Formula One: 2023 Season News and Discussion Thread
#121
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^ Also, just realized, only 28 days to FP1 2023!
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GA Prices in GBP
Miami $520
Austria sub-$100
Silverstone $280
Hungary $70
Monza $88
Singapore: $322
COTA $385 IIRC, we paid about $650 for 2 tickets at T9/T4 in 2017/2018 respectively, with reserved seats
Mexico $370
Vegas $405 But I'd read $800 for 3-day GA tickets elsewhere
Everything else in the 1-200 range
Average $212.50
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Red Bull launch event was a big fail.
1. Marty Smith as the host??? Does this guy even know anything about F1?
2. 20 minutes of the 60 minute event was for the announcement about Ford. That's a huge slap in the face to Honda, whose name is still on the car for the next few years.
3. I didn't get an invite to the event.
1. Marty Smith as the host??? Does this guy even know anything about F1?
2. 20 minutes of the 60 minute event was for the announcement about Ford. That's a huge slap in the face to Honda, whose name is still on the car for the next few years.
3. I didn't get an invite to the event.
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It was a horrible waste of time. I wish the doodle car was their livery,
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RB19: More of the same, looks wise, as expected.
But, is that a Rokit sponsor on the side of the cockpit? They weren't the brightest of sponsors with Williams, but not near as bad a Rich Energy.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...wDqvONMWR.html
But, is that a Rokit sponsor on the side of the cockpit? They weren't the brightest of sponsors with Williams, but not near as bad a Rich Energy.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...wDqvONMWR.html
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^ Ok, couldn't quite tell if it was a re-styled Rokit logo.
#127
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Rokt is not the same as Rokit.
I questioned Rokit the moment Williams signed with them. Looks like I was right. Here's an interesting article about Rokit. It's a long read, but very insightful about scam sponsorship in big time sports.
https://www.sportico.com/business/sp...ls-1234690627/
I questioned Rokit the moment Williams signed with them. Looks like I was right. Here's an interesting article about Rokit. It's a long read, but very insightful about scam sponsorship in big time sports.
https://www.sportico.com/business/sp...ls-1234690627/
#128
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Williams F1 2023 livery unveiled!
Supposedly, there is a Gulf logo somewhere there.
For those expecting a Gulf livery, you are very disappointed.
Supposedly, there is a Gulf logo somewhere there.
For those expecting a Gulf livery, you are very disappointed.
Last edited by F-C; 02-06-2023 at 10:28 AM.
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#129
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Very similar to last year's livery, but looks good.
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I like the Duracell battery airbox.
#131
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GA Prices in GBP
Miami $520
Austria sub-$100
Silverstone $280
Hungary $70
Monza $88
Singapore: $322
COTA $385 IIRC, we paid about $650 for 2 tickets at T9/T4 in 2017/2018 respectively, with reserved seats
Mexico $370
Vegas $405 But I'd read $800 for 3-day GA tickets elsewhere
Everything else in the 1-200 range
Average $212.50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAUJ_1DmdnM
I've heard fantastic things about Hungary's Grand Prix and going to try and see if we can make it there this year..
#132
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With travel, you might still come out ahead of the US races.
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Red Bull launch event was a big fail.
1. Marty Smith as the host??? Does this guy even know anything about F1?
2. 20 minutes of the 60 minute event was for the announcement about Ford. That's a huge slap in the face to Honda, whose name is still on the car for the next few years.
3. I didn't get an invite to the event.
1. Marty Smith as the host??? Does this guy even know anything about F1?
2. 20 minutes of the 60 minute event was for the announcement about Ford. That's a huge slap in the face to Honda, whose name is still on the car for the next few years.
3. I didn't get an invite to the event.
#134
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Alfa C43
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...gtr7XZshG.html
And, it's already for sale on F1 Authentics. Raising some extra funds for the team I suppose:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...uGOMZq1v7.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...gtr7XZshG.html
And, it's already for sale on F1 Authentics. Raising some extra funds for the team I suppose:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...uGOMZq1v7.html
Fresh from kicking off their 2023 season by presenting the C43 to the world, Alfa Romeo are auctioning off the showcar used for the presentation via the F1 Authentics platform.
Built by UK-based sports memorabilia specialist Memento Exclusives, it is the first in a series of planned 2023 Alfa Romeo display cars – and is expected to reach more than £400,000 in the auction.
Built by UK-based sports memorabilia specialist Memento Exclusives, it is the first in a series of planned 2023 Alfa Romeo display cars – and is expected to reach more than £400,000 in the auction.
#135
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I don't love the red/black as much as the past couple years' red/white, but still looks pretty good.
#136
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Looking at the C43 more, I can rationalize the black over white in my head.
Last year, all the teams struggled to get down near the minimum weight, and even resorted to stripping paint to lighten up.
Alfa was the closest, IIRC. So, going to black there, you could go with bare carbon & not add the weight of paint or wrap to those parts.
Last year, all the teams struggled to get down near the minimum weight, and even resorted to stripping paint to lighten up.
Alfa was the closest, IIRC. So, going to black there, you could go with bare carbon & not add the weight of paint or wrap to those parts.
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And, some technical aspects on the C43
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...zVHjX1sr7.html
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...-car/10429035/
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...zVHjX1sr7.html
Alfa Romeo’s 2023 Formula 1 car, the C43, features several key modifications at the rear compared to its predecessor, the team’s Technical Director, Jan Monchaux, has explained.
On Tuesday, Alfa Romeo presented their new challenger and new livery for the upcoming F1 season, as the Sauber-run operation look to build on a P6 finish in last year’s constructors’ standings.
Although the car is described as an “evolution” over the C42, Monchaux oversaw “a major change of architecture” at the rear-end during the winter period, covering the suspension, gearbox, cooling layout, bodywork and more – all while taking into account ride height and diffuser rule tweaks.
Speaking at Alfa Romeo’s car launch, Monchaux commented: “We identified areas where we thought there was still potential for us to unleash, potential we wouldn’t be able to unleash in the 2022 season.
“We concentrated mainly on the rear part of the car, where we just wanted to be brave enough to do the next step in terms of pure development on the rear end, which opened the door to a lot of other solutions we couldn’t implement last year.”
Offering up more details, he continued: “In effect, we decided to change the rear axis, redoing the rear suspension, and therefore the gearbox casing, which then opens the door to new layouts, especially on the [cooling] side, which once in place allowed us to develop the bodywork.
“Last year – during the season – it was not possible, and the concept we had followed last year, we were of the opinion that [it] had come to a sort of plateau, and to unleash the next level of performance, we had to do all those changes that have been quite a journey for us, because it’s a big, big, complex part we had to re-do.
"Then, evidently, all the rear-end work we see with the floor, alongside the new regs… so we’ve really been putting a lot of effort on the second part of the car, while the front will be successively developed during the season.
“[It is] quite a change for us in terms of the bodywork and how we handle the hot air coming from the radiators, compared to last year’s car. It’s not a revolution, [as] similar solutions were on the grid already last year, but it’s something we couldn’t implement without a major change of the architecture.”
Alongside Alfa Romeo’s quest for performance, Monchaux added that reliability has also been a focus for the squad ahead of the new campaign, having seen points go begging on several occasions in 2022 due to component failures.
“Throughout the course of the season, it also became relatively clear that we had reliability issues, so there [are] a lot of things we changed on the car, but also internally in terms of processes to address that topic,” said Monchaux.
"Historically, we were always very strong with reliability, but last year somehow we lost a little bit what used to be one of our biggest strengths, so it was clearly one of the focuses, or one of the areas of major focus for us last winter.”
He signed off: “The [new] car hasn’t run yet, so reliability is perfect! I assume it will stay as this. Touch wood, but I’m fairly confident we have left these issues behind us.”
Alfa Romeo will shake down the C43 in Barcelona later this week, before all 10 F1 teams head to Bahrain for pre-season testing from February 23-25.
On Tuesday, Alfa Romeo presented their new challenger and new livery for the upcoming F1 season, as the Sauber-run operation look to build on a P6 finish in last year’s constructors’ standings.
Although the car is described as an “evolution” over the C42, Monchaux oversaw “a major change of architecture” at the rear-end during the winter period, covering the suspension, gearbox, cooling layout, bodywork and more – all while taking into account ride height and diffuser rule tweaks.
Speaking at Alfa Romeo’s car launch, Monchaux commented: “We identified areas where we thought there was still potential for us to unleash, potential we wouldn’t be able to unleash in the 2022 season.
“We concentrated mainly on the rear part of the car, where we just wanted to be brave enough to do the next step in terms of pure development on the rear end, which opened the door to a lot of other solutions we couldn’t implement last year.”
Offering up more details, he continued: “In effect, we decided to change the rear axis, redoing the rear suspension, and therefore the gearbox casing, which then opens the door to new layouts, especially on the [cooling] side, which once in place allowed us to develop the bodywork.
“Last year – during the season – it was not possible, and the concept we had followed last year, we were of the opinion that [it] had come to a sort of plateau, and to unleash the next level of performance, we had to do all those changes that have been quite a journey for us, because it’s a big, big, complex part we had to re-do.
"Then, evidently, all the rear-end work we see with the floor, alongside the new regs… so we’ve really been putting a lot of effort on the second part of the car, while the front will be successively developed during the season.
“[It is] quite a change for us in terms of the bodywork and how we handle the hot air coming from the radiators, compared to last year’s car. It’s not a revolution, [as] similar solutions were on the grid already last year, but it’s something we couldn’t implement without a major change of the architecture.”
Alongside Alfa Romeo’s quest for performance, Monchaux added that reliability has also been a focus for the squad ahead of the new campaign, having seen points go begging on several occasions in 2022 due to component failures.
“Throughout the course of the season, it also became relatively clear that we had reliability issues, so there [are] a lot of things we changed on the car, but also internally in terms of processes to address that topic,” said Monchaux.
"Historically, we were always very strong with reliability, but last year somehow we lost a little bit what used to be one of our biggest strengths, so it was clearly one of the focuses, or one of the areas of major focus for us last winter.”
He signed off: “The [new] car hasn’t run yet, so reliability is perfect! I assume it will stay as this. Touch wood, but I’m fairly confident we have left these issues behind us.”
Alfa Romeo will shake down the C43 in Barcelona later this week, before all 10 F1 teams head to Bahrain for pre-season testing from February 23-25.
Roll hoops came under the spotlight after Alfa driver Zhou Guanyu's huge accident at the start of last year's British GP.
Alfa was the only team using the blade design permitted by the FIA, and in an unprecedented occurrence, its pointed top dug into the track and was eventually snapped off.
The incident prompted an investigation by the FIA, which included three meetings of the Technical Advisory Committee in which all teams play a role.
One of the conclusions reported by the FIA was that "the wording, as currently in the regulations, allows teams to homologate their roll hoops with forces acting through a lower point than intended. This can lead to the roll hoop resisting forces that are lower than originally intended by the regulations".
For 2023 the FIA duly mandated "a change to require a rounded top of the roll hoop, which will reduce the chance of it digging into the ground during an accident," plus "a change to ensure a minimum height for the point of application of the homologation test" and "the creation of a new physical homologation test where the load pushes the roll hoop in the forward direction."
In addition, the FIA confirmed that it will introduce much stricter load tests for 2024, while giving teams enough time to comply with the new requirements.
Alfa had already decided that it was too late to abandon the blade for this season.
However, in addition to complying with the 2023 requirements, including a more curved top, the team has also decided to meet the load tests planned for 2024 as an extra safety measure.
"We will use a completely different roll hoop," Alfa technical director Jan Monchaux told Motorsport.com.
"It's still a blade, because when the decision was made to change or tweak the rules, it was at a point where we had already made some strategical decisions on what is carry over and what is not, from which we couldn't revert, because it was summer.
"And all the other teams were in a similar situation. So we agreed between FIA and the teams to do effectively three steps.
"A first step is in '23, which is mainly a geometrical constraint to avoid sharp edges that cut and things like this on the top, to make it harder for a roll hoop in such a situation to dig into the track.
"For '24 there are some additional rules and some new load cases that are more demanding, that everyone will have to pass.
"What we decided to do was to already anticipate our roll hoop shape, investing extra weight, to fit the 2024 rules. Because we were involved in the accident, we didn't just want to comply with the '23 demands, we made a further step already, strictly speaking being legal for '24."
Monchaux acknowledged that the FIA would have made the stricter tests compulsory for all teams in '23 had the Zhou incident and subsequent investigation not happened so late in the season"
Even if we are probably going to have a different roll hoop in '24, we made an extra effort, because we had to and we felt obliged to do that for our drivers.
"And also, because the FIA could have changed more for '23, but it was kind of too late. At some point, you need to be also realistic, you can't force teams in August to re-do a chassis for the following season. It's too late.
"So it will still be a blade, but it's a significant departure from what we had. It's smoother, fatter, stronger. The original roll hoop did its job, because people tend to forget that it did its job, Zhou had no bruises. And now it would do an even better job, let's put it like this.
"We are working very hard also with the FIA in view of '26 to improve in general the roll hoop specification, because there is room for improvement for F1 for the topic of roll hoops, not just us. We can do a better job on this subject for '26 for the new rules."
Alfa was the only team using the blade design permitted by the FIA, and in an unprecedented occurrence, its pointed top dug into the track and was eventually snapped off.
The incident prompted an investigation by the FIA, which included three meetings of the Technical Advisory Committee in which all teams play a role.
One of the conclusions reported by the FIA was that "the wording, as currently in the regulations, allows teams to homologate their roll hoops with forces acting through a lower point than intended. This can lead to the roll hoop resisting forces that are lower than originally intended by the regulations".
For 2023 the FIA duly mandated "a change to require a rounded top of the roll hoop, which will reduce the chance of it digging into the ground during an accident," plus "a change to ensure a minimum height for the point of application of the homologation test" and "the creation of a new physical homologation test where the load pushes the roll hoop in the forward direction."
In addition, the FIA confirmed that it will introduce much stricter load tests for 2024, while giving teams enough time to comply with the new requirements.
Alfa had already decided that it was too late to abandon the blade for this season.
However, in addition to complying with the 2023 requirements, including a more curved top, the team has also decided to meet the load tests planned for 2024 as an extra safety measure.
"We will use a completely different roll hoop," Alfa technical director Jan Monchaux told Motorsport.com.
"It's still a blade, because when the decision was made to change or tweak the rules, it was at a point where we had already made some strategical decisions on what is carry over and what is not, from which we couldn't revert, because it was summer.
"And all the other teams were in a similar situation. So we agreed between FIA and the teams to do effectively three steps.
"A first step is in '23, which is mainly a geometrical constraint to avoid sharp edges that cut and things like this on the top, to make it harder for a roll hoop in such a situation to dig into the track.
"For '24 there are some additional rules and some new load cases that are more demanding, that everyone will have to pass.
"What we decided to do was to already anticipate our roll hoop shape, investing extra weight, to fit the 2024 rules. Because we were involved in the accident, we didn't just want to comply with the '23 demands, we made a further step already, strictly speaking being legal for '24."
Monchaux acknowledged that the FIA would have made the stricter tests compulsory for all teams in '23 had the Zhou incident and subsequent investigation not happened so late in the season"
Even if we are probably going to have a different roll hoop in '24, we made an extra effort, because we had to and we felt obliged to do that for our drivers.
"And also, because the FIA could have changed more for '23, but it was kind of too late. At some point, you need to be also realistic, you can't force teams in August to re-do a chassis for the following season. It's too late.
"So it will still be a blade, but it's a significant departure from what we had. It's smoother, fatter, stronger. The original roll hoop did its job, because people tend to forget that it did its job, Zhou had no bruises. And now it would do an even better job, let's put it like this.
"We are working very hard also with the FIA in view of '26 to improve in general the roll hoop specification, because there is room for improvement for F1 for the topic of roll hoops, not just us. We can do a better job on this subject for '26 for the new rules."
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can't say i'm too fond of the black and red combo either on the Alfa
#139
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It'll grow on me, but yeah, still prefer the red/white.
The new kit/merch looks good in red/black though.
The new kit/merch looks good in red/black though.
#140
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The forward 1/3 of that chassis looks so much like a MB W13
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Can't believe no one has said it yet.
It's going to be a challenge telling apart the Alfa from the Ferrari from afar!
It's going to be a challenge telling apart the Alfa from the Ferrari from afar!
#144
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^ easy, the Alfa will be the car getting lapped, oh and it's got alot of black on it's color scheme.
#145
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Especially from the front view, all you will see is black wings and red body.
#146
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Both Alfa and Williams' carts are gorgeous.
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#148
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Why there could be a shock McLaren-Honda F1 reunion
McLaren/Honda 2026?! Ron Dennis should also be brought back
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One of the articles I'd read earlier this week was talking PU suppliers for 2026.
Mercedes was only marked as supplying the works team & Williams. Not sure if that has more to do with current PU contracts, or if there's some background work already in progress for McLaren & Aston.
Mercedes was only marked as supplying the works team & Williams. Not sure if that has more to do with current PU contracts, or if there's some background work already in progress for McLaren & Aston.
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL;[url=tel:16870707
16870707[/url]]McLaren/Honda 2026?! Ron Dennis should also be brought back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqWYQFevjBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqWYQFevjBc
oh man oh man , I want this to be true
#151
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When Red Bull and Ford tied the knot, I immediately thought that McLaren and Honda made the most sense.
#152
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Slow news day!
So let's take a look at the new team apparels. So far I only see Red Bull and Williams with their new stuff out.
Red Bull Castore jacket: $120
Umbro Williams jacket $102
So let's take a look at the new team apparels. So far I only see Red Bull and Williams with their new stuff out.
Red Bull Castore jacket: $120
Umbro Williams jacket $102
#153
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Both look decent, and seem less outrageously priced from what I recall.
Team kit polos were in that price range not too long ago.
Looking through the F1 store:
McLaren has some 2023 merch
Softshell jacket: $162
Ferrari has some limited 2023 gear, as well.
Team polo: $108
Team kit polos were in that price range not too long ago.
Looking through the F1 store:
McLaren has some 2023 merch
Softshell jacket: $162
Ferrari has some limited 2023 gear, as well.
Team polo: $108
Last edited by 00TL-P3.2; 02-10-2023 at 09:27 AM.
#154
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McLaren 2023 collection also out.
Castore jacket. $150
As you can see, I'm just putting on the jacket as an example for price comparisons. Interesting that the RB and McLaren jackets are made by the same supplier but priced differently. Not sure if they are exact materials,
Castore jacket. $150
As you can see, I'm just putting on the jacket as an example for price comparisons. Interesting that the RB and McLaren jackets are made by the same supplier but priced differently. Not sure if they are exact materials,
#155
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I'm an admitted cheapass, so I'm good buying last year's kit at reduced prices
#156
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Tell me if you find any, I'd be interested as well. I was hoping to get some 2022 Red Bull Puma stuff at a discount because they were discontinuing with Puma, but I can't find anything.
#157
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Official F1 Store has some discounted RBR 22 gear
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...?_ref=m-TOPNAV
22 Team Polo: XS-XL $26
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...D:i-r8c1:po-25
22 Team Softshell: S & M only $105
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...D:i-r8c2:po-26
22 Team T-Shirt: M-2XL $21
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...D:i-r9c0:po-27
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...?_ref=m-TOPNAV
22 Team Polo: XS-XL $26
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...D:i-r8c1:po-25
22 Team Softshell: S & M only $105
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...D:i-r8c2:po-26
22 Team T-Shirt: M-2XL $21
https://f1store.formula1.com/en/red-...D:i-r9c0:po-27
#158
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Would either side really be willing to go down this road again? Obviously Honda is not the same PU supplier that they were nearly a decade ago, but I thought that bridge was burned, nuked and burried.
#159
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Alonso definitely didn't do them any favors, but maybe there's still some splinters to tiptoe over the river.
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I can see McLaren and Honda working together again. Most of the problems with the 2nd partnership were McLaren's although Honda bore some responsibility for their approaches with the management and tech solutions they attempted (axial turbo, size zero,...). It took 3 major ICE clean sheet designs to finally get it right which worked out pretty well for RBR and AT. Adrian Newey and Horner gave them alot of time and low pressure environment, and didn't expect the rate of change that. McLaren did. Also many of the Honda staff felt like it was less of a factory PU partnership and got bullied around by McLaren management, most of which are now gone.