TVL65

The TL's are land Yachts. I did initially pull away from the BMW and stayed in it but was pulled in like a magnet was reeling me in. PATHETIC. Thats why I don't play around or race anyone.

anx1300c

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Lol, ok. Have you ever gone to an actual track and seen the cars in question run? I have. The G37 coupes have trouble trapping 101, with stock 335i's solidly in the 103-104 range, sometimes 105.

Sonnick

for MEKO to say an Accord could never beat him

BEAR-AvHistory

Everybody has a friend of a friend who's TL etc. ect. ect. If most of these friends weren't imaginary or wishful thinking a lot more TL’s would be showing up at Drag Times with good numbers.

Drag Times list the slowest 335i, a convertible, on page 13 car #250 did 13.9 @ 99.8. My car which is only middle of the pack is on page 7 & car #128 on the list, hardly a heavy hitter to write home about.

By comparison the closest TL to the last place 335i is #5 on the two page Acura list. There are a few guys here at Acurazine faster then the last place 335i but the odds of all these friends we hear about thumping the 335i with their TL does not compute.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the fastest TL listed would make page 11 & car #202 if it was on the 335i list.

MEKO

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I am not in for talking "track" runs
That's not my experience nor mentioned it on my posts

Talk about what I mentioned
Time, conditions and road
or ask why I am thinking at that second MY car was at perfect tone to run
NOT saying other TL's are fast as mine

Didn't even read the long posts ^ after I saw "track"
Change of topic

MEKO

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Heard that about MT Accords but never had a experience with that
Some say it did beat TL-S but I never go with what people says on this AZ, I won't say ohh my car won't even keep up with it. Have to test and see

I don't go with numbers too.

Sonnick

True Bear.....but at the same time, the 335 is much more mod friendly than the TL. Not really a comparable car, but you knew that; hence your skepticism on most of these stories. I know what point you are trying to make

MEKO: You're right, numbers aren't everything, but yhey can paint a pretty good picture when 'analyzed' correctly with equal drivers. The only way I see your 07 TL-s keeping up with a 335i is if it's 6spd. Which it's not, judging by your "55mph in the sweet spot of 2nd" claim. No one is saying it didn't happen, it's just not the norm and probably won't happen again.

BEAR-AvHistory

Yep & mine has light mods.

Thing is I am not down on TL’s just on the associated BS about what cars they are putting down & how quick they are compared to cars that are actually quick. As some of you may know I had a 2006 6MT from 2006 till 2011 which was a very nice car.

That being said it had a real hard time matching my 2004 330 ZHP 6MT in any number of runs over a number of years. The TL won on occasion but it want not the norm even though the cars were pretty evenly matched with the TL having a power advantage. It did not matter if we switched drivers the 330 was always easier to launch & drive well.

MEKO

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Yeah it all depends.
I tried to keep up with a S5, what happend is after 115 he drove away.
That shouldn't be the actuall point we compare cars here. nor the tracks or drag races.

TL is slow but when it comes to numbers but I won't say that for my car. Again depends on the condition.

Had a way more clear run with R32 than that 335 on one night.
He slowed down to a nice spot I liked...2nd gear
both floored it and couldn't get in front of me even once
It was 08 one

Ask me or anyone about it
All I would say is that 250HP small beast would take it easly.

but I feel like that's shouldn't be the point, when we talk about it here
3G TL is a different car unlike Germans
That's why I love it
You feel everything on that car and smallest things effect the car

Do I like or care about drag race? No
Road is different, that's the place you test and feel the car.
I don't care about top speed as well.
How i kept up with a corvette in light trafic at NJ gives me fun and makes me love my car.

I didn't learn driving in track or drag..never been there. Roads are real to me.
Well.. not talking about US, here roads are like driving in a parking lot in Europe

MEKO

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Ohh 335 with light mods does become a beast
Friend had a crazy one, never drove it butttt the pull on that car from 0 was just amazing!!! Body becomes one with the seat

snowtrax

There's something wrong here. Either he wasn't trying or he doesn't know how to shift. There's no way a G37 can beat an older TL.

MEKO

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Thats for sure
I say its a g25 with g35 badge

NWSTL

I don't even know what to say, where to begin, etc. with that.

Are you recognizing that the only way you kept up is because there was traffic? I hope so. Otherwise it's like the episode of Top Gear where they tested a Prius all out against a M3 just keeping pace. The M got better gas mileage because it was working half as hard.

MEKO

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Serious?

paperboy42190

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i thought hondas are supposed to be fast...

alexSU

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ez12a

^not really. 0-60 times for a 6MT TL-S and a 8th gen accord 6MT are about the same. "whops" is an exaggeration. At that point it will come down to weight and driver skill.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ons.html?ti=v3

for a FWD, both are fairly fast, along with the base 04-06 6MT being only a few .1s off of that.

paperboy42190

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I seriously dont know why people say TL's are so "slow", yes automatics are not good for performance but my automatic TL-S can beat modded 8th gen civic SI's, GTI's, and can stay with G35's. you just need to know what gear you have to be in for the race. I can definitely hold my own from a dig with my michelin PS2 summer performance tires. but yea dont race in a hot summer day, the TL heatsoaks like no other. when its cold outside, the TL is plenty fast enough for me. doesnt anyone remember the japanese drift king who drove the TL-s on willow springs racetrack and spanked an IS350 and G35? That shows that it's people who cant drive the car, not the car is slow.(automatics still require precise shifting with manual mode!)

BEAR-AvHistory

Because its not 2004 anymore when the TL 6MT was considered hot. Today there are just too many 11 & 12 second daily drivers available to think about a 14 second car as being quick. Its still a very nice car but time has changed the playing field.

Even the G-37 has lost its edge. In a recent C&D 3 coupe test an Audi TT did 12.1 X 113, a BMW 135 13.0 X 109 & the G-37 13.9 X 104.

BEAR-AvHistory

Running with Corvettes in Jersey puts this thread solidly into Fantasy Land. I drove a big block coupe back & forth from the Jersey Shore to Wall St. for about 20 years & any number of re-engines. Car was run at Englishtown on weekends & I am pretty sure a TL could not hang onto my bumper.

anx1300c

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He has an '06 base with an intake; not sure which transmission.

How can this be said when he never stated what generation Vette? Although we never went head to head, I consistently ran quicker/faster all day long over a '93 LT1 Vette.

ez12a

indeed. I test drove a late model Corvette once and even though it wasnt even a 1/4 mile of straight line acceleration, it's enough to give me the feeling of a roller coaster. It's fast. And it was an automatic.

it was at this event:

luis04tl

i see many of you guys cant drive ur TL or TL-s right!!!
TL's are not the fastest but they move fairly quick for their size and weight..i have done made some people mad with their 'fast' cars. Learn to drive your cars!!!!! :p
Tl's are for pimpin anyways drive low and slow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NWSTL

Good point. I guess I just assumed C5 or C6 since those are more common now.

ignition_key

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I should have been a bit more precise. The TL-S I raced was AT not 6mt, and I did beat it by quite a margin.

Now a 3rd gen 6MT TL Type-S and 6MT 8th Gen Accord would be a very tight race (depending on driver)

Sonnick

Bear, show me where a bone stock 135 went 13.0 @109mph in anything other than -3000ft DA conditions. Lol.

BEAR-AvHistory

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-g-coupe-1.pdf

anx1300c

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Yeah, 109 mph is 1 Series M trappage. (I just made up a new word)

135 is like 104-105?

anx1300c

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That TT RS is badass. Do want.

Audi also seems to have really started to underrate their hp outputs as of late.

BEAR-AvHistory

My bad I should have said 135is, new model for 2013, its out now.

Vasher

The '13 135is gives up 15hp and (most importantly) 53 lb-ft tq to the 1M. It won't put up the same numbers in stock form. Cool car though.

About toying with people, Not my thing. I like crushing dreams and ending all hope right from the start. That way I don't get bothered by them trying to run again.

I've been waiting for the "Stock TL auto destroys TT Lambo" post. Come on Meko, tell us all about it.

MEKO

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Nahh not interested in stuff talked here.
You guys think different. I am sorry
Go ahead and talk about numbers. I won't, neither about a car s 15HP that I didn't even saw of

Some people has to drive more on roads to get some ideas..
Can't keep up with a Corvette Really!!! Didn't know that
How many HP does Corvette has?
Isn't 320HP?

Come on gets, come on
This form is not for noobs.
People here should know what they are talking about.
If the point is just to throw useless posts...don't take up space

Go on a light traffic that you can't pass 50 or something
and try to see what 200HP car could do to 500HP
It's not the point of top speed
Weight is important too did you guys know

Sorry but can't go this low on this thread to explain stuff.
People would laugh at these conversations at where I came from but I am trying to make it clear so some people gets the logic
You guys have fun.

"I've been waiting for the "Stock TL auto destroys TT Lambo" post. Come on Meko, tell us all about it."

Too noob dude. Can't even waste my time on that
Can't waste time to explain you driving nor comparing cars...

I mean come on guys for god sake
Have some respect or if not don't take up space with nonsense post just to say something

Just because of this kind of people on this form, I expaling everything when I run with someother guy.
They won't belive you, no respect.

And some smart comes and says, hey it's 330HP you can't keep upu with that
Oh really

Now what can you explain to this people. Waste of time
May be because I come from different place and to us these are easy to capture and compare but not here.

You guys have fun, seriously it's just that I am not interested on talking about cars numbers or what, how they do on track.
That's why stepping away

This started with an experience topic and moved to numbers, track. But if one doesn't know it, won't get it anyway

NWSTL

The base C6 has 400/400, which is 150 more than the TL and still weighs 250 pounds less. As far as the rest of your post, please rewrite it or put it in Google translate.

BEAR-AvHistory

First looks show 13.2 X 106 for the 135is, not to bad. Its really hard to say what the horspower spread is because BMW plays with the numbers to suit its marketing requirements. On three pure stock base line dyno pulls my 335is did 319 320 & 320 which would put the crank horsepower well over the advertised number. I expect its the same for the 1M.

Speeking of whacking a Lambo.

Vasher

Solid numbers. I know the average 335is stock dyno is around 300-310, under rated for sure. BMW did this so that the 35's wouldn't step on the toes of the M's. My car is underrated for the same reason. Stock dyno's are 433whp/410wtq

Safe driving

Deerole

I believe it. I ran a G37 n he got his handed to him. granted i do have a number of mods. Even still, if you look at the numbers the g37 coupe is slower then the sedan...i dont get that but thats how Infiniti did it. When i see them i dont hesitate to press out.

TylerT

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I'll play around with G37 Coupes, especially convertibles, any time of the week .

Sedan w/ 6MT / 7AT, forget about it.

One thing VQs have over the J is low end torque, I doubt you caught him out of the wrong gear ... perhaps he was hauling 400 pounds of cinder blocks?

BEAR-AvHistory

433whp is very good....I though stock dynos were closer to 400-410whp

880

Nah I like toying with people. Then they post here and claim to "hang" with a CTS-V or something....

880

So you have cai and exhaust and took down a G37?