bouncer07

You won't ever see a 100 trap on a bone stock engine bud. There's just no possible way, even with light tail wind you can't pick up an extra 3 MPH.



This

ju1ce

It did 98 at 3000ft. Ill just assume 100 is a shoe-in at a track like atco, Cecil, or maybe even englishtown.

bouncer07

Get some tires and go back, you still on the stock slave cylinder check valve?

ju1ce

The car is 100% stock, I just picked it up about a week ago.

bouncer07

Get that mod done to the car.
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/113-removal-slave-cylinder-check-valve-734300/

Some answers or experiences
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/all-those-whove-done-slave-cylinder-mod-questions-888458/

ju1ce

Wow thats great info... this whole time I just thought the clutch was tired.
If I decide to keep the car I'll definitely do that.

Sonnick

Atco is only fast because of the available conditions IMO. On a normal day, it's any other track. Most stock 6spd TLs will see 97-98mph. If you're seeing that @3000ft, then maybe your track is fast lol.

ju1ce

LVD is a terrible track, I regularly trap about 3-4 miles an hour higher at Atco in other cars I've owned. I could easily see 100 in the TL there. The track prep at Atco is phenomenal.

BEAR-AvHistory

With all due respect just go do it & post the time slip.

ju1ce

I may not be keeping my TL until October/November when the air quality would get to 0 DA. It's fun to debate, but I'm not too concerned about rushing to Atco to prove a 14 second car can trap 100 lol

anx1300c

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I don't know about that, R3DEVI7 ran his stock Type-S 6MT at Lebanon Valley on 6/13 of this year and only went 14.6 @ 98. Not sure on the 60' or the weather that night, but if OP was trapping 97-98 @ 3000 DA in a stock base model, then it's definitely a freak.


QUOTED:


"14.6@98 was my best tonight in the '08 TLS 6spd, so stock it hurts. Got six runs in tonight at LVD. Beat my buddies Mazdaspeed3 two out of three. Beat a mustang (My first, and def not last), and got beat by a 11.8 turbo integra twice. 2.4 60ft."

ju1ce

Freak? It's a bone stock TL with 87k on snow tires lol

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

You've never heard the term "factory freak"? It's a stock car that's stronger than it should be.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

otherwise known as a wednesday motor.

Monday - too hung over.
friday - looking forward for the weekend.

ju1ce

I don't buy into the 'freak' thing.
Everyone said my GTO was a freak until I drove a bunch of other peoples GTOs to the same times lol

Sonnick

So you think my traps are over-inflated 3-4mph? Because I went 103-104 @ Island drag in 1300ft DA before my 4" CAI...

BEAR-AvHistory

Sorry, guess we did not realize we were in the presents of greatness.

Yonkersracing

lmfao my thoughts exactly

ju1ce

Greatness? No... lol. Just a guy who enjoys driving and racing.

BEAR-AvHistory

Like almost everybody else here.

ju1ce

Amen to that.

Dave_B

Who told you

Yep, a good bit of ignorance over at focusst.org. The problem is it's a lot of American-make diehards becoming freshly new ricers.

The WRX is great. It's still stock, motor wise. I hope it treats me remotely as good as the G35 did.

Dave_B

Why do you think that? The density of altitude was over 3,000' on the day the car ran. DA has a HUGE impact on the way a car drives especially an NA one. That low-oxygen air was certainly sucking out power as was some of the heat soak. Over my years of racing at the strip, I've swings of .4-.5 seconds and 4-5mph between running during 95+ degree day with a calculated DA of 5,000'+ vs a 45 degree day with a DA of 500'. Same track and no changes to the car, driving style, etc.

There's no doubt in my mind that 6MT car could go 100-101mph in 40-50 degree air. Heck, it was doing nearly 98mph is crappy air.

swoosh

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i know people....who know people....who know you

Sonnick

So he must be a magical driver that traps 2-3mph higher than any other 6MT TL? Dave you're surprising me here. All this time you would argue how modded ones go 101-102 yet now a stock one goes 100-101?

I still haven't heard if he is stock weight....a 'bone' stock Base 6spd won't see 100mph unless the DA is negative. It's very simple. The car would need near 240whp.

bouncer07

Over my years, I've seen at least a bump in 2mph with better 60ft times and getting better 1/4 mile time. That is a near perfect run without slicks. But again, track varies elsewhere in the states so I can't speak to your .5 secs and 4-5 mph. Must means you had a crappy launch and perfected it after many tries to get it down to that time. I like to keep it to that day and not couple months out and say you had a .4 sec off the last run. We all love DA's and night runs with cool air, Fall, and Spring runs are one of the best for track days. Yet, I haven't seen a base 6spd hit that trap yet... bone stock after many years of this car's 3rd Generation.

Sonnick

^ There also hasn't been another J series short of a swap trap 106+ in the 1/4 either. But I totally admit that it was in negative DA, and am not ashamed one bit to say my car isn't a 106 car, because it's not. I ran against "IAmTaiBoogie" a few times that night, and I'm sure he would quote his times that night (pretty impressive). So I'm fine with saying that. But if someone asked me what my car is capable of I'd say my best time of 13.46 @106.6, but note that was in (-) DA, and that it's more of a 104mph car. I just beat or hang with cars on the street I shouldn't because not everyone can drive....

My point is, I'm sure a bone stock Base TL 6MT could see 100mph in negative DA conditions, but at sea level, it's not happening unless there is some weight reduction. And I think the OPs best 60' was a 2.27...hardly a great 60', yet his corrected time is 13.9? So are we to believe with a 2.1 he would've went 13.6 at sea level in a stock TL? Lol-batross.....

ju1ce

You're focused on the wrong variables and not seeing the big picture.
The car went 98 in awful air on a snow tire.
I could easily see 100 at sea level on a better tire, especially at a track like Atco where the prep is second to none.

I highly doubt no one has ever gone 100mph in a stock TL at the track... even the crappy magazine drivers were doing 14.1 @ 99.

Sonnick

They were trapping 98. Who knows what the conditions were though.

Not one person has gone 100. You still haven't answered the question if you are stock weight.

ju1ce

I've said multiple times that the car is bone stock.
That means full weight.
I haven't even had the TL 2 weeks yet. I bought it from an older guy who kept it in the garage and drove his kids to soccer practice in it.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

Sonnick some peeps have magical cars LOL...

apparently I am one of them....my car goes from 40-80 in under 4 seconds

I need to get some other tool to make sure its right and my phone is not lagging/etc LOL...

Sonnick

Lol yea but dude, you said you ran a FBO Type S and were pretty even. They aren't doing 40-80 in under 4 seconds, I think that device is off. I'm not trying to hate friend, just being honest, because 40-80 in under 4 seconds is modded 5.0 Coyote territory....

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ I totally understand...I will have the wifey tape a run and I will be able to see if it is under 4 seconds or more like 5 seconds....

it was a fully bolted on Type S with Hondata FPO....i had the AC blasting and the wifey with me....not sure how much he was putting down

the only problem with that run is we started at 50-55 if am not mistaken....for a 40-80 run, I usually start at 20-30 mph and go through the gears...not sure if that makes a difference....

Sonnick

^ I have no doubts your car is fast my dude! Hopefully you can get on the dyno some day soon. But again, numbers are just numbers unless you have before/after. But it would be nice to know how much you are putting down.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ true....

funny enough, the local dyno day is on the weekend that am away (talk about timing)....hoping they will push it back by 1 week so I will be able to get a dyno done before 1st week of August....

BEAR-AvHistory

You realize that 4 seconds 40-80 is about a full second faster than a cars running 13.2/3 108 will do it & would make you quicker than a Z06 by about .2? I would guess about 6 seconds for a stock TL with a 6MT.

What is you best et/trap so far?

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

I have never been to a track....

I have a fully bolted on, fully gutted 5AT TL....and i got the numbers from Torque PRO....here are some screen shots....yes i was surprised too....

On a FLAT ROAD:

40-60 multiple times 1.8s
60-80 multiple times 1.9s
Total 40-80 3.7s








GOING DOWNHILL....on the highway

i_love_cars

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Hi my name is Jordan and I would just like to say that I enjoy long walks on the beach. I also enjoy auto-x tracks where holistic skill with run-of-the-mill, 13.5 - 15 second 1/4 mile cars can be proven, and people don't have time to debate irrelevant drag strip differences because we're all too busy flagging corners and racing our moderately quick, perhaps borderline slow, but never-truly-fast cars.

Get yourself a 10 second RWD car and keep it straight going down the drag strip. Then I will acknowledge skill at driving in a straight line.

Dave_B

What's so hard to believe? The mags got a 14.3@99 out of a 6mt A-spec TL years ago. I thought it was generally accepted that the 6mt 3rd gen cars could go 100mph under decent conditions and a good track. I certainly believe it.

The norm? No way, but certainly possible.

Dave_B

None of my cars gained mph after getting a better 60 foot. Mph is readily available HP. ET is available traction. You could get a 2.5 60 foot and run a 15.0@99mph or get a 2.1 60 foot and run a 14.2@99mph. That's the way its always worked with my cars and most any other car I've seen run at the strip over the past 20 years. LOL

I'm starting to doubt that many in this thread don't understand what DA means. It has a huge impact on the way a car runs, especially an NA one. Period. Yes, my cars saw swings of up to .5 seconds and 5mph between running on a 90 degree+ humid day and a cool crisp 45 degree day. Same 60 foots, same driving style, track, etc.