tee_el

Had the s/c installed about a week ago.
First run with a G37S, lost by 2 1/2 car at 100mph

Fixed a boost leak and added a boost guage.
Second dig run, TL up by half a car at 100mph
3rd and 4th run - 20 roll - TL up by 1 car 100mph
5th run - 40 roll - TL up by 1 car mph

First run with 335i coupe dig run - TL up by a nose at 100mph
second run at 40 mph - dead even

video from g37 will be up after i edit out driver and plates
no vid from 335 cuz owner wants a rematch after flash tune. LOL

paperboy42190

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how much you making with the s/c?

alexSU

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Nice runs!

335i with a tune = destroyed! lol

justnspace

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he has a custom exhaust with PCD's...
so, i'm assuming any where around 320-350.

once i get my car running, I'm down to race him. even tho he'd pull on my 241 horsies

BEAR-AvHistory

Not if he is just even or slightly faster then a 335. If the 335 is stock it would be doing well to generate 275/280whp.

tee_el

292 whp 239tq before gutted cats. And Texas heat 103 F.
Transmission cooler, meth kit and aem fic tune next. Maybe Rdx injectors and ported sc and ported head. Hbp

^sounds expensive... I can just add 50 shot wet direct since there's a hole for a nozzle already. Btw, I like it the way it is for a dd

justnspace

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thanks bear, i was just assuming.

holy crap, that means if he and I race, we'll be close.

tee_el, are you coming to the meet today?
and once i get my car running, lets line em up!!!!

tee_el

I Have stuff to do around 5. I'll try to come out around 8pm and get some fun runs in.

BEAR-AvHistory

Normal for stock 335's on a Dynojet with 93 octane is 28Xwhp & the 335is 319whp. 91 octane will drop about 10-12whp from both. The turbos are both very octane sensitive & will tank on bad gas, excess rpm or very hot weather.

A base JB4 with no other mods on 94 octane should bring both over 365whp & with a 50/50 mix of 93 & E85 about 400whp.

I dynoed 319whp pure stock & 365whp on the old JB4 Map2 with 93/94 octane. The new 335is specific 94 octane custom Map 6 is more powerful but I have not either dynoed it or timed it at the track yet. Best time from a guy I know with the identical car on E85 mix is 12.2/116mph. I run either a 93/100 - 75/25% mix on Map 6 or 93/E85 - 70/30% mix on Map 5 (E85).

Will dyno the new maps & fuel mixes in the fall when it cools down. I have also added a larger FMIC since the dyno runs.

About running the other car the unknown part is the torque spread, 335 has more then the S/C car, the S/C car will have more then you & how it effects a standing start or a rolling start.

Although the super charged car will have more torque then you its effect will be really be felt by what RPM it comes it at. In the case of the 335 its all in by 1700-1800rpm which is why they can be tuff off the line if they don’t break traction.

At any rate the S/C car should have more top end & an advantage from a roll over you. Be interesting to hear how you make out, it should be fun for both of you. It would also be nice to see the S/C cars dyno sheet to see when the S/C really starts to generate power.

tee_el

Yeah I'm pretty sure after the tune he should beat me. I'm just really surprised how well the sc tl has improved. My goal was to bring the 5at to mid 13s. From the street run with these two mid 13s. I'm pretty confident achieving this when I hit the track.
I will have new dyno pics after all my cooling mods and fixes (control arm busing, eng mounts, etc) make this car new again.

BEAR-AvHistory

You should have a very good shot - some Comptech S/C TL's are in the low 13's. Good Luck

damnboy37

Good kills & nice set up

anx1300c

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Those are 6MT's though, with 325-330 whp and I believe traps ~ 107-108 mph. I'm guessing 13.70's @ ~103, corrected. OP, is your car tuned? I think you're leaving quite a bit on the table.

tee_el

No, just the acm. I'm still looking for something better than emanage and aem but doesn't cost 1500 like jnr.
Pcd and true dual keeping j pipe same length, 2 1/4 all the way back.
Full interior with 15 lb bowling ball, golf set in trunk, 2 case (24 -12ozbottles of sauce that I mfg, and maybe 35 lb computer iPad brochures docs etc)
19 inch wheels... 17 would be better

Nothing special about my launch, brake and gas to 1500 rpm, keep in L, shift at 47mph and leave it in D

tee_el

I read about one sc 5at with a 14.4 1/4mile pass. Did he ever improve his time or do any additional upgrade?

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree so 1/2 second back would have tee_el meet his goal of mid 13.

tee_el

Half a second is a lot. I would additional 30 whp and good traction.
I was hitting mid 13s with 75shot nos. I don't see why I'm not there with the sc now.

Sonnick

The 5AT's are about a half second back from a well driven 6MT. I agree with Anx, I see a high 13 @101-103. I'd even say 103 may be high, no offense. The car would probably be faster on the 75 shot TBH.

I pulled my buddies full bolt on S/C 7G Accord V6 by 2 cars or so over a year ago from several 40 rolls. He had a passenger and I was solo, but the AT really holds the car back.

BEAR-AvHistory

One guy is listed with a 5AT using both a N2O 50 shot & a Comptech with a 13.1/107 while a 6MT without N2O is running 13.3/107 both on drag radials. Thing is the low 4/5psi boost on the Comptech alone, without N2O will make the car quicker then stock but not by much as might be expected.

My boost averages 15.5psi with the limit set @ 17psi. Stock boost for my car is around 10-12psi. The really fast 335 guys with meth additive are running 18/20psi or more with top boost around 22psi.

Its very hard to generate high boost in a motor that was not designed for it because of the danger of breaking things internally.

tee_el

Eh, I'm thinking 13.7-13.9 as well considering the past results I've seen on the forum.
I'll stay away from n20 for now and try to max out the s/c 5at and see if I can get a low 13 pass on the 1/4 mile. I will gladly take the fastest s/c 5at non type S title. LOL

vhtran

^ Man, you got me confused for few seconds with your n20. I thought you were talking about the new BMW N20 engine.

anx1300c

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I think there's a 5AT S/C TL on Youtube that ran 14.0 @ 105 mph. Traction was obviously an issue, but 105 is surprisingly high IMO. Could've been cool weather and a fast track.

DIRTYJOHN

I did a 12.7 on a 125 shot wet with a automatic TL. . PCD, JPIPE,Exhaust cutout, intake, Spacer, Pulley, 255walbro, some other crap. I was on 225/18 Mickey thompson. Custom Axle, and supported pins and clutch pack in the tranny. I think i couldve have done better. Afterward i up to a 150 shot but never got a time.. I think for quick power, i would go with nitrous. The car is still up and running right now on the same motor. I just got 2 new project. A silver TL and a 2001 CL-s.. Planning to go turbo and nitrous this time around..

Yonkersracing

From a roll def, the auto holds it back, did you run him from a dig? Not questioning your cars capabilities, but I think the S/C setup if it's at 5-7psi would be right around where a 75shot of nitrous in the car would be. Not to mention, he had an extra passenger. :P I would suggest he upgrades some things on the car though, a S/C setup only running 2 1/4 inch exhaust all the way back is really restricting potential power. More boost isn't always better, efficient boost is better, so by upgrading the exhaust he might lose a few PSI but power will stay the same, if not increase and then he could always go smaller pulley for more boost.

Ahhh, can't wait for The Chief_914 to throw his JRSC on, gonna have so much fun playing around with that thing!!

DIRTYJOHN

I am the person who built the exhaust for this car.. I dont think his exhaust is restrictive at all.. Just imagine PCD, True dual to xpipe and true dual all the way out with magna flow straight through performance. IMO i think if i go any bigger, I would lose alot of back pressure.

Yonkersracing

To put it into perspective Sonnick is running a 3 inch catback making 270whp out of a NA 3.0L. I just think a FI car would benefit from at least upgrading to 2.5 inch exhaust.

Sonnick

^ He was running a Tanabe exhaust, which if I'm not mistaken is only ~60mm (2.36"). So yea, it definitely wasn't all it could be. It was definitely a quick car (and gorgeous btw), not taking anything away from it. Oh, and I believe most of the S/C setups are only pushing 3-4psi. I could be wrong but that's what I remember.

And the passenger was not enough to make up 2 cars

DIRTYJOHN

When i did a true dual with 2 1/2 pipe, i felt alot of low end power missing..

High end power was ok.. It was inconsistent. I feel a bigger difference with 2 1/4 piping to each 3 cyl.



When i turbo the Tl, i am going to go with single three inch.. all the way to the back.

Yonkersracing

A lot of people say that but it is one of the biggest myths out there. Maybe you felt better mid range because you were makiing more boost with the restrictive exhaust, thus give yielding better mid range power. All I can finish this up with is that I guarantee, you would make more power by upgrading your exhaust...everywhere. And I know for a fact that if i was running a 60mm 2.36inch exhaust on my car instead of the 70mm 2.75inch I'd be making less power and this is a 2.0L NA 4 cylinder w/ stock internals.

BEAR-AvHistory

Have not seen anything over 5psi.

DIRTYJOHN

u have to understand, yours is a 4cyl and u have a single exhaust. stock tl has a jpipe that connects two little pipe together and going out to a 2.25 stock piping..

I rem when i had a rsx-s Turbo. I did a 4" downpipe to a straight 3.5 pipe back with a tune on e85. Made 500hp easy.

Imagine each three cyl with 2.25 all the way to the back! Connect to a real x pipe. thats almost a total of a single 4.50 piping.


IDK maybe Im so use to doing it over and over and over. I get your point though.. Ive seen all motor build with bigger exhaust make some really nice power and then ive seen FI build with small exhaust always popping manifos, or intake manifo because of back pressure..

Sonnick

Agreed. If I'm not mistaken though, I think he was all motor. And John, dual 2.5" pipes wouldn't necessarily cause you to 'lose' torque, just shift the powerband to the right. Not sure why you would even considering going with a 2.5" true dual setup on this car all motor.

And yea, the K20 needs 70-76mm with full bolt ons. It's a motor that loves air. I made power going to a 3" exhaust as well.

John, don't you have an Accord 6 speed on spray? Or that was your cousin's car? Has he been to the track? Apologies for the semi-hijack.

DIRTYJOHN

i have one and so does my cousin... We havent had the time to take it to the track, but maybe mid september.. BEen really busyy at work.. I will definitely get a time sheet for u asap and PM u with it..

TLove It!

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^Correct. Without a High Boost Pulley 5lbs is even somewhat rare and is the limit according to CT Engineering.

BostonSilverTypeS

hmm strange I would think a S/C TL 5at would trap higher then 102 at least...I mean I trap 102mph and I have only full bolt-ons exhaust side and JnR Tune...Granted the TypeS us 3.5L vs 3.2L but still that is wasteful to put a supercharger in if you can only get 102-103 trap speeds! IMHO....but then again there are more things you can do to get the most out of the S/C so I can see where it could be benificial as well.....damn can't say this enough but 5at's are garbage!!! (Yes including my UA7 5at lol)

justnspace

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mr. tee_el, i cant wait to get my car up and running.

I want to run!

tee_el

Yeah, I'm waiting for you so I can make a vid. We'll have a v6 accord on spray. Dirty TL on Spray, my 5at s/c and your 6mt TL full bolt on. oh and a stock 5at

After that, I'll make videos of other cars. They always stop by the DirtyJohn's shop. s2k, g35, genesis turbo, sti, evo, etc. just let me know what you want me to line up with and I'll set it up.

BostonSilverTypeS

^ line up with anything that you feel you can take or have a good race with and make sure it is def on video!!! Sounds like some good races are coming up fast!