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TL 6MT vs Mazdaspeed3 (finally)

Had my first run in with a Speed3 tonight, the guy said he had a CAI. I took off my exhaust so just precats and j-pipe for now.

15-100mph TL was about 2 cars ahead
15-140mph TL was 3-4 cars ahead

1st was pretty even, I started pulling away in 3rd and added another car length in 4th gear.

I'd love to run a modded one and see what happens but for now I think it's clear how the cars stack up.



Side note, I pulled on a 2010 Mustang GT from a 25mph roll till 150mph. We must have ran like 6x cuz the guy couldn't believe what was happening haha. The mustang was definitely a closer race but I still put some distance on it.

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nice kill i still have yet to run into a mazdaspeed
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YYYAAHHH baby! lol wait until that mazdaspeedgod dude reads this
Dude...I'm telling you, the TL/TL-S 6MT's are surprisingly quick. I don't understand. fan_888's TL pulls on the 335i we have in our group.
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Nice kills.
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Originally Posted by erick3
YYYAAHHH baby! lol wait until that mazdaspeedgod dude reads this
Dude...I'm telling you, the TL/TL-S 6MT's are surprisingly quick. I don't understand. fan_888's TL pulls on the 335i we have in our group.
just what i was thinking that guys gonna show up in here and all hells gonna break loose lol
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Originally Posted by erick3
YYYAAHHH baby! lol wait until that mazdaspeedgod dude reads this
Dude...I'm telling you, the TL/TL-S 6MT's are surprisingly quick. I don't understand. fan_888's TL pulls on the 335i we have in our group.
Never had a run with a 335i before, I've tried but they don't bite. I don't think I can take it but I'll hold my ground

Fan_888 has a TL-S? If so, what mods?
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Nice Alex! That's some pretty good distance!

I do have to say one thing. I feel like every run with an MS3 is going to be different. There are people who know how to drive them, and people that don't. I've heard you have to shift them at the right RPM for them to run how they should. Maybe this guy was, and if so that's awesome. I've yet to run into an MS3.

Think about what we could do once the full standalone comes out
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
Nice Alex! That's some pretty good distance!

I do have to say one thing. I feel like every run with an MS3 is going to be different. There are people who know how to drive them, and people that don't. I've heard you have to shift them at the right RPM for them to run how they should. Maybe this guy was, and if so that's awesome. I've yet to run into an MS3.

Think about what we could do once the full standalone comes out
Haha sonnick, long time no talk! Yeah I was surprised by how much I pulled. I need to run a few more of them Speed3's then I'll be completely satisfied. I knew you had to shift like 500rpm before redline or something like that for them to be real quick. Anyways, I whooped this guys ass haha

Full standalone huh? I gotta research about what's happening around here, I haven't been on the site in a while so I didn't know haha.

Good to be back!
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Originally Posted by alexSU
Never had a run with a 335i before, I've tried but they don't bite. I don't think I can take it but I'll hold my ground

Fan_888 has a TL-S? If so, what mods?
hm...if i can remember correctly - pre-cats, UR underdrive pulley, v3 j-pipe, resonator deletion, aem cold air, light weight te37's...? that sounds about right. he has essentially everything minus exhaust.
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Originally Posted by erick3
hm...if i can remember correctly - pre-cats, UR underdrive pulley, v3 j-pipe, resonator deletion, aem cold air, light weight te37's...? that sounds about right. he has essentially everything minus exhaust.
Sounds like he's got a nice setup there with an exhaust he can really open up his top end! I'm hoping I can get another exhaust system in the future, it's not the same without it.
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Nice runs Alex. You gonna be up in Syracuse this spring? I'm going to Esta when they open up in April. I'll have my HFC's on by then.
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You pulled on a Speed3 with just precats and J-pipe? Holy cow, you must be one hell of a driver. VERY nice kill
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Originally Posted by Aman
You pulled on a Speed3 with just precats and J-pipe? Holy cow, you must be one hell of a driver. VERY nice kill
LOL, the Mazda's a high 13/low 14 second car, not a C6 Z06.
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
Nice runs Alex. You gonna be up in Syracuse this spring? I'm going to Esta when they open up in April. I'll have my HFC's on by then.
I plan on visiting Syracuse sometime in the summer, maybe for the State Fair is Esta open in August?

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You pulled on a Speed3 with just precats and J-pipe? Holy cow, you must be one hell of a driver. VERY nice kill
Haha thanks man but those mods give pretty damn good gains! But I think a stock 6MT could put up a good fight vs the Speed3.
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Hell yeah they're open in August! I'll have P&P intake and runners and a tune by then.
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Nice kills! We need to catch up at a track sometime, sounds like it would be a close run.
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Originally Posted by Slow03Maxima
Nice kills! We need to catch up at a track sometime, sounds like it would be a close run.
Thanks Slow, expect your anything but slow haha idk man you got a pretty fast Max! I'd love to set up a track date, maybe in the spring for sure. But I've seen what you can do and you definitely have an advantage at the track cuz of your experience I don't think I've got anything lower then a 2.2 60'...gotta practice more lol
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Originally Posted by alexSU
Thanks Slow, expect your anything but slow haha idk man you got a pretty fast Max! I'd love to set up a track date, maybe in the spring for sure. But I've seen what you can do and you definitely have an advantage at the track cuz of your experience I don't think I've got anything lower then a 2.2 60'...gotta practice more lol
Yeah tons of practice and getting just the right tire setup can go a long way for launching on street tires. We'd probably have a better run on the highway.
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^what kind of tires are you running i been looking for some good tires to buy for summer
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
^what kind of tires are you running i been looking for some good tires to buy for summer
For street tires I run 245/40/18 general exclaim UHPs up front. Has resulted in plenty of 2.0 '60 foots. My DRs are 225/50/15 Hoosiers. So far just low 1.8s on them, but they've only had 2 track days so far since I got them.

The exclaim UHPs were on the car for this run in 2009 which was a 13.2@107.5 with a 2.08 '60 foot. Cobalt also happened to be running exclaim UHPs in 235/40/18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YGnHsHp7c
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nt05s!!!
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Originally Posted by justnspace
nt05s!!!
Not to argue, but I would definitely recommend hoosier or MT for radials to be used at a drag strip. Worlds better than the majority of the competition.

edit: sorry for the derail, alex
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Originally Posted by Slow03Maxima
Not to argue, but I would definitely recommend hoosier or MT for radials to be used at a drag strip. Worlds better than the majority of the competition.

edit: sorry for the derail, alex
I read Kdawg post as summer tires. disregard if solely for track purposes
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Originally Posted by justnspace
I read Kdawg post as summer tires. disregard if solely for track purposes
Ah I see. The nt05s are drag radials though, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Slow03Maxima
Ah I see. The nt05s are drag radials though, as far as I know.
its a street tire. it competes with dunlop direzza's
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Originally Posted by justnspace
its a street tire. it competes with dunlop direzza's
must have been thinking about the nt05r. Just from skimming reviews, the star specs still seem to be dominating for dry and wet traction for the high priced summer tires.

I would still go with star specs if I want to spend a bunch, or exclaim UHPs if i want cheap. As an added benefit the exclaims are 4-5lbs lighter than pretty much any other tire in the same size and still get great straight line traction with soft sidewalls.
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i have general exclaims right now 215/50/17 and i cant get any traction in whole 1st gear
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
i have general exclaims right now 215/50/17 and i cant get any traction in whole 1st gear
You appear to have a pretty healthy set of full boltons (260-270whp?) and a relatively heavy front wheel drive car. It's hard to get traction with those conditions in the first place, but the 215 width isn't helping you too much. I've had both KDW-2s and general exclaims on this car and the exclaims have actually hooked better for me in a straight line because of the softer sidewalls.

If you want to upgrade in price and in dry performance, check out the Z1 star specs. However, I think going to a 245/45/17 general exclaim would help a lot.

No matter what you pick, it will be hard to fully hook in first gear on a street tire with this type of vehicle at 250+whp. It depends on the road surface, but I usually hook through most of first gear if it's above 50 degrees outside.
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thanks for the help man. im gonna need different rims then because i wont be able to fit anything wider then 225 on stock 17x7 rim
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
thanks for the help man. im gonna need different rims then because i wont be able to fit anything wider then 225 on stock 17x7 rim
They're actually 17x6.5. Even worse! I have the same wheels on my 06 6MT. They look great, but are REALLY heavy, even for a skinny 6.5in wheel.

General exclaims huh? Are they all season or just summer? I was looking at the Toyo Proxes 4 (all season) 245/40/18 because I plan on getting RPF1s. They weigh in around 25.4lbs or so in that size. I've heard they are good tires but if the Exclaims are that much lighter...the RPF1s in 18x9.5 +45 are 18.6lbs....hehehehe.
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thats why i upgraded to the 3rd gen wheels. they weigh less and are wider. allows me to run a 235. my current kdw's are 225 but they were dirt cheap.
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
They're actually 17x6.5. Even worse! I have the same wheels on my 06 6MT. They look great, but are REALLY heavy, even for a skinny 6.5in wheel.

General exclaims huh? Are they all season or just summer? I was looking at the Toyo Proxes 4 (all season) 245/40/18 because I plan on getting RPF1s. They weigh in around 25.4lbs or so in that size. I've heard they are good tires but if the Exclaims are that much lighter...the RPF1s in 18x9.5 +45 are 18.6lbs....hehehehe.
damn 17x6.5 definitely need to upgrade these rims.. and the generals are ultra high performance summer tires
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Lighter street tires aren't always a good thing for lowering your 60' in a high powered FWD car with an MT. Sometimes they'll just spin more off the line and have the opposite effect, and once you're moving, the few extra pounds of a heavier tire aren't that significant anyway. I'd look more closely at the tread pattern and compounds than weight.

Plus, the lighter the tire, the thinner the sidewall. A friend had the Continentals in 235/45/17 (22lb tire) and they started bulging in the sidewall after a few thousand miles.
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
Lighter street tires aren't always a good thing for lowering your 60' in a high powered FWD car with an MT. Sometimes they'll just spin more off the line and have the opposite effect, and once you're moving, the few extra pounds of a heavier tire aren't that significant anyway. I'd look more closely at the tread pattern and compounds than weight.

Plus, the lighter the tire, the thinner the sidewall. A friend had the Continentals in 235/45/17 (22lb tire) and they started bulging in the sidewall after a few thousand miles.
what kind of tires do you have, and how wide?
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
They're actually 17x6.5. Even worse! I have the same wheels on my 06 6MT. They look great, but are REALLY heavy, even for a skinny 6.5in wheel.

General exclaims huh? Are they all season or just summer? I was looking at the Toyo Proxes 4 (all season) 245/40/18 because I plan on getting RPF1s. They weigh in around 25.4lbs or so in that size. I've heard they are good tires but if the Exclaims are that much lighter...the RPF1s in 18x9.5 +45 are 18.6lbs....hehehehe.
what is strange to me is that the 2nd gen TL-S and your 06 accord has 17x6.5 but the CL-S wheels are 17x7. my TSX wheels are 17x7 as well. wonder why honda did that since they all share 215-50-17 tires.
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i just got my wheel width measured by my mechanic and he told me its 7 inch
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
i just got my wheel width measured by my mechanic and he told me its 7 inch
Unless you have the CL-s wheels, they are 6.5in. I say this with 100% certainty.
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thats why i upgraded to the 3rd gen wheels. they weigh less and are wider. allows me to run a 235. my current kdw's are 225 but they were dirt cheap.
You can even throw a 255 on the 3G TL wheel. Imagine that kind of a tire on your 2G haha it would look very beefy!!
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LOL, the Mazda's a high 13/low 14 second car, not a C6 Z06.
Originally Posted by alexSU
Haha thanks man but those mods give pretty damn good gains! But I think a stock 6MT could put up a good fight vs the Speed3.
The MS3 is a relatively small car with 280 lb. ft of torque. I thought it'd be a quicker car

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For street tires I run 245/40/18 general exclaim UHPs up front. Has resulted in plenty of 2.0 '60 foots. My DRs are 225/50/15 Hoosiers. So far just low 1.8s on them, but they've only had 2 track days so far since I got them.

The exclaim UHPs were on the car for this run in 2009 which was a 13.2@107.5 with a 2.08 '60 foot. Cobalt also happened to be running exclaim UHPs in 235/40/18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YGnHsHp7c
Why are the DRs narrower than your street tire? I thought you would want a wider tire for the track.

And holy cow, talk about a quick time. I know you're probably not even close to stock, but that generation Maxima is pretty quick still, no? If anything hapens to the Accord I'd love to get one of those bad boys...

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thats why i upgraded to the 3rd gen wheels. they weigh less and are wider. allows me to run a 235. my current kdw's are 225 but they were dirt cheap.
Aren't 3G TL wheels heavy as well?

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