Formula One: 2018 Season News and Discussion Thread
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Ummmm ... really? Really?!?
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Looks like a Formula E track.
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Exacta-mundo.
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From that map, it doesn't look overly exciting. Though those hairpins would be interesting. The one looks tighter than the Fairmont Hairpin in Monaco.
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F1 has been on open water bridges before at Valencia. But the Valencia bridge was pretty short and very straight. This Miami bridge is very long, so they could get some serious speed on it. I can't imagine if wheels touch that someone could be having a serious dunk in the water.
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...lo-tv-graphics
Formula 1 will introduce new data into the halo television graphic that made its debut over the Azerbaijan Grand Prix weekend and experiment more with what information fans are given.
The aesthetics of the new-for-2018 controversial driver protection device have irritated some fans, while its prominence in some onboard camera positions was only realised at the first race.
Baku's opening practice session last month featured the first use of a new TV graphic over the top of the halo to display live speed, gear and engine rev information, as well as throttle and brake usage.
F1 has access to much more of teams' data though, from common elements such as G-forces, GPS and live sector times to much more sensitive information and measurements.
"We have a number of data sets and we're going to try and add as much as we can that is available," Dean Locke, F1's director of broadcast and media, told Autosport.
"Teams aren't going to give you anything that gives another team a competitive edge, but we can work with them.
"We still have things that we've already rolled out, like G-force and other elements, that we can build into that graphic.
"There will be new elements that we bring forward.
"We have such a short winter period to get all this finished, so what we are excited about is we can put more in.
"We can get that data, and various elements, to the viewing public and excite them a little bit."
Small modifications will be made to the halo graphic after its first live use, such as thickening the edge of the RPM counter to make it clearer to see.
Individual team graphics are unlikely despite a couple of halos featuring text that clashes with the data that gets displayed.
Locke added that F1 "took influences from film, from gaming" for the design, the introduction of which was delayed because some teams evolved the aerodynamic fairings on their halo.
"That's part of where we're going now," he said. "We're listening to these great marketing and research departments now that can reach out, which we didn't utilise before."
F1 was already considering using the halo's space to accommodate a graphic before the extent of its onboard camera intrusion became clear in Australia.
"We didn't want to put something out until it ticked all the boxes really, and obviously the big box was to do something different," Justin Laurie, F1 technical producer, told Autosport.
"It's a starting point to try new things, to take a space on the screen that could be used.
"It's not doing anything, there's no information or action in that area, so we wanted to utilise that space in an innovative and creative way.
"It seems to have created a popular response, which is a really good thing."
The aesthetics of the new-for-2018 controversial driver protection device have irritated some fans, while its prominence in some onboard camera positions was only realised at the first race.
Baku's opening practice session last month featured the first use of a new TV graphic over the top of the halo to display live speed, gear and engine rev information, as well as throttle and brake usage.
F1 has access to much more of teams' data though, from common elements such as G-forces, GPS and live sector times to much more sensitive information and measurements.
"We have a number of data sets and we're going to try and add as much as we can that is available," Dean Locke, F1's director of broadcast and media, told Autosport.
"Teams aren't going to give you anything that gives another team a competitive edge, but we can work with them.
"We still have things that we've already rolled out, like G-force and other elements, that we can build into that graphic.
"There will be new elements that we bring forward.
"We have such a short winter period to get all this finished, so what we are excited about is we can put more in.
"We can get that data, and various elements, to the viewing public and excite them a little bit."
Small modifications will be made to the halo graphic after its first live use, such as thickening the edge of the RPM counter to make it clearer to see.
Individual team graphics are unlikely despite a couple of halos featuring text that clashes with the data that gets displayed.
Locke added that F1 "took influences from film, from gaming" for the design, the introduction of which was delayed because some teams evolved the aerodynamic fairings on their halo.
"That's part of where we're going now," he said. "We're listening to these great marketing and research departments now that can reach out, which we didn't utilise before."
F1 was already considering using the halo's space to accommodate a graphic before the extent of its onboard camera intrusion became clear in Australia.
"We didn't want to put something out until it ticked all the boxes really, and obviously the big box was to do something different," Justin Laurie, F1 technical producer, told Autosport.
"It's a starting point to try new things, to take a space on the screen that could be used.
"It's not doing anything, there's no information or action in that area, so we wanted to utilise that space in an innovative and creative way.
"It seems to have created a popular response, which is a really good thing."
#407
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It would suck if they replaced COTA with the Miami circuit
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With the above proposed track layout, I can't imagine it replacing it. Adding an additional N Am race would be great though.
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F1 has been on open water bridges before at Valencia. But the Valencia bridge was pretty short and very straight. This Miami bridge is very long, so they could get some serious speed on it. I can't imagine if wheels touch that someone could be having a serious dunk in the water.
The track layout looks pretty boring, with very tight turns and the long curving straights.
I'm guessing the layout was driven by preventing disruption to downtown traffic which is already pretty bad in Miami.
If the race happens, I'd go I can see it from my brother's new condo in South Beach on the bay side.
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1955 Alberto Ascari in a Lancia
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Yikes. Williams is in free-fall ... wonder if Sir Frank and/or Claire would ever let their family-owned outfit do a tie-up with the Merc factory?
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No way will Williams ever tie up to a factory. There's an immense amount of pride by the family in their team. Check out "Williams" on Netflix, that offers a lot of insight in to the mindset of the team.
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Only when the family decides to sell will they make changes.
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A year in Williams (WGF1.DE) sees a low of $16.30-->19.33; today it's at $17.50 so somehow, somewhere, people seem to have a bit of faith in the team it appears.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/11/form...snt-happy.html
Formula One (F1) has approved a new Miami street circuit Grand Prix to be added to the calendar in 2019.
However, reigning World Champion Lewis Hamilton has suggested organizers might want to have a rethink before committing fully to the idea.
The Mercedes driver indicated ahead of this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix that he had been underwhelmed by what he had seen so far.
"I don't get why, for example, in golf, all the great golfers design golf courses," Hamilton told reporters. "You have not got any of the top racing drivers in history having ever designed a race track, and I don't get it. Not that any of us are designers, but they haven't asked for our input."
"Miami is a super-cool place and I was very excited to hear about it, but when I saw the layout I was like, meh. I think it could be a lot more fun," he added.
Miami city officials voted in favor of the F1 proposal on Thursday and it's expected the race would be in addition to the U.S. Grand Prix, which has taken place in Austin, Texas, since 2012 and was won by Hamilton on five of those six occasions.
Despite the reservations of the four-time world champion, the unanimous decision of the City of Miami Commission and Miami-Dade County was welcomed by the sport.
"Formula 1 in Miami represents a fantastic opportunity to bring the greatest racing spectacle on the planet to one of the world's most iconic cities, and we are delighted that the journey is underway," said Sean Bratches, F1's commercial managing director.
Miami City Commissioner Ken Russell gave a potential sneak preview of the location and layout of the track on social media last week. Most of the course runs through the port area and features a loop around the downtown American Airlines Arena along Biscayne Bay.
However, that seems to have only enhanced Hamilton's particular reservations.
"You have got two of the longest straights, but maybe when you drive it will be fun," Hamilton said. "I dread the thought of a street circuit like we had in Valencia, which wasn't a great street circuit."
That said, Hamilton still would like to see the idea succeed and would welcome the opportunity to have some input into what would make an exciting track layout.
Formula One Chairman Chase Carey said Wednesday in a Liberty Media conference call with analysts that he hoped and believed the race would happen.
"We think this race could probably be a real signature race for us on the schedule," he said.
However, reigning World Champion Lewis Hamilton has suggested organizers might want to have a rethink before committing fully to the idea.
The Mercedes driver indicated ahead of this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix that he had been underwhelmed by what he had seen so far.
"I don't get why, for example, in golf, all the great golfers design golf courses," Hamilton told reporters. "You have not got any of the top racing drivers in history having ever designed a race track, and I don't get it. Not that any of us are designers, but they haven't asked for our input."
"Miami is a super-cool place and I was very excited to hear about it, but when I saw the layout I was like, meh. I think it could be a lot more fun," he added.
Miami city officials voted in favor of the F1 proposal on Thursday and it's expected the race would be in addition to the U.S. Grand Prix, which has taken place in Austin, Texas, since 2012 and was won by Hamilton on five of those six occasions.
Despite the reservations of the four-time world champion, the unanimous decision of the City of Miami Commission and Miami-Dade County was welcomed by the sport.
"Formula 1 in Miami represents a fantastic opportunity to bring the greatest racing spectacle on the planet to one of the world's most iconic cities, and we are delighted that the journey is underway," said Sean Bratches, F1's commercial managing director.
Miami City Commissioner Ken Russell gave a potential sneak preview of the location and layout of the track on social media last week. Most of the course runs through the port area and features a loop around the downtown American Airlines Arena along Biscayne Bay.
However, that seems to have only enhanced Hamilton's particular reservations.
"You have got two of the longest straights, but maybe when you drive it will be fun," Hamilton said. "I dread the thought of a street circuit like we had in Valencia, which wasn't a great street circuit."
That said, Hamilton still would like to see the idea succeed and would welcome the opportunity to have some input into what would make an exciting track layout.
Formula One Chairman Chase Carey said Wednesday in a Liberty Media conference call with analysts that he hoped and believed the race would happen.
"We think this race could probably be a real signature race for us on the schedule," he said.
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/t...rors-in-s.html
Ferrari have certainly raised some eyebrows in Barcelona with their radical wing mirrors which for the first time are mounted on the halo – as allowed by the regulations post-China – and also incorporate dramatic-looking winglets for aerodynamic effect.
The mirrors, which retain the unique slot within the casing that redirects air to the radiator inlet, are only connected to the winglets sprouting from the halo through a narrow strip, thus qualifying the winglet as part of the mirror to meet the letter of the regulations.
This is a great example of how even a regulation change made as a safety measure can be used by the teams to create more performance. The FIA announced between the Chinese and Azerbaijan Grands Prix that henceforth mirrors could be mounted on the halo – in order to improve visibility for the driver.
Since the move in 2016 for wider and lower rear wings, rearward visibility has been especially restricted and it was felt that this may have been contributing to contact incidents on track. Moving the mirrors from the cockpit surround to the edges of the halo has allowed a better view above the rear wing.
But Ferrari aerodynamicists have been especially quick to exploit this. The angle of the winglet implies that it redirects some of the upward wash (created from the air hitting the front of the car) downwards.
Getting that part of the airflow angled back down earlier will give a better airflow to the edges of the rear wing and may even be used to further accelerate the air along the lower part of the bodywork, past the 'Coke-bottle' section.
This will likely give only marginal gains, but it illustrates the intensity of the search for every gram of performance that typifies F1.
Formula 1 teams are always striving for marginal gains – and that was evident ahead of the Spanish Grand Prix when Ferrari unveiled their halo-mounted mirrors. So what aerodynamic difference will this new design make? Mark Hughes explains…
Ferrari have certainly raised some eyebrows in Barcelona with their radical wing mirrors which for the first time are mounted on the halo – as allowed by the regulations post-China – and also incorporate dramatic-looking winglets for aerodynamic effect.
The mirrors, which retain the unique slot within the casing that redirects air to the radiator inlet, are only connected to the winglets sprouting from the halo through a narrow strip, thus qualifying the winglet as part of the mirror to meet the letter of the regulations.
This is a great example of how even a regulation change made as a safety measure can be used by the teams to create more performance. The FIA announced between the Chinese and Azerbaijan Grands Prix that henceforth mirrors could be mounted on the halo – in order to improve visibility for the driver.
Since the move in 2016 for wider and lower rear wings, rearward visibility has been especially restricted and it was felt that this may have been contributing to contact incidents on track. Moving the mirrors from the cockpit surround to the edges of the halo has allowed a better view above the rear wing.
But Ferrari aerodynamicists have been especially quick to exploit this. The angle of the winglet implies that it redirects some of the upward wash (created from the air hitting the front of the car) downwards.
Getting that part of the airflow angled back down earlier will give a better airflow to the edges of the rear wing and may even be used to further accelerate the air along the lower part of the bodywork, past the 'Coke-bottle' section.
This will likely give only marginal gains, but it illustrates the intensity of the search for every gram of performance that typifies F1.
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As for the free-fall, it is very sad. A once very great team that also overcame many lows amongst the highs.
This period has been going on for over a decade, although Williams was 3rd in the 2014 and 2015 WCC ahead of Ferrari.
Despite the public arguing between William's Technical Director Patrick Head and BMW's motorsport director Mario Theissen, Head was supposedly privately selling his Williams shares (he had 30% at one point) to BMW.
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Sky is superior to NBC in every way. Better commentators, better coverage, better analysis, better access to the teams and drivers, better streaming, and no commercials.
I get that it's frustrating that qualifying was not on tv, but I normally watch it on streaming delay anyway.
I get that it's frustrating that qualifying was not on tv, but I normally watch it on streaming delay anyway.
as far as ESPN having it, again they fucked up and there is no commentator audio on fp2 for the 1st almost 15 min
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Lewis needs to stop whining about how he would do a better job with the Miami street circuit. We know it sucks, but street circuits are dictated by existing streets, city planning, noise restrictions, right of way, traffic congestion, utility agreements, etc. You can't just pick the hottest part of South Beach and design a layout.
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https://www.formula1.com/en/video/20...to_Spain_.html
Will Buxton covers the aero upgrades at Spain. Really interesting stuff that Red Bull, Ferrari, and McLaren are introducing. This is why I love F1.
Will Buxton covers the aero upgrades at Spain. Really interesting stuff that Red Bull, Ferrari, and McLaren are introducing. This is why I love F1.
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$99.99 for full season of F1 TV coverage. Currently 10% off if you sign up by the end of the month. Wish there was an option for a free trial this weekend now that it has been released. Still only on PC so far though.
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I've tried 4x to subscribe to that service and it must be just crashing because I can't get it done.
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Must have been some crash for Hartley , glad he's OK
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It was-backwards in to the barrier at Turn 8 at high speed.
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Current view of "streaming" F1 race in Spain
Technical difficulties time
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Like I was saying, the reason I don't like RoGro:
Grosjean is one of only two drivers – the other is Sergey Sirotkin – who has yet to score a point after five races this season. His streak extends to nine if you include the last four races of 2017.
Grosjean is one of only two drivers – the other is Sergey Sirotkin – who has yet to score a point after five races this season. His streak extends to nine if you include the last four races of 2017.
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Why did he (RoGro) keep his foot planted on the throttle as he spun around? It put him right in the middle of the pack of oncoming cars and ultimately took out both the Hulk and Gasly.
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I think he was trying to shoot over to the inside of the track and out of harm's way. If he would've stayed where he was in the middle of the track, who knows how many cars would have plowed in to him?
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Really? To me it looks like he was trying to save the spin, but would've been better off just letting the car slide to the outside where he was before he started smoking those rear tires.
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To say Haas Team Principal Guenther Steiner was unhappy with the FIA penalising Romain Grosjean for causing a collision at the start of the Spanish Grand Prix would be an understatement…
“That’s kicking the guy in the face when he’s on his knees,” said Steiner, moments after learning of Grosjean’s three-place grid penalty, that will be doubly painful as it will be applied at the upcoming Monaco Grand Prix where overtaking is notoriously difficult.As the field approached Turn 3 at Barcelona, Grosjean was forced to take avoiding action to miss Haas team mate Kevin Magnussen, who had a wobble mid-corner just up in front.
Grosjean lost control of the car, spearing across the track, while keeping his foot on the gas, and creating a cloud of smoke. He collected Nico Hulkenberg and Pierre Gasly, forcing all three out of the race instantly.
If he had stood still maybe he would have knocked five out, we don’t know.Guenther Steiner
“He tried to get out of the way, that it his explanation,” said Steiner. “He tried to get across the track to get out of it and he hit two.
“He was turned and he said ‘I had a decision to make, do I stand still or do I go through?’ He went through and he knocked two out.
“If he had stood still maybe he would have knocked five out, we don’t know. It’s never a good position to be in, the middle of a car track, whatever you do. For me it’s a start incident.
“Yes, it doesn’t look good when you accelerate when are in the middle of the track, but it’s a millisecond decision that you need to make and he made the decision to run across.
“I feel sorry for them that they were taken out but he didn’t try an overtaking manoeuvre to take them out or understeer into anything.
“At the moment his reputation is not the highest one to do things he shouldn’t be doing so maybe he’s an easy target.”
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Things sound bad over at Williams ....
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...-wurz-1036896/
Meanwhile, Leclerc the Rook continues to impress ....
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/w...-wurz-1036896/
Meanwhile, Leclerc the Rook continues to impress ....
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The presence of Paddy Lowe = 0. That's too bad, always a perennial favorite of mine