GM Out of the IRL
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GM Out of the IRL
Not worth the Cost: Chevy decides to drop its IRL program after the 2005 season
Posted Date: 11/4/04
General Motors officials finally decided that the reward of being in the Indy Racing League wasn’t worth the cost.
In a decision expected for months (and maybe since Toyota and Honda joined the IRL prior to the 2003 season), GM announced Nov. 3 that it will not extend the contract to keep its Chevrolet brand in Tony George’s series. The 2005 season will be Chevy’s last.
Honda and Toyota previously announced commitments to remain in the IRL through 2006.
GM Racing director Doug Duchardt cited television ratings and event attendance that were either “flat or down” as reasons why GM is pulling out. Another reason is Honda’s massive investment that produced 14 wins in 16 events in the 2004 season, including the top-five three of the championship standings.
“Bottom line, it is what it is,” Duchardt said.
Said IRL official Ken Ungar: “While we are disappointed, we understand that General Motors has to deal with its own competitive issues, both on and off the track.”
This much we know about Chevy in 2005: Panther Racing, the closest thing GM has to a factory team, will remain with the engine manufacturer through the close of business. With Pat Patrick in charge, Patrick Racing likely will do the same. After that, who knows. Cheever Racing and Dreyer & Reinbold Racing also used Chevys in the 2004 season, but team officials said they have not made decisions regarding 2005.
GM was one of the IRL’s original engine manufacturers when the first equipment package debuted in 1997. GM’s engines, then badged as Oldsmobile, dominated Nissan’s Infinitis by winning the first 34 races.
Since Toyota and Honda came on board, Chevy hasn’t been able to keep pace. The manufacturer hasn’t won a race or a pole in more than a year, and its drivers led only 40 laps in 2004. Chevy won only three races in 2003, all with its two-time league champion, Sam Hornish Jr.
It is conceivable that Chevy’s engineering partner, Cosworth, which is for sale, will continue supplying IRL engines in 2006 if it finds an auto manufacturer to align with. Duchardt said GM is not interested in joining the Champ Car World Series, which has Ford as its lone engine supplier.
Posted Date: 11/4/04
General Motors officials finally decided that the reward of being in the Indy Racing League wasn’t worth the cost.
In a decision expected for months (and maybe since Toyota and Honda joined the IRL prior to the 2003 season), GM announced Nov. 3 that it will not extend the contract to keep its Chevrolet brand in Tony George’s series. The 2005 season will be Chevy’s last.
Honda and Toyota previously announced commitments to remain in the IRL through 2006.
GM Racing director Doug Duchardt cited television ratings and event attendance that were either “flat or down” as reasons why GM is pulling out. Another reason is Honda’s massive investment that produced 14 wins in 16 events in the 2004 season, including the top-five three of the championship standings.
“Bottom line, it is what it is,” Duchardt said.
Said IRL official Ken Ungar: “While we are disappointed, we understand that General Motors has to deal with its own competitive issues, both on and off the track.”
This much we know about Chevy in 2005: Panther Racing, the closest thing GM has to a factory team, will remain with the engine manufacturer through the close of business. With Pat Patrick in charge, Patrick Racing likely will do the same. After that, who knows. Cheever Racing and Dreyer & Reinbold Racing also used Chevys in the 2004 season, but team officials said they have not made decisions regarding 2005.
GM was one of the IRL’s original engine manufacturers when the first equipment package debuted in 1997. GM’s engines, then badged as Oldsmobile, dominated Nissan’s Infinitis by winning the first 34 races.
Since Toyota and Honda came on board, Chevy hasn’t been able to keep pace. The manufacturer hasn’t won a race or a pole in more than a year, and its drivers led only 40 laps in 2004. Chevy won only three races in 2003, all with its two-time league champion, Sam Hornish Jr.
It is conceivable that Chevy’s engineering partner, Cosworth, which is for sale, will continue supplying IRL engines in 2006 if it finds an auto manufacturer to align with. Duchardt said GM is not interested in joining the Champ Car World Series, which has Ford as its lone engine supplier.
GM was one of the IRL’s original engine manufacturers when the first equipment package debuted in 1997. GM’s engines, then badged as Oldsmobile, dominated Nissan’s Infinitis by winning the first 34 races.
Since Toyota and Honda came on board, Chevy hasn’t been able to keep pace. The manufacturer hasn’t won a race or a pole in more than a year, and its drivers led only 40 laps in 2004. Chevy won only three races in 2003, all with its two-time league champion, Sam Hornish Jr.
Since Toyota and Honda came on board, Chevy hasn’t been able to keep pace. The manufacturer hasn’t won a race or a pole in more than a year, and its drivers led only 40 laps in 2004. Chevy won only three races in 2003, all with its two-time league champion, Sam Hornish Jr.
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
I think they do pretty well making engines. Maybe not in the IRL, but in NASCAR they are number #1.
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
I think they do pretty well making engines. Maybe not in the IRL, but in NASCAR they are number #1.
But GM doesn't make Nascar engines. The team is responsible for building the engine. Ever see a driver interviewed after a race? He says " I wanna thank so and so for building me a great engine" Its never "thank GM" its always someone by name
And when your competition is Ford and Chrysler how can we possibly know if the engine is any good. Lets throw Honda in there and see how good those GM Nascar engines are.
If there's one thing Honda can do, its make a race engine
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
I would love to see Honda get into NASCAR. Toyota has already started in the CTS. Maybe Honda can start in the Busch Series.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
well it's not like Honda or Toyota are in NASCAR to give them any competition.
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Originally Posted by domn
But GM doesn't make Nascar engines. The team is responsible for building the engine. Ever see a driver interviewed after a race? He says " I wanna thank so and so for building me a great engine" Its never "thank GM" its always someone by name
Originally Posted by domn
And when your competition is Ford and Chrysler how can we possibly know if the engine is any good. Lets throw Honda in there and see how good those GM Nascar engines are.
If there's one thing Honda can do, its make a race engine
If there's one thing Honda can do, its make a race engine
I would love to see Honda in NASCAR. As far as I know, Honda does not have any plans right now to enter NASCAR. The cheapest route to get into NASCAR would be the CTS, but Honda has only just come out with a "truck."
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
How funny would it be to see an NSX out there racing against some rolling billboards.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
How funny would it be to see an NSX out there racing against some rolling billboards.
As for the rolling billboards, it is almost the same as in the IRL, CART, F1. They all have their primary sponsor and then the secondary sponsors.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
The problem is that the NSX might get run over because the NASCAR driver couldn't see it.
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
How do you mean this? Too fast, too small, too slow? I cant imagine a NSX on the banks of Talladega.
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Originally Posted by majormojo
I can't imagine an NSX with a solid rear axle and a carburetor.
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Interesting article on NASCAR "technology" I read a while ago:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
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Originally Posted by majormojo
Interesting article on NASCAR "technology" I read a while ago:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1
Heres another link for those of you not too familiar with NASCAR:
http://www.nascar.com/kyn/nascar_101/
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I think the stock cars have to be RWD just like they are in NASCAR... c'mon Honda...you can do it!!!
I think the stock cars have to be RWD just like they are in NASCAR... c'mon Honda...you can do it!!!
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
?! Monte Carlos and Taruses (Tauri?) aren't RWD...
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
How funny would it be to see an NSX out there racing against some rolling billboards.
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Originally Posted by sauceman
It would be overkill IMO. NSXs can actually turn left AND right. Just not fair man... Show some sympathy!
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Originally Posted by sauceman
It would be overkill IMO. NSXs can actually turn left AND right. Just not fair man... Show some sympathy!
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Originally Posted by majormojo
The NSX would be at a disadvantage against cars that are optimized for turning left. :P
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
Actually, NASCAR does race at two road tracks during the season, Watkins Glen and Sonoma. And if you really want to get technical, the drivers have to turn right to get out of their pit stalls.
And I always get a kick out of watching Ron Fellows hop in and whoop their asses.
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Originally Posted by sauceman
You do know they have to build completely different cars for those 2 races, don't you?
And I always get a kick out of watching Ron Fellows hop in and whoop their asses.
And I always get a kick out of watching Ron Fellows hop in and whoop their asses.
Ron Fellows pwns other nascar drivers...especially when he's in a DEI car
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Originally Posted by sauceman
You do know they have to build completely different cars for those 2 races, don't you?