Formula One: 2024 Season News and Discussion Thread
06-07-2024, 05:08 PM
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That's a new building, WTF!
06-08-2024, 11:46 AM
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's list of who needs to goZhou
Stroll
Danny Ricc
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Sergeant &
Hulk.
At least 1/3 of the field is sub-standard IMO.
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06-08-2024, 02:00 PM
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https://www.grandprix.com/news/sprin...-promoter.html
Montreal says that they don't have a sprint race because Liberty is charging $4 million for a sprint session.
That's pure greed.
Fine with me, since I don't like the sprint race.
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06-10-2024, 10:05 AM
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I was entertained.
06-10-2024, 10:53 AM
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https://racer.com/2024/06/09/perez-n...car-in-canada/
Perez penalized and Red Bull fined for instructing Perez to return to the pits after his crash while shedding car parts. Dunno, but a fine for Red Bull seems inconsequential, unless it effects the cost cap. Seems like a points penalty would be more appropriate.
Perez penalized and Red Bull fined for instructing Perez to return to the pits after his crash while shedding car parts. Dunno, but a fine for Red Bull seems inconsequential, unless it effects the cost cap. Seems like a points penalty would be more appropriate.
06-12-2024, 09:38 PM
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So I really started watching F1 because of Drive to Survive. I watched every race for a season or two but now that Verstappen is winning everything I am just not interested anymore. No real competition. It is boring. I know Verstappen will win so I don't even bother watching anymore. I still love watching Drive to Survive, but the races not so much.
Is it just me or does anybody else think similarly?
Is it just me or does anybody else think similarly?
06-13-2024, 08:00 AM
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You couldn't be more wrong about the current season. This is the most competitive season F1 has seen since ~2011. The thing about F1? One team usually gets it dead on with the power unit and chassis and wins consistently, it's been that way since the sport began more often than not. Don't give up, it's going to be a great rest of the season.
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06-13-2024, 10:04 AM
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Since I started watching F1 consistently about 12 years ago, it's been way more exciting to see who's going to finish second and third than first. It was the Seb show, then the Hamilton show, and now the Max show.
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06-13-2024, 01:17 PM
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I've watched F1 for about 35 years, with the vast majority of them being dominated by one team or driver. So I echo what's been said. But even in those "uncompetitive" years, I still enjoyed watching the races. Why? I love seeing the most expensive racing cars in the world racing on the edge. Also, in a way, the real race is also what's not shown, which is the designing and manufacturing of the cars. And as an engineer, I can really appreciate that.
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06-18-2024, 04:25 AM
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06-18-2024, 08:55 AM
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Sad but true.
06-18-2024, 01:01 PM
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So I really started watching F1 because of Drive to Survive. I watched every race for a season or two but now that Verstappen is winning everything I am just not interested anymore. No real competition. It is boring. I know Verstappen will win so I don't even bother watching anymore. I still love watching Drive to Survive, but the races not so much.
Is it just me or does anybody else think similarly?
Is it just me or does anybody else think similarly?
F1 has had dominant periods before but perhaps not as long as the current RBR/MB/RBR period and one of the more interesting aspects of the current dominance is it's Max and RBR, similar to Lewis at MB and Michael at Ferrari where they dominated win after win. I'm also a engineer and still enjoy the technical aspects of F1 and its not being a spec series. Pretty cool stat from Max in his current winning, like those two we're in the middle of another period of extreme driver dominance.
After the infamous 2021 F1 season, where Verstappen and Hamilton locked horns in an intense title battle, the former has dominated the sport. The FIA changed the technical regulations in 2022, which Red Bull was able to implement brilliantly in its cars. This allowed Verstappen to win races left, right, and center and easily clinch the 2022 and 2023 F1 drivers' championships.
The stat in which Verstappen has surpassed Hamilton and Schumacher is the highest win rate over a 50-race period in F1 history.
From the 2021 F1 Abu Dhabi GP to the 2024 F1 Chinese GP, 50 races have taken place. Thirty-nine out of these 50 races were won by Max Verstappen alone, making his win rate percentage 78%.
Compared to this, both Hamilton and Schumacher's maximum win rate over a 50-race period is 62%. While Hamilton achieved this around 2021, Schumacher achieved it around 2004.
The stat in which Verstappen has surpassed Hamilton and Schumacher is the highest win rate over a 50-race period in F1 history.
From the 2021 F1 Abu Dhabi GP to the 2024 F1 Chinese GP, 50 races have taken place. Thirty-nine out of these 50 races were won by Max Verstappen alone, making his win rate percentage 78%.
Compared to this, both Hamilton and Schumacher's maximum win rate over a 50-race period is 62%. While Hamilton achieved this around 2021, Schumacher achieved it around 2004.
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06-19-2024, 07:47 AM
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This should be interesting in an IMAX theater for sure! 
NEWS
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...0UFsKfEELXjO2w
NEWS
Release date confirmed for Apple Original Films’ Formula 1 movie
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...0UFsKfEELXjO2w
06-19-2024, 07:55 AM
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Cautiously optimistic
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06-19-2024, 09:28 AM
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Fairly pessimistic
06-19-2024, 12:09 PM
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What's Inside a Formula 1 Gearbox?
FWIW, this gearbox is not a "cassette" style that MB created that have two casing to allow easy suspension pickup point changes.
F1 and other racing gearbox's are very similar to motorcycle gearbox with dog rings and shift drums (selector barrels).
F1 and other racing gearbox's are very similar to motorcycle gearbox with dog rings and shift drums (selector barrels).
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06-20-2024, 08:05 AM
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Initially, it was thought his new deal - signed very recently despite a performance slump - was for two guaranteed years.
But team consultant Dr Helmut Marko admitted that it contains certain clauses, while boss Christian Horner described it as a one-plus-one deal, implying that Perez staying at Red Bull beyond 2025 is merely an option.
And now, Marko has told Osterreich newspaper that the intention of the mid-season contract extension has not resulted in the desired outcome of giving Perez a confidence - and performance - boost.
We extended his contract because we wanted to bring calm to our team, said the 81-year-old, "which unfortunately didn't quite work out.
"But now Checo has three races ahead of him on three real race tracks to prove himself."
But team consultant Dr Helmut Marko admitted that it contains certain clauses, while boss Christian Horner described it as a one-plus-one deal, implying that Perez staying at Red Bull beyond 2025 is merely an option.
And now, Marko has told Osterreich newspaper that the intention of the mid-season contract extension has not resulted in the desired outcome of giving Perez a confidence - and performance - boost.
We extended his contract because we wanted to bring calm to our team, said the 81-year-old, "which unfortunately didn't quite work out.
"But now Checo has three races ahead of him on three real race tracks to prove himself."
Doesn't sound like Checo has a locked contract extension.
06-20-2024, 10:18 AM
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Marko always says outlandish shit to stir the pot. Red Bull will not release him mid season.
06-20-2024, 10:23 AM
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With a few more performances like that, RBR have done it before. Not sure Yuki is ready for the big-boy seat, but the option is there.
Sadly, I think DR's days may be numbered too. The Honey Badger doesn't really seem to have the teeth in the RB.
Sadly, I think DR's days may be numbered too. The Honey Badger doesn't really seem to have the teeth in the RB.
06-20-2024, 10:23 AM
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He's not saying releasing mid-season. What he's implying is that if he doesn't do well for the next 3 races, he might not have a Red Bull seat for 2025, despite a new contract extension.
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06-20-2024, 10:26 AM
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That's fair, but I still take anything Marko says with a grain of salt.
06-20-2024, 12:17 PM
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If the rumors are true, and RB is bringing a new floor, sidepods, rear wing and bodywork this weekend, will be interesting if either of them can be more competitive at the top.
06-20-2024, 12:46 PM
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Spain will be a good testbed track. We'll see what they can do. Gotta say, though, Yuki has been showing more race performance than DR this season. 
06-20-2024, 06:05 PM
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06-20-2024, 08:23 PM
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I must have missed it, but there are reports now that Alpine might not use Renault engines anymore. Shocking if true.
06-20-2024, 08:55 PM
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Alex Albon on Max Verstappen’s Driving Technique
First minute or so explains Albon's experience at RBR and Max's quick driving ability
Quick story about his salary and lack of manager
Quick story about his salary and lack of manager
06-21-2024, 08:16 AM
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Alpine could abandon Renault engines and become F1 customer team in 2026
French manufacturer in talks with rivals about customer engine deals amid suggestions it could abandon Renault works unit
Jonathan Noble | Jun 17, 2024 at 9:51 AM
Alpine is considering abandoning its works Renault engine in Formula 1 from 2026 and has opened talks with rival manufacturers about the possibility of securing a customer deal instead.
As part of an evaluation of its F1 project prompted by a difficult start to the current campaign, it has emerged that senior Renault and Alpine management have left no stone unturned in working out what is needed to improve its situation.
With its current Renault power unit down on performance compared to rivals, and no certainty it will get things right for the next generation turbo hybrids coming in 2026, it has questioned whether the huge investment needed to produce its own engine is essential.
It is understood that a plan is now being evaluated for Renault to potentially abandon work on its 2026 power unit and instead shift Alpine to become a customer team.
Sources have revealed that Alpine team principal Bruno Famin has been pondering the situation over recent weeks, and has held talks with rival manufacturers to see what the alternative options could be.
The most logical solution to avoid a potential manufacturer clash issue for Renault would be to take a supply of customer engines from Red Bull, which will have its own power units from 2026.
However, despite talks with the team, it is thought that the chances of a Red Bull deal are unlikely because of the logistical complications that the Milton Keynes-based team would face in supplying a third team alongside itself and sister squad RB for its debut campaign in 2026.
Speaking last year about the possibility of a customer deal, Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said: "I think we need to establish ourselves first. We don't want to overstretch ourselves.
"I think already supplying two teams in '26, that is probably even slightly beyond optimum in year one, but it just gives us the capacity and capability for further down the line. So I think first of all, we need to firmly establish ourselves and then we have the capability to take more on from there."
If the Red Bull route does not happen, then the most likely other option would be Mercedes, which has a supply deal freed up for 2026 thanks to Aston Martin's switch to Honda.
Customer deals with Aston Martin and McLaren have already shown the German car manufacturer is not afraid to supply other automotive companies with power units, as it does not see any wider commercial downside to its F1 deals.
If Alpine does decide to go down the customer engine route, and cannot reach its own agreement with another manufacturer, then F1's regulations detail how one of the sport's current engine suppliers would be called upon to supply it so it is not left without a power unit.
That would likely end up in Honda being requested to provide an engine, as it is the only existing manufacturer that does not have plans for a second customer team in 2026.
Renault commitment
While Alpine's engine situation appears fluid right now, it comes with Renault CEO Luca de Meo making it clear recently that he was committed to the future of Alpine in F1, despite interest from potential buyers.
Speaking to Autocar, he said: "It's not my style. We will not sell even a part of this thing. We don't need the money. I've had people making offers left and right, then talking in the press about it. But we're not interested. It would be stupid, and I won't do it."
In the lengthy interview, he did cite, however, that Renault had never successfully got on top of the turbo hybrid engine rules – which had cost it performance throughout the current regulation cycle.
"When we began the hybrid era [in 2014], our engine didn't perform," he said. "We had been world champions with Red Bull but with hybrid, things went wrong.
"Even the engine we developed in 2021 had a 0.2s to 0.5s disadvantage every lap. And this year we've screwed up with the car. If you combine everything, we're up to 1.5s from where we need to be."
As well as the switch of engines meaning Alpine could secure power units that are cheaper and potentially more competitive, a move to become a customer team would also make the team potentially easier to sell in the future as the squad would not have the legacy element of its Viry-Chatillon engine department involved as part of its F1 effort anymore.
Viry, which is Renault Sport Racing's headquarters near Paris, has designed and produced the French manufacturer's F1 engines since the 1970s.
And while a move away from involvement in grand prix racing would mark a dramatic shift in its focus, there is still plenty of other motorsport activity it could be involved in.
This includes helping develop the power unit for its WEC Hypercar, which currently runs a modified Mecachrome F2 engine with a spec hybrid system.
Alpine declined to comment on the situation when contacted by Motorsport.com.
French manufacturer in talks with rivals about customer engine deals amid suggestions it could abandon Renault works unit
Jonathan Noble | Jun 17, 2024 at 9:51 AM
Alpine is considering abandoning its works Renault engine in Formula 1 from 2026 and has opened talks with rival manufacturers about the possibility of securing a customer deal instead.
As part of an evaluation of its F1 project prompted by a difficult start to the current campaign, it has emerged that senior Renault and Alpine management have left no stone unturned in working out what is needed to improve its situation.
With its current Renault power unit down on performance compared to rivals, and no certainty it will get things right for the next generation turbo hybrids coming in 2026, it has questioned whether the huge investment needed to produce its own engine is essential.
It is understood that a plan is now being evaluated for Renault to potentially abandon work on its 2026 power unit and instead shift Alpine to become a customer team.
Sources have revealed that Alpine team principal Bruno Famin has been pondering the situation over recent weeks, and has held talks with rival manufacturers to see what the alternative options could be.
The most logical solution to avoid a potential manufacturer clash issue for Renault would be to take a supply of customer engines from Red Bull, which will have its own power units from 2026.
However, despite talks with the team, it is thought that the chances of a Red Bull deal are unlikely because of the logistical complications that the Milton Keynes-based team would face in supplying a third team alongside itself and sister squad RB for its debut campaign in 2026.
Speaking last year about the possibility of a customer deal, Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said: "I think we need to establish ourselves first. We don't want to overstretch ourselves.
"I think already supplying two teams in '26, that is probably even slightly beyond optimum in year one, but it just gives us the capacity and capability for further down the line. So I think first of all, we need to firmly establish ourselves and then we have the capability to take more on from there."
If the Red Bull route does not happen, then the most likely other option would be Mercedes, which has a supply deal freed up for 2026 thanks to Aston Martin's switch to Honda.
Customer deals with Aston Martin and McLaren have already shown the German car manufacturer is not afraid to supply other automotive companies with power units, as it does not see any wider commercial downside to its F1 deals.
If Alpine does decide to go down the customer engine route, and cannot reach its own agreement with another manufacturer, then F1's regulations detail how one of the sport's current engine suppliers would be called upon to supply it so it is not left without a power unit.
That would likely end up in Honda being requested to provide an engine, as it is the only existing manufacturer that does not have plans for a second customer team in 2026.
Renault commitment
While Alpine's engine situation appears fluid right now, it comes with Renault CEO Luca de Meo making it clear recently that he was committed to the future of Alpine in F1, despite interest from potential buyers.
Speaking to Autocar, he said: "It's not my style. We will not sell even a part of this thing. We don't need the money. I've had people making offers left and right, then talking in the press about it. But we're not interested. It would be stupid, and I won't do it."
In the lengthy interview, he did cite, however, that Renault had never successfully got on top of the turbo hybrid engine rules – which had cost it performance throughout the current regulation cycle.
"When we began the hybrid era [in 2014], our engine didn't perform," he said. "We had been world champions with Red Bull but with hybrid, things went wrong.
"Even the engine we developed in 2021 had a 0.2s to 0.5s disadvantage every lap. And this year we've screwed up with the car. If you combine everything, we're up to 1.5s from where we need to be."
As well as the switch of engines meaning Alpine could secure power units that are cheaper and potentially more competitive, a move to become a customer team would also make the team potentially easier to sell in the future as the squad would not have the legacy element of its Viry-Chatillon engine department involved as part of its F1 effort anymore.
Viry, which is Renault Sport Racing's headquarters near Paris, has designed and produced the French manufacturer's F1 engines since the 1970s.
And while a move away from involvement in grand prix racing would mark a dramatic shift in its focus, there is still plenty of other motorsport activity it could be involved in.
This includes helping develop the power unit for its WEC Hypercar, which currently runs a modified Mecachrome F2 engine with a spec hybrid system.
Alpine declined to comment on the situation when contacted by Motorsport.com.
06-21-2024, 08:16 AM
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From that article:
Thought RBR was going to Ford in 2026?
Unless it's going to be a RBPT badged Ford?
Renault would be to take a supply of customer engines from Red Bull, which will have its own power units from 2026.
Unless it's going to be a RBPT badged Ford?
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06-21-2024, 09:17 AM
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...b7Iw6C79l1YQ9b
Can't even recall the last F1 team to make their own ICE, but guessing it has to be BRM in the 70's?
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06-21-2024, 09:32 AM
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He's got a few long format videos (1hr+) on that channel that were fantastic. James Vowles has a video too - I enjoyed them.
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06-21-2024, 10:06 AM
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RBR is doing the ICE and Ford is doing EV portion of the powertrain including the S/W and battery tech
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...b7Iw6C79l1YQ9b
Can't even recall the last F1 team to make their own ICE, but guessing it has to be BRM in the 70's?
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...b7Iw6C79l1YQ9b
Can't even recall the last F1 team to make their own ICE, but guessing it has to be BRM in the 70's?
Wiki does say that the Ferrari 066/12 is made by Scuderia Ferrari. Interestingly, Sauber gets that same PU, but Haas is listed as having the 066/10 which is the 2023 PU.
06-21-2024, 11:05 AM
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Do Ferrari & MB not make their own? Or do you mean fully in-house. I guess, technically, the MB PU is made by MB HP Powertrains, subsidiary of MB.
Wiki does say that the Ferrari 066/12 is made by Scuderia Ferrari. Interestingly, Sauber gets that same PU, but Haas is listed as having the 066/10 which is the 2023 PU.
Wiki does say that the Ferrari 066/12 is made by Scuderia Ferrari. Interestingly, Sauber gets that same PU, but Haas is listed as having the 066/10 which is the 2023 PU.
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06-21-2024, 02:23 PM
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A side implication would be Andretti and Cadillac. Andretti was planning to come in first with Renault engines before switching to Cadillac when the new rules come in. Wonder how this might effect that plan.
06-21-2024, 04:39 PM
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[Silly season]Andretti buys out the Alpine team & enters that way[/Silly season]
06-21-2024, 04:48 PM
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Uralkali, a Russian fertiliser giant, heavily backed the similarly-ousted driver Nikita Mazepin until the outbreak of the Russia-Ukraine conflict in early 2022.
The company sought compensation for the terminated sponsorship deal through the Swiss legal system - and on Thursday the arbitration tribunal agreed that Haas had improperly ended the deal.
The arbitration established the fact of breach of contract by the team and awarded compensation to Uralkali, Uralkali's press office announced.
Haas was also denied all counterclaims against Uralkali.
Uralkali continued: The company expects Haas to promptly fulfil its obligations confirmed by the arbitration tribunal decision. The funds received are planned to be used for the development and modernisation of potash fertiliser production.
The company sought compensation for the terminated sponsorship deal through the Swiss legal system - and on Thursday the arbitration tribunal agreed that Haas had improperly ended the deal.
The arbitration established the fact of breach of contract by the team and awarded compensation to Uralkali, Uralkali's press office announced.
Haas was also denied all counterclaims against Uralkali.
Uralkali continued: The company expects Haas to promptly fulfil its obligations confirmed by the arbitration tribunal decision. The funds received are planned to be used for the development and modernisation of potash fertiliser production.
Ridiculous move by Haas deserves to be punished. Why would any sponsor want to work with Haas in the future?
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06-22-2024, 07:52 AM
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Fuck Gene, hope he loses all sponsors.
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06-22-2024, 09:16 AM
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Interesting that RBR brought a 2022 RB18 to Imola for Max to test drive this week, kinda implies the engineers and Max are trying to figure out why the RB20 is more difficult to get setup at certain circuits.
06-22-2024, 09:43 AM
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less sponsor decals, less points. always