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Old 10-19-2016, 12:41 AM
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07 TL-S losing to stock 16 VW GTI

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been on these forums for quite some time now laying low and just gathering information. I finally pulled the trigger on a ASM 07 type s TL with 129k miles. Car has been great lately other than a small fault with the APP sensor. Just wondering why I'm losing to my friend with 210 hp and same torque as us from a roll around 15 mph.. his gti cant keep up with me in 1st and 2nd but once I hit 3rd he's gone.. I'm using paddle shifters and shifting right before redline. If someone could enlighten me on if I'm supposed to be losing to these? Or I'm doing something wrong that would be great. Thank you.
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Having the same torque numbers or Crank HP numbers doesn't mean you guys are equal.

Weight is a big factor. Gearing is also a factor. A 200/200 car weighing 3500lb vs a 200/200 car weighing 2500lb, who do you think will win? Assuming everything else equal, both same gear ratios and transmission, the lighter car will win.

You lost because the GTI has an excellent DSG 6 speed gearbox, and is also lighter, while you have a slushbox geared for fuel economy. I have a 5AT UA7 too, third gear sucks, after 3rd gear, it's time to shed tears.

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His car is 600lbs lighter and has a real gearbox. Also, stop street racing.
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also, have you seen what 2015 has brought to the table??????
2015 has to be one of the best years for cars, great year to purchase a 700hp beast.

what I'm trying to say is; new cars employ new technology that will completely leave your car in the dust.

in the example you provided; you're the underdog.
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i beat one the other night and i also beat a newer si along with a mazda3 speed turbo with a plate that said boosted lol the mazda gave me a run for my money dead even i pulled him to about 110mph then he caught back up then i pulled him again and passed him but from a 20mph roll and 40 i won but 60 he did
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That GTi has a short gear manual, you have a slushbox with paddle shifts.
His car has 258lbs torque the TLS has 256lbs torque
He gets his torque way earlier then you in the RPM band
His GTI weights the same as the TLS if you add 3 fat friends to his car.
So with all that said he should be smoking you from 15mph roll or dead stops.
Very dangerous but if you race him from a 50mph and on it will be very close
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Yeah for idiots doing 110 racing people. Woohoo!!
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Yeah for idiots doing 110 racing people. Woohoo!!
Hey now, I used to do that in my old Maxima. Then I turned 19 and stopped
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I feel Darwinism will take care of some of these guys. Let's just hope their Darwin moves don't impact anyone else.
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GTI is turbo and hits peak torque way down low in the rpm range. By the time the TL hits it's peak power in the power curve, that GTI is already putting down the same power, 3000rpm earlier.

Plus it weighs less.
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Yeah for idiots doing 110 racing people. Woohoo!!
its usually 40-140 20-120 60-160 have you never heard of those rolls ? id be glad to share my youtube with 900hp cars and 300hp turbo motorcycles
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Originally Posted by D-Ramey View Post
its usually 40-140 20-120 60-160 have you never heard of those rolls ? id be glad to share my youtube with 900hp cars and 300hp turbo motorcycles
I dont think that's what he was talking about......
also good way to humble brag!
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Originally Posted by D-Ramey View Post
its usually 40-140 20-120 60-160 have you never heard of those rolls ? id be glad to share my youtube with 900hp cars and 300hp turbo motorcycles


why not do it rather than just suggest it...
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Hi all,
been on these forums for quite some time now laying low and just gathering information. I finally pulled the trigger on a ASM 07 type s TL with 129k miles. Car has been great lately other than a small fault with the APP sensor. Just wondering why I'm losing to my friend with 210 hp and same torque as us from a roll around 15 mph.. his gti cant keep up with me in 1st and 2nd but once I hit 3rd he's gone.. I'm using paddle shifters and shifting right before redline. If someone could enlighten me on if I'm supposed to be losing to these? Or I'm doing something wrong that would be great. Thank you.
you are asking this when you bought a front wheel drive entry level luxury car?
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OP you just need to do more research on the race itself, HP does matter however many other factors count like power to weight ratio, torque band, power band, drive train layout, gearing ratio. Like someone above mention the TL tech is kinda outdated already even back in it day, 5spd AT while most other car using 6spd another thing is car using direct injection.
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you are asking this when you bought a front wheel drive entry level luxury car?
if you really have nothing useful to say why do you even reply? Thanks everyone else for the help but just found out he's stage 1
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What is the elevation of your town?
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ITT: people pretending they've never done anything dangerous on the road.

The GTI has a considerably lower weight, and probably has different gear ratios.
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ITT: people pretending they've never done anything dangerous on the road.
I have never raced anyone to 100+ on the public roads. Never done anything dangerous? Never said that...you are correct that we are all guilty of at least something.
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OP, you need NOS. One of the big ones. Actually, let's make it two. And OP, you need it by tonight.
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ITT: people pretending they've never done anything dangerous on the road.
I'll admit I lit a mortar firework and launched it out the passenger window. I'm pretty sure everyone who sat in the car has lung cancer now.
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