mind if i wake up tomorrow and the entire asian continent didnt exist anymore. that'd be <u>ideal.</u>
That's so ignorant.
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That's so ignorant.
eventho it may seem like i didnt think before i said that i did and if you think about it it would rid the worl of alot of problems. communism, overpopulation, many anti-american countries, diseases. that's what i was referring to. anything that is useful that comes from asia is cheap labor and the rest comes from Japan. once again i dont mean to offend anyone but im telling the truth.
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are you fucking kidding me? is this the way you American think? That is why the entire damn world hates you. Wake up and look at what everyone else thinks. The world doesn't belong to you, America. Figure it out or else you will definitely have problems in the future.
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Originally posted by MDLeast
are you fucking kidding me? is this the way you American think? That is why the entire damn world hates you. Wake up and look at what everyone else thinks. The world doesn't belong to you, America. Figure it out or else you will definitely have problems in the future.
No, that's not the way America thinks. I don't know who this idiot is and he doesn't share my views. I just want to eliminate the bad guys, the evil from the world; whoever they might be.
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ken,

you gotta understand that there is no such thing as just a bunch of bad evil people.

people do things for reasons, nobody is really evil, evil is make-believe.

The only way to solve problems is getting to the roots, and finding out why.

Unfortenetly the USA thinks they own the world, I hope they soon realize they dont own shit. I personally hate it how they stick their fucking nose in everyones business.

Thats why Europians hate Americans, thats why lots of Middle Easterns hate Americans..etc.



BTW, this whole deal in Israel in Palestine is getting too messy.
I really hope they come to peace and be able to live together one day, though I doubt it would happen.

Like I said before though, the United States should have no more powers than Bangladesh does. Its just another country, and its sick how people say shit like Nukem etc. Who do you think SOUNDS evil when you think about that?

When you NUKE a fucking country, you kill Innocent people. The reason the Sept 11 attacks were WRONG and they are soo awful, is cause they KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. If the U.S. does the same, then guess what, your both on the same level, your BOTH shit, and you both deserve to suffer a horrible death. No 1 man is greater than the next.
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
ken,

you gotta understand that there is no such thing as just a bunch of bad evil people.

people do things for reasons, nobody is really evil, evil is make-believe.

The only way to solve problems is getting to the roots, and finding out why.

Unfortenetly the USA thinks they own the world, I hope they soon realize they dont own shit. I personally hate it how they stick their fucking nose in everyones business.

Thats why Europians hate Americans, thats why lots of Middle Easterns hate Americans..etc.



BTW, this whole deal in Israel in Palestine is getting too messy.
I really hope they come to peace and be able to live together one day, though I doubt it would happen.

Like I said before though, the United States should have no more powers than Bangladesh does. Its just another country, and its sick how people say shit like Nukem etc. Who do you think SOUNDS evil when you think about that?

When you NUKE a fucking country, you kill Innocent people. The reason the Sept 11 attacks were WRONG and they are soo awful, is cause they KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. If the U.S. does the same, then guess what, your both on the same level, your BOTH shit, and you both deserve to suffer a horrible death. No 1 man is greater than the next.
What was Hitler's motivation? Ruler of the world?
These type of people are called meglomaniacs, people who live for POWER and wealth...only a few in the history of mankind belong to this exclusive club.

Moreover, meglomania can also manifest itself into a form of government. For example, the imperial nation of Japan. You rarely hear about mass killings on this eastern side of the world, but that does not mean genocide never existed here.
Plainly, overshadowed by other, more infamous, mass killings.
Look up BATAAN DEATH MARCH as an event for reference.

I think America's reputation for sticking up against meglomania
in the past has been more than justified. And for that reason, we ought to be cautious about future meglomaniacs who prop up to seize a moment in history.

Anyone who thinks Evil doesn't exist, has not a clue about tyrants, dictators, and conquerers. And because of our past experience with these types of evil, we are forced to act in the present day.
History is about precedents, learning from past events to make better decisions in the furture.

US thinks they own the world and they butt into other people's business? The problem here: the people who make this type of statement have no idea about US accomplishments in the past.
And on the flipside, the US has no idea about the history of what they sometimes get into. It is a clash of historical misunderstanding.

When you NUKE a fucking country, you kill Innocent people. The reason the Sept 11 attacks were WRONG and they are soo awful, is cause they KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. If the U.S. does the same, then guess what, your both on the same level, your BOTH shit, and you both deserve to suffer a horrible death. No 1 man is greater than the next.

You are referring to us dropping the bomb on Japan right? And that was not justified, even though Japan basically conquered most of Eastern Asian? Japan was basically following the footsteps of Hitler Germany.
The bomb was DURING world war II and practically SIGNALED the end of WWII.

Sept 11: Was the US in the midst of a war at that time? No!
It was peacetime for us. Who provoked the first shot in this new war? And i'm not talking about policy.
How the hell can you justify killing 3,000 people because you don't agree with policy?
"Just because I don't believe in them, allows me to justify a use of force"
If we knew we were OFFICIALLY at war, then innocent people would naturally die because WAR does not discriminate.
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And do I believe the neverending dispute between Israelis and Palestinians, more importantly the US's continued support for the Israeli's, was what caused this Sept. 11 mess? YES.

We hung in way too long helping out the Israeli's and this prolonged dispute is undeniably a factor in the Sept 11 attacks.
So was the Gulf war: Iraq was a threat to Israel, to Kuwait,
and to the stability of oil prices.

So we played favorites for way too long, and now we inevitably are in this mess.

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Thats why Europians hate Americans, thats why lots of Middle Easterns hate Americans..etc.

That's too bad that Europeans have already forgotten who primarily saved their asses in the world wars against the Axis powers.
The Russians are essentially upset because they think the downfall of their country's economy was caused by the US. But in fact, it's equally their fault for their weak fiscal policies.
And no doubt, it's "envy-hate." Our prosperity is contrasted by their suffering. There's an old saying that says Russians are accustomed to suffering. It's all from the end of the Cold War:
there was no more need for military build up, and Russia was heavily industrialized. Their economy was very much dependent on their military industry.
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
ken,

you gotta understand that there is no such thing as just a bunch of bad evil people.

people do things for reasons, nobody is really evil, evil is make-believe.

The only way to solve problems is getting to the roots, and finding out why.

Unfortenetly the USA thinks they own the world, I hope they soon realize they dont own shit. I personally hate it how they stick their fucking nose in everyones business.

Thats why Europians hate Americans, thats why lots of Middle Easterns hate Americans..etc.



BTW, this whole deal in Israel in Palestine is getting too messy.
I really hope they come to peace and be able to live together one day, though I doubt it would happen.

Like I said before though, the United States should have no more powers than Bangladesh does. Its just another country, and its sick how people say shit like Nukem etc. Who do you think SOUNDS evil when you think about that?

When you NUKE a fucking country, you kill Innocent people. The reason the Sept 11 attacks were WRONG and they are soo awful, is cause they KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. If the U.S. does the same, then guess what, your both on the same level, your BOTH shit, and you both deserve to suffer a horrible death. No 1 man is greater than the next.
Hehe, no evil, eh? Oh, I definitely know there is evil in this world. Don't try to convince me otherwise; I've seen it. You speak a good piece, as though you were trying to disarm me; but it won't work. I will remain vigilant no matter how you try to convince me otherwise. Call me the bad guy if you wish, but I won't be swayed in my thinking. Not in this lifetime. When the time is right, America will put an end to all that is wrong and bad; this terrorism. :angry:
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I think killing innocent is WRONG......no matter what the circumstances. The terrorists killed many innocent people. It is the fact they attacked innocent people on our soil. I know it happens all over the place, but it needs to stop. There will always be extremists, and thats what we have to worry about. I don't think anyone wants a nuke-fest......NO ONE WINS THAT WAY. I SURE AS HELL DON'T.........I've still got a lot of living to do
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Originally posted by ItalianStallion


eventho it may seem like i didnt think before i said that i did and if you think about it it would rid the worl of alot of problems. communism, overpopulation, many anti-american countries, diseases. that's what i was referring to. anything that is useful that comes from asia is cheap labor and the rest comes from Japan. once again i dont mean to offend anyone but im telling the truth.
truth?

damn man...why don't we juss kill everyone that isn't useful

hell, lets even kill everyone that's not blonde, and blue eyed
and we can call ourselves Nazis and put swaztikas on all of our sh!t and wage war on the whole world

let's burn anyone that's not "one of us" and nuke their countries

Your probably the deepest and wisest thinker i've ever heard

it's ignorance like that, that brings the US down...

o yea...where did the majority of the mafia come from?
how much of that sh!t came from italy?

we shoulda bombed Italy and killed all of it's citizens and stopped ALL italian immigrants because SOME of them were messed up


juss my two cents
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
ken,

you gotta understand that there is no such thing as just a bunch of bad evil people.

people do things for reasons, nobody is really evil, evil is make-believe.

The only way to solve problems is getting to the roots, and finding out why.

Unfortenetly the USA thinks they own the world, I hope they soon realize they dont own shit. I personally hate it how they stick their fucking nose in everyones business.

Thats why Europians hate Americans, thats why lots of Middle Easterns hate Americans..etc.



BTW, this whole deal in Israel in Palestine is getting too messy.
I really hope they come to peace and be able to live together one day, though I doubt it would happen.

Like I said before though, the United States should have no more powers than Bangladesh does. Its just another country, and its sick how people say shit like Nukem etc. Who do you think SOUNDS evil when you think about that?

When you NUKE a fucking country, you kill Innocent people. The reason the Sept 11 attacks were WRONG and they are soo awful, is cause they KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. If the U.S. does the same, then guess what, your both on the same level, your BOTH shit, and you both deserve to suffer a horrible death. No 1 man is greater than the next.

Amir,
I am sure I won't be the first to point this out to you, but in fact the United Staes DOES own the world. Many of the piss countries that bad mouth the US are the first to extend their hand when the US is giving out money to their shithole governments. As for the Europeans hating us, I think that they have all but forgotten that it is the United States that that can thank for not living under the Third Reich today. It was the US that went over there and whipped the shit out of Hitler while the rest of Europe was bending over and spreading its ass cheecks for him.
Is the US always right? Of course not. But we have the financial and the military muscle to be in the superpower position that we are in. Whether you like it or not, the world plays by our rules. And don't make any mistake about it.
I just thought I'd remind you of that. so why don't you be a nice canadian like the rest of your country folk and shut the fuck up when you decide to bad mouth the US? If you love your Arab brothers so much why don't you give up the luxurious lifestyle you live in up there in lovely Canada and hop on a plane to the middle east(not into one of our skyscrapers) and fight for what you are always crowing about?
Somehow I doubt you'd be willing to give up that lush apartment you live in and the nice car you drive for what you are always bitching about. So once again, why don't you just please shut the fuck up and be a nice canadian?
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No, that's not the way America thinks. I don't know who this idiot is and he doesn't share my views. I just want to eliminate the bad guys, the evil from the world; whoever they might be.
This is a rather ignorant expression... Americans do not believe they own everything, I'm an american. Such a broad classification is on the same level as saying all muslims should die because they think all Americans should die. Sounds kidna stupid huh? And you should use a little bit of consideration when you read these posts, people are angry. How would you feel if we took out thousands of your innocent countrymen? Kinda piss ya off wouldn't it? You'd want some revenge wouldn't ya? Ya know, part of me says killing is wrong... The other part says "kill em all and let God sort it out."

I'm reminded of something General Schwartzkof said (sp?):
When a reporter asked if America should be able to forgive what happened on september 11th, General S. said that it's God's job to forgive people. He said it was his job to arrange the meeting... i can't help but agree

By the way amir, if you live in the US, i'd like to send you something. PM me if ya do...

"The only way to solve problems is getting to the roots, and finding out why. " Amir, i had to reply to this when i read it... If you have a weed in your yard, how do you get rid of it? YOU GET IT WHERE IT GROWS, PULL THE ROOTS OUT, AND KILL THE DAMN THING. So, if there's a problem with readical islamic fundamentalists, why don't we just grab hold of that root, pull it out, then burn it? Just a simple suggestion...
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