MT 08 TL Type S 1/4 mile
10-24-2012, 03:57 AM
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MT 08 TL Type S 1/4 mile
Well first time driving the TL at the strip. Must say it is a little bit tricky for to launch the car.
It is a N/A application full bolt ons, and my best 60ft was 2.2secs. So it sucked my goal is to reach the 2.0 mark or so and then we are talking. Best time was a 13.7@104mph at Bradenton, Florida. With slightly less than half a tank on gas and full interiors.
It was around 75degrees and humid. Trap speeds were consistent around 103 with 2.3 on the 60ft and then 104 with 2.2 on the 60ft. If i get a 2.0 it will be around 13.5@105mph. Slowly getting there but the power is amazing on that car.
It is a N/A application full bolt ons, and my best 60ft was 2.2secs. So it sucked my goal is to reach the 2.0 mark or so and then we are talking. Best time was a 13.7@104mph at Bradenton, Florida. With slightly less than half a tank on gas and full interiors.
It was around 75degrees and humid. Trap speeds were consistent around 103 with 2.3 on the 60ft and then 104 with 2.2 on the 60ft. If i get a 2.0 it will be around 13.5@105mph. Slowly getting there but the power is amazing on that car.
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10-24-2012, 08:11 AM
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Nice traps. Seems about right considering your car probably weighs 300lbs more than mine and have 30whp more. If you get that 60' down to a 2.0 you will more than likely be around 13.4. Glad to see you finally went to the track. I think we would have a great run 
What track did you go to and which day?
What track did you go to and which day?
10-24-2012, 12:21 PM
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Yeah on gas alone i could have saved about 50lbs went there with way to much fuel LMAO...Bradenton, Tampa or close to tampa it was humid at 75 degrees. I agree with the 13.4 as well...And I know the care can pull 105/106mph. I went on thursday the 18th to test tune the integra running some problems on the boost solenoid at 9.30secs@160mph and the TL 13.7@104mph So it is feasible to be making a lot better on the TL...next time i will go better prepared
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10-24-2012, 01:45 PM
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What's your current whp? Increasing 2mph without making any changes is going to be tough, unless you go in much better conditions (do it!) IIRC, you're pushing 303whp or so. I can't see 106mph traps unless you decrease your wheel size/tire diameter or like I said, run in near sea level conditions. But good luck! In for results.
What was your F/R tire pressure? Your fronts should be under 30 for a better 60' (at least I found it helped) and the rears around 45 or so for less rolling resistance.
Reason I asked when/where you went is so I can put it into the DA calculator on Dragtimes to see what the 'corrected' values would be at sea level. My 13.57 (missed 4th
) corrected was a 13.37 and 103.9 trap was a 105.45 
Yours could be similar as well 
It's about time we're getting some more full weight J series cars into the 13s!!
What was your F/R tire pressure? Your fronts should be under 30 for a better 60' (at least I found it helped) and the rears around 45 or so for less rolling resistance.
Reason I asked when/where you went is so I can put it into the DA calculator on Dragtimes to see what the 'corrected' values would be at sea level. My 13.57 (missed 4th
) corrected was a 13.37 and 103.9 trap was a 105.45 Yours could be similar as well It's about time we're getting some more full weight J series cars into the 13s!!
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10-24-2012, 04:59 PM
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Nice. Did you ever do the AEM FIC or no? I remember you had plans to.
I wanna see a full interior N/A Accord/TL trap 110. A 7G Accord could probably do it on 320-330 WHP and a 3G TL on 340-350. 6MT's of course.
Cams/head work/JnR ECU would probably do it, or at least come damn close.
I wanna see a full interior N/A Accord/TL trap 110. A 7G Accord could probably do it on 320-330 WHP and a 3G TL on 340-350. 6MT's of course.
Cams/head work/JnR ECU would probably do it, or at least come damn close.
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10-25-2012, 01:51 AM
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Solid times and under decent conditions. It's nice to FINALLY see someone take a full bolt-on TLS to the strip. The numbers jive exactly with what I've been expecting all these years. So many were making wild claims with these bolt-on TLS' making them sound like 12 second cars.
The calculated DA conditions on the evening of the 23rd was around 1,200' with engine power at ~101%. Basically the conditions weren't sucking out any power. In cooler conditions winter conditions and with very high pressures often experienced in coastal areas, I don't see why this car couldn't go 105mph or even possibly 106mph if you found an evening where it was around 40 degrees and the pressure in the 31 range. Those conditions would amount to -2,400' and the motor would be making 110% of it's normal power.
The calculated DA conditions on the evening of the 23rd was around 1,200' with engine power at ~101%. Basically the conditions weren't sucking out any power. In cooler conditions winter conditions and with very high pressures often experienced in coastal areas, I don't see why this car couldn't go 105mph or even possibly 106mph if you found an evening where it was around 40 degrees and the pressure in the 31 range. Those conditions would amount to -2,400' and the motor would be making 110% of it's normal power.
10-25-2012, 04:31 AM
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There is a tradeoff @ 40 degrees with traction going away as the power comes up.
10-25-2012, 10:43 AM
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Idk Dave, when I went to Island Drag the conditions were 1350ft DA where the pressure was mid 29s IIRC. According to the DA calculator, the car was at 97.x% I believe. Not sure how 1,200ft wouldn't take away any power as compared to sea level?
10-25-2012, 11:11 AM
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For the record, I don't think anyone was making them seem like 12 second cars lol. Although on slicks and a 1.7 60' I'd say it's possible for more than 1 vehicle currently
10-25-2012, 02:49 PM
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10-25-2012, 02:51 PM
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I sure remember reading posts from people saying these motors were making 300-330whp+ and laying waste to LSX cars.
10-25-2012, 02:55 PM
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LSx cars? That would be silly lol. OP does put down 300whp though. Makes sense considering the car weighs 35xx lbs in stock form.
10-27-2012, 09:46 AM
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Well there are sooooo many factors leading to a considerable improvement just with the car they way it is.
Tires were a pair of G-FORCE 245s at 25psi. Rear tires the stock ones at 32psi. Ambient temp of 75 and veeerry humid. Almost half a tank of gas. Did I mention my last pass was 13.7@104mph with only 5 mins before going back again? So no time for cool down, I didnt even shut the engine down.
I was playing it very conservative just to adjust according the cars behavior on the track. Yes it has 303whp un-tuned, I have the FIC that I have not installed yet just to hopefully get out of the car another 8-10whp.
Full interiors as well. So between lowering psi a little bit more, better ambient temp, and better 60ft. It is very easy to at least make the 105mph trap speed at 13.4 secs or so. On purpose I started with high psi on the front tires and work my way down. Can you believe that between my first pass of nearly 2.5secs 60ft and the 2.23 60ft there was 2mph of difference?
The car has the power specially with the 3.5L torque. All the factors mentioned above will contribute not only for the trap speed, but for the estimated time. Don't be surprised if very well driven we can pull a 13.3 out of it. Give me some time to get used to it, but it has all the ingredients to be running deep into the 13's with 105mph or above. Lets see when we fine tune it. I will be returning in January, right now I have to focus on the last 2 events for my 67mm Turbo Integra we are still number one on the IFO events of the south east region 9.25@164mph
Tires were a pair of G-FORCE 245s at 25psi. Rear tires the stock ones at 32psi. Ambient temp of 75 and veeerry humid. Almost half a tank of gas. Did I mention my last pass was 13.7@104mph with only 5 mins before going back again? So no time for cool down, I didnt even shut the engine down.
I was playing it very conservative just to adjust according the cars behavior on the track. Yes it has 303whp un-tuned, I have the FIC that I have not installed yet just to hopefully get out of the car another 8-10whp.
Full interiors as well. So between lowering psi a little bit more, better ambient temp, and better 60ft. It is very easy to at least make the 105mph trap speed at 13.4 secs or so. On purpose I started with high psi on the front tires and work my way down. Can you believe that between my first pass of nearly 2.5secs 60ft and the 2.23 60ft there was 2mph of difference?
The car has the power specially with the 3.5L torque. All the factors mentioned above will contribute not only for the trap speed, but for the estimated time. Don't be surprised if very well driven we can pull a 13.3 out of it. Give me some time to get used to it, but it has all the ingredients to be running deep into the 13's with 105mph or above. Lets see when we fine tune it. I will be returning in January, right now I have to focus on the last 2 events for my 67mm Turbo Integra we are still number one on the IFO events of the south east region 9.25@164mph
10-27-2012, 10:29 AM
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I do believe the car can go 105mph, but I think it's going to be mostly due to exceptional fall DA conditions and not adjusted tire pressures or other little things like that. I've done enough racing since 1996 with 13 and 14 second street cars to have a really good feel for what really improves the performance. With every street car I've ever owned, hot lapping has always resulted in the best ET/MPHs because lots of air is moved through the engine bay rather than waiting in line for 45+ minutes. Everything is up to temp and less of the motor should be heat soaked.
I think you should say screw it and find some 26" slicks mounted on 17lb 16X8 300ZX rims (5 X 114 pattern). Yank a 1.8 60 foot and get the title of fastest NA TL ever. I see upper 12s at 105-106mph. Just don't dump the clutch and you shouldn't snap a half-shaft.
10-27-2012, 01:11 PM
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If anything, your trap will actually drop a bit with a lower 60'. When you spin more, resulting in a higher 60' you're building a bit more momentum resulting in slightly higher traps. On slicks, you'll definitely lose some trap speed.
And on street tires, whether they're all seasons or summers I also think you'd be better off keeping the fronts up ~ 35 psi and air the backs right up to 40-42. You don't get any more traction dropping into the 20's and the stiffer backs should help a small amount by inhibiting weight transfer, where as the all around higher pressure will lower rolling resistance.
I'm sure you can see 105 in cooler weather and even 106 once you're tuned on the FIC. Your traps align pretty well with Type-S09 who was going 107 mph on ~320 whp.
If anything, your trap will actually drop a bit with a lower 60'. When you spin more, resulting in a higher 60' you're building a bit more momentum resulting in slightly higher traps. On slicks, you'll definitely lose some trap speed.
And on street tires, whether they're all seasons or summers I also think you'd be better off keeping the fronts up ~ 35 psi and air the backs right up to 40-42. You don't get any more traction dropping into the 20's and the stiffer backs should help a small amount by inhibiting weight transfer, where as the all around higher pressure will lower rolling resistance.
I'm sure you can see 105 in cooler weather and even 106 once you're tuned on the FIC. Your traps align pretty well with Type-S09 who was going 107 mph on ~320 whp.
10-27-2012, 01:52 PM
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Yea most likely your shift points were different on the runs. 60' and trap speed have little relevance to each other. All my traps (except for when I missed 4th) were within 0.32mph. Although all my 60's were within 0.15. Are you flat foot shifting? Shifting at redline?
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03-26-2013, 01:31 PM
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No worries bro..Will do so...I am sitll overseas going on break for the month of May and first week of June...
We can set up a meet in the area to go to the track...Working on some new mods for the car.
We can set up a meet in the area to go to the track...Working on some new mods for the car.
04-20-2013, 01:50 AM
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From what I have heard of, a 07-08 TL-S 6MT is a very low 14 second car with traps in the 101mph range. I don't think anyone has pulled off a high 13 yet but I believe the car is fully capable of it with the right driver as even a 08-12 Accord V6 6MT has been in the high 13's stock @ 102mph.
04-20-2013, 08:04 PM
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Eh, I think in the real world a Type S6 is a 99 mph car. One road test had it at 101 mph, but the rest had it at 99.xx. There was one guy on here a few years back that took his to the track and couldn't break 100, but came close. And with OP making around 50 whp over stock and trapping 103-104, it seems about right.
04-21-2013, 01:22 PM
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Eh, I think in the real world a Type S6 is a 99 mph car. One road test had it at 101 mph, but the rest had it at 99.xx. There was one guy on here a few years back that took his to the track and couldn't break 100, but came close. And with OP making around 50 whp over stock and trapping 103-104, it seems about right.
04-21-2013, 04:10 PM
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A TL 6MT with street/drag slicks ran 13.9 101 a few years ago... don't think he has a repeat but all his runs were near 12 flat. Car was a FBO
04-21-2013, 08:14 PM
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04-22-2013, 08:04 AM
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^ Yea, that's the quickest stock motor NA 3G TL so far. I think he had I/Full exhaust/Port work, not sure of any weight reduction.
Same dude also went 13.3 @ 105 in his CL-s. Same mods but heads ported, which is where the 2mph came in I assume. That was on a 1.8 60ft.
Same dude also went 13.3 @ 105 in his CL-s. Same mods but heads ported, which is where the 2mph came in I assume. That was on a 1.8 60ft.
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04-24-2013, 09:58 PM
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A stock TLS on 26" slicks should go mid 13s@100-102mph. Easy button pushed. You'll be "that one guy" that holds the fastest stock TL/TLS record. Will have nutswingers galore. Profit. Epic. Potato chips.
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05-20-2013, 04:03 PM
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I just recently ran at the track. Here is my mod list.
My mod list:
2007 TL Type-S 6spd 105,611 miles
Ingen Cold Air Intake
Stage 4 exhaust mod (no resonator or mid muffler)
ASpec suspension
Volk TE37 17x7.5 w/25mm spacers
Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 235/45/17
I was able to pull a 13.7@102mph 2.105 60' foot
My mod list:
2007 TL Type-S 6spd 105,611 miles
Ingen Cold Air Intake
Stage 4 exhaust mod (no resonator or mid muffler)
ASpec suspension
Volk TE37 17x7.5 w/25mm spacers
Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 235/45/17
I was able to pull a 13.7@102mph 2.105 60' foot
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05-21-2013, 07:29 AM
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I posted it in the quarter mile sticky. The exhaust mod is just for sound I know I don't gain HP, but it is a modification from a stock car so I listed it.
05-24-2013, 02:21 AM
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