Formula One: 2024 Season News and Discussion Thread
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Hamilton must have seen a preview of the new Mercedes last week and said "woops, another dud" and phoned Vasseur on speed dial.
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Prior to getting into it more seriously, if you asked me, without much F1 knowledge, it would be McLaren that I'd have jumped at driving for. Not knowing much about the teams at the time.
Coming back into it in 2014, Ferrari, Williams & McLaren were the only ones I could've named offhand.
Coming back into it in 2014, Ferrari, Williams & McLaren were the only ones I could've named offhand.
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Just wondering if during 2023, Hamilton saw the return of James Allison as Technical Director and knows what direction MB was heading in technically from a chassis/powertrain and thought Ferrari had a better future car? AFAIK Rory Bryne is still consulting at Ferrari, He was primarily responsible for design of the 2000's Ferrari's, his role today is very consultatory in chassis design.
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FWIW, Hamilton had ALOT of issues with the 2022 MB W13 car zero-sidepod concept. It was draggy, low downforce, had lots of porposing. He expressed his disapproval in early 2022 after the pre-season testing. Even as 2022 progressed only little changes were made to aero package. Despite all the woes, the problematic MB aero concept carried over to 2023, it wasn't until James Allison came back as Tech Dir that the concept was abandoned. Supposedly Hamilton was mad about keeping the concept for so long and he expressed his dismay to Wolff, while MB kept the concept with the strong support from TD Mike Elliott until Allison came back. I'm wondering if Hamilton was not happy in the last two years at MB where his voice was drowned out by the MB technical staff. The whole "win as a team, lose as a team" spirit may have worn thin for Hamilton as the chassis bounced all over tracks the previous two years too much for Hamilton.
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Just noticed Pat Fry (Benneton/McLaren/Ferrari/Renault) is Williams TD now working under James Volves.
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Rumors of the day now are
Lewis only informed Toto last night
Toto contacted Alonso who's not making a decision until he tests this year's AMR car
Lewis only informed Toto last night
Toto contacted Alonso who's not making a decision until he tests this year's AMR car
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Alonso to MB seems to be the leading #2 rumor I've seen, with Sainz to Sauber ahead of the Audi switch #3.
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Looks like it's official
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...96Qrhbkb6.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...96Qrhbkb6.html
Seven-time F1 world champion Lewis Hamilton will part ways with Mercedes at the end of 2024, and will make a sensational switch to Ferrari next year.
Hamilton has raced for the Silver Arrows since the 2013 season and has won six of his seven world titles with the team, adding to the crown he achieved at McLaren earlier in his career.
He had also re-committed to Mercedes last summer, signing a new deal to keep him aboard through 2025, but this will now be cut short to allow for his headline-making move.
Hamilton’s decision comes after two challenging seasons for the Brackley squad, who have struggled to adapt to F1’s latest ground effect era and have dropped behind Red Bull in the pecking order.
It means Hamilton will link up with Charles Leclerc, who recently agreed an extension with the Scuderia “beyond 2024”, while Carlos Sainz will have to make way at the end of this year.
Amid intense speculation over Hamilton’s F1 future last year, Leclerc was asked about the prospect of teaming up with the Briton and admitted he would be open to it.
If I say yes [I would like to be his team mate], I imagine it being the title of every newspaper!” Leclerc smiled. “I mean Lewis is such an incredible driver and he has achieved so much in the sport.
“I think anybody on the grid would love to have Lewis as a team mate, as everybody will learn a lot from him. But I’m happy where I am and with Carlos it’s a great relationship too.”
Hamilton has raced for the Silver Arrows since the 2013 season and has won six of his seven world titles with the team, adding to the crown he achieved at McLaren earlier in his career.
He had also re-committed to Mercedes last summer, signing a new deal to keep him aboard through 2025, but this will now be cut short to allow for his headline-making move.
Hamilton’s decision comes after two challenging seasons for the Brackley squad, who have struggled to adapt to F1’s latest ground effect era and have dropped behind Red Bull in the pecking order.
It means Hamilton will link up with Charles Leclerc, who recently agreed an extension with the Scuderia “beyond 2024”, while Carlos Sainz will have to make way at the end of this year.
Amid intense speculation over Hamilton’s F1 future last year, Leclerc was asked about the prospect of teaming up with the Briton and admitted he would be open to it.
If I say yes [I would like to be his team mate], I imagine it being the title of every newspaper!” Leclerc smiled. “I mean Lewis is such an incredible driver and he has achieved so much in the sport.
“I think anybody on the grid would love to have Lewis as a team mate, as everybody will learn a lot from him. But I’m happy where I am and with Carlos it’s a great relationship too.”
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Seems official now:
Should the other thread on the topic be now?
Looks like it's official
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...96Qrhbkb6.html
Should the other thread on the topic be now?
Looks like it's official
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...96Qrhbkb6.html
Seven-time F1 world champion Lewis Hamilton will part ways with Mercedes at the end of 2024, and will make a sensational switch to Ferrari next year.
Hamilton has raced for the Silver Arrows since the 2013 season and has won six of his seven world titles with the team, adding to the crown he achieved at McLaren earlier in his career.
He had also re-committed to Mercedes last summer, signing a new deal to keep him aboard through 2025, but this will now be cut short to allow for his headline-making move.
Hamilton’s decision comes after two challenging seasons for the Brackley squad, who have struggled to adapt to F1’s latest ground effect era and have dropped behind Red Bull in the pecking order.
It means Hamilton will link up with Charles Leclerc, who recently agreed an extension with the Scuderia “beyond 2024”, while Carlos Sainz will have to make way at the end of this year.
Amid intense speculation over Hamilton’s F1 future last year, Leclerc was asked about the prospect of teaming up with the Briton and admitted he would be open to it.
If I say yes [I would like to be his team mate], I imagine it being the title of every newspaper!” Leclerc smiled. “I mean Lewis is such an incredible driver and he has achieved so much in the sport.
“I think anybody on the grid would love to have Lewis as a team mate, as everybody will learn a lot from him. But I’m happy where I am and with Carlos it’s a great relationship too.”
Hamilton has raced for the Silver Arrows since the 2013 season and has won six of his seven world titles with the team, adding to the crown he achieved at McLaren earlier in his career.
He had also re-committed to Mercedes last summer, signing a new deal to keep him aboard through 2025, but this will now be cut short to allow for his headline-making move.
Hamilton’s decision comes after two challenging seasons for the Brackley squad, who have struggled to adapt to F1’s latest ground effect era and have dropped behind Red Bull in the pecking order.
It means Hamilton will link up with Charles Leclerc, who recently agreed an extension with the Scuderia “beyond 2024”, while Carlos Sainz will have to make way at the end of this year.
Amid intense speculation over Hamilton’s F1 future last year, Leclerc was asked about the prospect of teaming up with the Briton and admitted he would be open to it.
If I say yes [I would like to be his team mate], I imagine it being the title of every newspaper!” Leclerc smiled. “I mean Lewis is such an incredible driver and he has achieved so much in the sport.
“I think anybody on the grid would love to have Lewis as a team mate, as everybody will learn a lot from him. But I’m happy where I am and with Carlos it’s a great relationship too.”
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About equal to the shocking news when Lewis went to MB in 2013, seemed like so many considered that a bad move which we all know how that turned out.
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Will merge.
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I was scrolling through the comments to see who would pick up this very fine point. Hamilton is 1 for 1 in team switches when it seems he is making a very bad decision. He must have some sort of inside knowledge as he just said last season he would never leave MBZ and wanted to finish his career there. Very interesting development indeed. Does that mean Sainz goes to RBR as rumored then to make way to LH?
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I was scrolling through the comments to see who would pick up this very fine point. Hamilton is 1 for 1 in team switches when it seems he is making a very bad decision. He must have some sort of inside knowledge as he just said last season he would never leave MBZ and wanted to finish his career there. Very interesting development indeed. Does that mean Sainz goes to RBR as rumored then to make way to LH?
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Haas VF-24 Livery Reveal
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...sfStIvPsj.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...sfStIvPsj.html
Haas have revealed a series of digital renders of their 2024 challenger the VF-24 that is adorned by an evolution of their traditional black, red and white livery.
As has been the case for several years, the American team have gone for a low-key launch, preferring to send out imagery of their new challenger before revealing the real thing when it hits the track for a shakedown at Silverstone on February 11 with Nico Hulkenberg behind the wheel.
This will be their first season in F1 without Guenther Steiner at the helm, with Ayao Komatsu stepping up from his engineering leadership role to take the reins.
“I’m looking forward to seeing the VF-24 running and racing – a sentiment,” said team owner Gene Haas. “I know I share with our partners and indeed the entire team.
“In Nico Hulkenberg and Kevin Magnussen, we also know we’ve got a great pair of drivers behind the wheel, their experience will prove invaluable again as we develop our program through the year. We’ve used the off-season to put the processes in place to be better and ultimately improve our overall performance. Soon we get to see how we’re doing.”
Komatsu added: “We’re realistic about our expectations for the VF-24 to start but it’s still an exciting moment in any Formula 1 season to showcase the car.
"There’s a lot of work ahead of us to make progress and increase our performance but everyone here is highly motivated and eager to get on track with the VF-24.
“I know we’ll be maximizing our time in Bahrain with all the various items we need to push through. Bottom line, we can’t wait to get going and get the season underway.”
The team, who will once again run Hulkenberg and Kevin Magnussen, will be aiming to improve on their last place finish in 2023’s constructors’ championship.
They accept that this will be a challenge, with Komatsu admitting Haas are likely to be “towards the back of the grid, if not last” in Bahrain because of delays in development last year when he says they stopped for two months to focus on delivering their significant upgrade for Austin.
Following the car’s running at Silverstone on February 11, a second shakedown will take place in Bahrain eight days later, before pre-season testing begins at the same venue on February 21, running for three days.
As has been the case for several years, the American team have gone for a low-key launch, preferring to send out imagery of their new challenger before revealing the real thing when it hits the track for a shakedown at Silverstone on February 11 with Nico Hulkenberg behind the wheel.
This will be their first season in F1 without Guenther Steiner at the helm, with Ayao Komatsu stepping up from his engineering leadership role to take the reins.
“I’m looking forward to seeing the VF-24 running and racing – a sentiment,” said team owner Gene Haas. “I know I share with our partners and indeed the entire team.
“In Nico Hulkenberg and Kevin Magnussen, we also know we’ve got a great pair of drivers behind the wheel, their experience will prove invaluable again as we develop our program through the year. We’ve used the off-season to put the processes in place to be better and ultimately improve our overall performance. Soon we get to see how we’re doing.”
Komatsu added: “We’re realistic about our expectations for the VF-24 to start but it’s still an exciting moment in any Formula 1 season to showcase the car.
"There’s a lot of work ahead of us to make progress and increase our performance but everyone here is highly motivated and eager to get on track with the VF-24.
“I know we’ll be maximizing our time in Bahrain with all the various items we need to push through. Bottom line, we can’t wait to get going and get the season underway.”
The team, who will once again run Hulkenberg and Kevin Magnussen, will be aiming to improve on their last place finish in 2023’s constructors’ championship.
They accept that this will be a challenge, with Komatsu admitting Haas are likely to be “towards the back of the grid, if not last” in Bahrain because of delays in development last year when he says they stopped for two months to focus on delivering their significant upgrade for Austin.
Following the car’s running at Silverstone on February 11, a second shakedown will take place in Bahrain eight days later, before pre-season testing begins at the same venue on February 21, running for three days.
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I am underwhelmed with the new livery?
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https://racer.com/2024/02/02/andrett...ents-over-bid/
More tidbits about the Andretti rejection.
HILARIOUS!
More tidbits about the Andretti rejection.
there was also the revelation that an offer of an in-person meeting from F1 had not been accepted.
“Having had the opportunity to consider the applicant’s responses together with our own deliberations, we subsequently wrote to the applicant on 12 December, 2023 extending an invitation to an in-person meeting at our offices in order for the applicant to present its application, but the applicant did not take us up on this offer,” F1 claimed.
Andretti now says that invitation was not received, with AP reporting the email in question was from an FOM staff member and went into a junk folder.
“We were not aware that the offer of a meeting had been extended and would not decline a meeting with Formula One Management,” Andretti added. “An in-person meeting to discuss commercial matters would be and remains of paramount importance to Andretti Cadillac. We welcome the opportunity to meet with Formula One Management and have written to them confirming our interest.”
“Having had the opportunity to consider the applicant’s responses together with our own deliberations, we subsequently wrote to the applicant on 12 December, 2023 extending an invitation to an in-person meeting at our offices in order for the applicant to present its application, but the applicant did not take us up on this offer,” F1 claimed.
Andretti now says that invitation was not received, with AP reporting the email in question was from an FOM staff member and went into a junk folder.
“We were not aware that the offer of a meeting had been extended and would not decline a meeting with Formula One Management,” Andretti added. “An in-person meeting to discuss commercial matters would be and remains of paramount importance to Andretti Cadillac. We welcome the opportunity to meet with Formula One Management and have written to them confirming our interest.”
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Given they have FIA approval, it'd be a bit hilarious if they developed an entry & just showed up to the first race.
Not sure how F1 would handle that, or if it'd even be posible.
Not sure how F1 would handle that, or if it'd even be posible.
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It would be really interesting. In theory, Andretti could show up at the races and see what happens. I guess it also depends on who controls the circuit access. Do the access points require FIA or FOM passes? At Monaco, where space is tight, you could have an Andretti trailer displace the RB Energy Station.
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the access passes we got in Montreal were all issued by the FIA.
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Not sure it's worth the $$ to force F1's hand & get the FIA to force the issue by showing up with a full race team.
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FOM will almost surely lose if Andretti takes this thing to court. The downside is that it would take years to resolve. Hopefully, the threat of litigation will force FOM to back down.
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Off season rumors this year are in full swing. Albon is rumored to have an offer to drive for RB. As mentioned above, Alonso is rumored to be in talks with MB, pending AMs 2024 car. And Bottas dropped hints that he was in Brackley too.
I'd love to see Alonso in a top tier car again, and (ideally) I'd like to see Bottas, Checo and Stroll out of F1 entirely, just to get some F2 talent into F1 (Lawson really deserves a seat).
I'd love to see Alonso in a top tier car again, and (ideally) I'd like to see Bottas, Checo and Stroll out of F1 entirely, just to get some F2 talent into F1 (Lawson really deserves a seat).
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The Hamilton switch is going to make the drivers market go crazy.
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Looks like it already has @F-C !
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Williams livestream livery launch going now. Not a huge departure from the 23 car, a few sponsor changes, but not a dramatic livery change, IMO.
Not expecting any big livery changes outside of maybe VCARB & Sauber
Not expecting any big livery changes outside of maybe VCARB & Sauber
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...P6uRi83H1.html
Williams have shown off the livery that will adorn their cars during the upcoming F1 season at a special launch ceremony in New York.
After livery reveals from McLaren and Haas, it was the Grove outfit’s turn to present their colour scheme for the year ahead, with an evolved deep blue design which, according to the team, “links Williams’ championship-winning heritage with its mission to return to the front of the grid”.
Williams also took the opportunity to announce a new multi-year headline partnership with Komatsu, who are a leading manufacturer of construction, mining, forestry and industrial heavy equipment.
The two parties previously enjoyed a successful partnership in the 1980s and 1990s, when Williams won a host of races and championships, including the supply of gearbox components for the title-winning 1996 and 1997 cars.
With James Vowles brought in as Team Principal early last year in an effort to spark a new era of success, the operation enjoyed an immediate rise from the foot of the F1 constructors’ standings to seventh position in 2023 – Alex Albon scoring all bar one of their points.
Albon will continue at the squad for a third successive campaign in 2024, with Logan Sargeant retained alongside him after his rookie term.
“It is a significant milestone to unveil the 2024 livery at an iconic location in New York City,” said Vowles, with the launch taking place at PUMA’s Flagship store on Fifth Avenue.
“Since joining Williams Racing a year ago, I’ve seen this team pull together to overcome a number of challenges and claim seventh in the Constructors’ Championship, which meant a great deal for everyone involved. We’ve also shown the world that we’re building the foundations for moving forward.
“We’ll continue to strengthen the team both on and off the track through improvements to our infrastructure, investing in our people, and attracting fantastic new partners like Komatsu.
“Of course, there’s still a long way to go on this journey together but I know our fans, partners and everyone at Grove HQ is pushing as one to create new history for this iconic team.
“It will take time, but everyone’s support is integral to help drive us towards success in the years to come. I’m looking forward to seeing what this season holds for us.”
The full-blown FW46 will make its track debut at a promotional filming day in Bahrain on February 20 ahead of official pre-season testing, which begins at the same Sakhir venue on February 21.
After livery reveals from McLaren and Haas, it was the Grove outfit’s turn to present their colour scheme for the year ahead, with an evolved deep blue design which, according to the team, “links Williams’ championship-winning heritage with its mission to return to the front of the grid”.
Williams also took the opportunity to announce a new multi-year headline partnership with Komatsu, who are a leading manufacturer of construction, mining, forestry and industrial heavy equipment.
The two parties previously enjoyed a successful partnership in the 1980s and 1990s, when Williams won a host of races and championships, including the supply of gearbox components for the title-winning 1996 and 1997 cars.
With James Vowles brought in as Team Principal early last year in an effort to spark a new era of success, the operation enjoyed an immediate rise from the foot of the F1 constructors’ standings to seventh position in 2023 – Alex Albon scoring all bar one of their points.
Albon will continue at the squad for a third successive campaign in 2024, with Logan Sargeant retained alongside him after his rookie term.
“It is a significant milestone to unveil the 2024 livery at an iconic location in New York City,” said Vowles, with the launch taking place at PUMA’s Flagship store on Fifth Avenue.
“Since joining Williams Racing a year ago, I’ve seen this team pull together to overcome a number of challenges and claim seventh in the Constructors’ Championship, which meant a great deal for everyone involved. We’ve also shown the world that we’re building the foundations for moving forward.
“We’ll continue to strengthen the team both on and off the track through improvements to our infrastructure, investing in our people, and attracting fantastic new partners like Komatsu.
“Of course, there’s still a long way to go on this journey together but I know our fans, partners and everyone at Grove HQ is pushing as one to create new history for this iconic team.
“It will take time, but everyone’s support is integral to help drive us towards success in the years to come. I’m looking forward to seeing what this season holds for us.”
The full-blown FW46 will make its track debut at a promotional filming day in Bahrain on February 20 ahead of official pre-season testing, which begins at the same Sakhir venue on February 21.
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I am underwhelmed with the new livery?
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New boss, same as the old boss. As I expect from most teams this season.
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New sponsor Komatsu should have joined Haas. Missed opportunity!
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Sprint Format changes for 2024
Should make our AZ Fantasy simpler with quali moving back to Saturday, post-Sprint, assuming no crashes knocking about one out of quali
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Tf6TxtOh7.html
Should make our AZ Fantasy simpler with quali moving back to Saturday, post-Sprint, assuming no crashes knocking about one out of quali
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Tf6TxtOh7.html
F1 Sprint will return for a fourth season in 2024 and a format tweak is set to make the spectacle more engaging than ever.
As outlined in December, Brazil will host its fourth consecutive Sprint weekend, with Austria to stage its third, Austin and Qatar returning for a second year, and China and Miami joining the line-up for the first time.
On Monday, the F1 Commission met to discuss a range of matters and, shortly after the gathering concluded, a Sprint format update was communicated.
For this year, the Sprint Shootout will move from Saturday to Friday, following an initial free practice session for track acclimatisation and set-up work.
The 100km Sprint will then take place on Saturday, ahead of qualifying for the Grand Prix later that day. The Grand Prix itself will remain on Sunday.
The regulatory refinements for these changes will be presented to the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) on February 28.
Away from the Sprint, a proposal to increase the power unit allocation to four per driver for the 2024 and 2025 seasons was agreed.
Additionally, DRS activation for the race will be anticipated to one lap as opposed to two laps after the start of the race, or the re-start following a Safety Car.
As outlined in December, Brazil will host its fourth consecutive Sprint weekend, with Austria to stage its third, Austin and Qatar returning for a second year, and China and Miami joining the line-up for the first time.
On Monday, the F1 Commission met to discuss a range of matters and, shortly after the gathering concluded, a Sprint format update was communicated.
For this year, the Sprint Shootout will move from Saturday to Friday, following an initial free practice session for track acclimatisation and set-up work.
The 100km Sprint will then take place on Saturday, ahead of qualifying for the Grand Prix later that day. The Grand Prix itself will remain on Sunday.
The regulatory refinements for these changes will be presented to the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) on February 28.
Away from the Sprint, a proposal to increase the power unit allocation to four per driver for the 2024 and 2025 seasons was agreed.
Additionally, DRS activation for the race will be anticipated to one lap as opposed to two laps after the start of the race, or the re-start following a Safety Car.
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Watching the Stake/Sauber livestream.
My eyes! That's a very loud green. More like the Sauber/Kawasaki
Not sure I like it, definitely an aesthetic step back from the AlfaRomeo liveries.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...TNUhMnviX.html
My eyes! That's a very loud green. More like the Sauber/Kawasaki
Not sure I like it, definitely an aesthetic step back from the AlfaRomeo liveries.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...TNUhMnviX.html
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