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Old 08-02-2017, 10:02 AM   #921
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Looking at his arm in that picture it seems amazing to me that he has the strength to handle the car for long periods. Just doesn't look like he has much muscle left in the arm.
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I knew it was bad from the accident's description, but seeing it for the first time is shocking. It's amazing that he is still racing.
From the very little that I've read, the guys running Renault have a deep and affectionate relationship with Kubrick, and LCH has deep respect for RK that dates back to their karting days.

I remain skeptical that he's up to the demands of occupying a regular race seat at Renault, but would love to be proven dead wrong and have no doubt that he'd be a great asset in Renault's chassis development.
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The Lowdown on Robert Kubica's Hungary Formula One Test - The Drive

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For weeks, we have been anticipating our chance to see Robert Kubica back in a current Formula One car. We got that chance today, when Kubica completed 142 laps of the Hungaroring between the morning and afternoon test sessions, cheered on by an army of fans from the main grandstand. Half way through the day, Kubica met the requirements for an FIA Super Licence, passing the 300-kilometer mark on his 69th lap. His best time in the morning session was a 1:19.681, and in the afternoon, 1:18.572, gaining over a second throughout the course of the day's events.

To put that into context, the fastest race lap for a Renault was 1:21.589, set by Jolyon Palmer. Palmer's best qualifying lap was in Q2, when he put down a 1:18.415, and Nico Hülkenberg later pipped him in Q3 with a 1:17.468. This puts Kubica within two-tenths of Jolyon Palmer after less than a full day of testing, whereas Palmer has practiced, qualified, and raced in the R.S.17 for a full eleven race weekends. The temperature may be in part to blame for the delta, with peak temperatures during the race weekend not exceeding 33º C, whereas today's temperatures reached as high as 36º C.

Furthermore, Phillip Horton of GPUpdate, who was present at the test today, describes Kubica's performance as quick and smooth, but reserved, with minimal use of curbs. He states that he saw no obvious faults in the way Kubica handles the physically demanding 2017 cars.

As Kubica mentioned in an interview yesterday, his pace is one of the less important factors to examine after today's testing. Never mind the fact that the general public knows nothing of the factors differing between today's test sessions and the real qualifying and race sessions, such as fuel load, tire compound, track temperature, and setup— this test's first priority was probably gauging whether or not Kubica could overcome his injuries and withstand long runs in a current Formula One car. Not only has he proven himself capable of enduring a full race weekend (condensed to one day, no less,) but he has also shown the ability to match Jolyon Palmer from right out of the gate.

As of the end of the test, no decisions have yet been made regarding Kubica's potential comeback. When asked by Crash if Kubica is yet an option for 2018, Alain Prost replied, "we’ve said that we have a decision for F1 next year, not next week. [...] He has recovered, for sure. I wish that he can come back to Formula 1 if possible.”

Kubica too is unsure what this test means for his future in Formula One. "It has been an incredible journey to this point, where I have answered many questions to myself," said Kubica, "it’s too early to say what the next step might be."

We are left with some positives to reflect on. Robert Kubica has proven his injured right arm does not stand between him and driving modern Formula One cars at race pace, for race distance. With a fraction as much practice, he is nipping at the heels of Jolyon Palmer. Nothing is set in stone, but the chisel and hammer are out.
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If he is already fairly closely matching Palmers pace I would really love him to get the rest of the season to drive for them. I know Palmer has had a lot of retirements that were not his fault but even when he is out there he just doesn't look that great in my opinion. What better way to give Kubica a shot in a car once agains than to just give him the rest of the season as a trial before committing him to a possible ful season next year.
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Agreed, the times are impressive for his first time in the '17-spec car. And he turned, what, 2.5 race distances?

Curious, are these tests run in full race-spec?
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Formula 1 could introduce standard parts to cut costs ? Carey - F1 - Autosport

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Formula 1 could introduce standard parts to address the huge spending disparity across the grid, CEO Chase Carey has confirmed.

The budgets of F1 teams vary wildly, with Ferrari spending an estimated £330million last year as the likes of Force India and Sauber spent £90m and £95m respectively.

McLaren executive director Zak Brown has backed a budget cap in the past, and also claimed "there are some that think we should standardise some parts".

Carey has now confirmed that standard parts is an option F1 has considered to cut costs, as he reiterated Liberty's sporting chief Ross Brawn's claim that technology should not be "dumbed down".

"There are many paths to get there, whether it's cost caps, or other ways to address key components of the car," said Carey.

"We're not looking to standardise the car - we think it is very important to continue to have a sport that is competition married to state of the art technologies.

"We're not looking to dumb the cars down, but I think we can standardise components of it.

"We are certainly looking for ways to address what some of the teams in particular spend.

"That would improve the overall economics of the business and enable everybody in it to benefit, as well as improving the competition."

It is not known what F1 would seek to standardise, although Brown suggested it should be parts that "don't improve the show and the fans don't recognise the difference", like suspension components.

Carey has also revealed "preliminary meetings" have been held with teams regarding cost cutting, although the objective was not to make everybody's budget the same.

"One of the challenges we have today is there are a handful of teams that clearly spend at a level that's much different from the others, and you can see the results on the track," said Carey.

"So if we can bring the costs into an area where they are more comparable - not equal - to each other, it can enhance competition and would make the economics of the business much better.

"We've begun that process with the teams, so we've had some preliminary meetings.

"There are some big components to it, like addressing the engine, which is probably the most complicated part of the car as a whole.

"It is certainly our goal to address those costs, and we think the sport will on many levels benefit from that."
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No doubt the WEC is scaring the crap out of F1.
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No doubt the WEC is scaring the crap out of F1.
Not necessarily. Sports cars has always been a boom and bust sport.
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I hope they don't standardize anything. Seeing what each team comes up with each season is one of the best parts of the sport to me.
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I hope they don't standardize anything. Seeing what each team comes up with each season is one of the best parts of the sport to me.
Too bad the tires and ECU are already standardized.
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I hope they don't standardize anything. Seeing what each team comes up with each season is one of the best parts of the sport to me.
The problem with that is, generally, we have a good idea where everyone fits after the second or third race. Engineering is such that no driver can really overcome it. The best car appears to win. I'm inclined to agree with you, I appreciate the engineering aspect of the sport, but I can see its obvious drawbacks.
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Too bad the tires and ECU are already standardized.
Yes so lets not add anymore to the list.
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The problem with that is, generally, we have a good idea where everyone fits after the second or third race. Engineering is such that no driver can really overcome it. The best car appears to win. I'm inclined to agree with you, I appreciate the engineering aspect of the sport, but I can see its obvious drawbacks.
It is true that after someone figures out something works everyone copies but it definitely makes the early few races extra exciting to me as you see who had the best developement ideas between seasons.
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Added weight of 'Halo' concerning to some in F1 paddock

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While most critics focus on the aesthetics, the added weight of the "Halo" cockpit safety device might actually have a more significant impact on Formula 1.

The fact the carbon-titanium cockpit protection system will be mandatory on all cars next year has sparked a furious debate. And while some rail against the questionable aesthetics of the addition to the traditional open cockpit, another major consideration is the 10-plus kilograms (approximately 22 pounds) that Halo weighs.

Lewis Hamilton said: "You cannot ignore Halo if it improves safety by 17 percent. It just doesn't look good, and the extra weight isn't good either."

Carlos Sainz added: "We should not have to be as slim as cyclists just because of the cars."

F1 legend Niki Lauda even thinks Halo "destroys the DNA" of Formula 1, but Valtteri Bottas does not quite agree with his Mercedes boss.

"I don't think Halo will hurt Formula 1," Bottas told Auto Bild. "It is a safety improvement, like so many others in the history of the sport, which is good for us drivers. The only drawback is the extra weight because the heavier the cars are, the less exciting they are."
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The problem with that is, generally, we have a good idea where everyone fits after the second or third race. Engineering is such that no driver can really overcome it. The best car appears to win. I'm inclined to agree with you, I appreciate the engineering aspect of the sport, but I can see its obvious drawbacks.
James Allison, Technical Director of MBZ (former TD of Ferrrari) said today's F1 car's performance/success are 80% car and 20% driver.

I would like to see some off-the-shelf components such as gears and semiautomated gearboxes.
It would help the lower end teams.
One area to lower cost would limit the number of aero elements on the cars, some teams like MBZ now have >100 aero engineers doing massive CFD modelling which makes it really hard for the little teams to compete aerodynamically,
Although Force India has done pretty well with their little team, considering they're 4th in the championship.
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Formula 1 needs more teams like former backmarker Minardi because there are currently too few opportunities for young drivers to break through, according to Haas team principal Gunther Steiner.

Minardi raced in F1 for 21 years from 1985 and was renowned for giving young talented drivers a chance with the likes of Fernando Alonso, Giancarlo Fisichella, Jarno Trulli and Mark Webber all getting their start in F1 with the team.

With the departure of HRT, Caterham and Manor, which was responsible for giving Mercedes juniors Pascal Wehrlein and Esteban Ocon debuts last year, F1 is lacking a back-of-the-grid entry point like Minardi offered.

As a result, Ferrari is in talks to make Sauber its junior team to become a proving ground for its youngsters, including Charles Leclerc and Antonio Giovinazzi, to gather race experience in F1.

"The difficulty for young drivers is they need to be in the right time at the right place," said Steiner.

"There is nothing else you can do for it, at the moment you cannot even buy a cockpit.

"When Minardi was around, Minardi was maybe happy to be last, that was their duty to bring drivers up.

"Maybe they were not happy to be last but they could live with it because that was their business model: to develop drivers, that's a good business model.

"It's like when [Daniel] Ricciardo drove the HRT [in 2011], you knew he was not going to do anything but it gave him experience and that's not there anymore.

"It's maybe a good thing we don't have these teams [running at the back], [but] maybe it's a bad thing too."

Steiner says the big teams are reluctant to run young drivers without previous F1 experience, particularly given the big step between F2 and the new generation of F1 cars.

"I think they [Leclerc and Giovinazzi] are both good guys, with very good potential," said Steiner.

"Between Ferrari and Mercedes, the next good guys will come out of one of them.

"[But] how they get into a seat is difficult, Formula 1 in that respect is very difficult.

"F2 to F1, it's a different ball game, it's such a big gap. You need a little bit of learning.

"To put Charles or Antonio straight away in a Ferrari, it's a big risk.

"It can go well, but there are bigger chances it goes wrong, because the expectations are so high.

"The sport is so complex, you make mistakes when you're young because you don't have experience. You cannot buy experience - you need time."
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40th anniversary of Williams Grand Prix Engineering this year.
Fist 20 years, the team won 9 WCC, 7 WDC, and 104 GP.
Second 20 years they've won 10 GP.
Hoping they can return to their former glory.
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Me too but it'll never happen as a non-works team; the chasm between the top 3 and the rest is too large.
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Me too but it'll never happen as a non-works team; the chasm between the top 3 and the rest is too large.
You never know with F1. In a few years with the new formula.... Williams with a works Audi or Porsche engine?
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The raw-ness of the older cars, the shriek of the later cars & the speed of the current crop (without the eargasmic sound).

Also forgot about the Williams 6-wheeler.
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Formula 1 could adopt a driverless safety car in the future as part of an effort to promote autonomous technology, the FIA has revealed.

Motorsport's governing body is determined to ensure that drivers remain a key element of F1's attraction, but have discussed how it could promote driverless cars through other elements of a grand prix weekend.

Marcin Budkowski, the head of the FIA's F1 technical department, has suggested that a driverless safety car would be a good way of proving automotive advances without detracting from the show.

"Let me give you an example, but it is not the only one: we have spoken about an unmanned safety car," Budkowski told Autosport.

"It would promote a technology about which there is a bit of scepticism and, instead, it could be shown that it works.

"The safety car driver would no longer be essential, because it would leave the controls to the computer.

"But we must be aware of the attraction of [F1] race cars without drivers: the engineers would love it, but not the fans."

Although Budkowski is sceptical about potential fan interest in a driverless F1, he does think that other series like Roborace do have a role to play in promoting autonomous developments.

Roborace, the world's first competition for driverless cars, was announced last year as part of a tie-up with electric series Formula E.

"I see it [Roborace] as a very interesting thing, which pushes things in one direction," said Budkowski.

"But can this idea of having no F1 driver captivate millions around the world? Frankly I have doubts.

"However, using the motorsport platform to promote to the public new technologies, like an unmanned safety car, or events like Roborace, can be fantastic in exploring the possibility of new solutions."

Budkowski was recruited to the FIA, after years working for McLaren and Ferrari, to help formulate plans for adapting grand prix racing to better suit future technologies.

"The FIA was starting a project on connected autonomous vehicles, and it wanted to understand how it should be placed in front of these new technologies," added Budkowski.

"The idea was to understand what will change with autonomous driving in the automotive world, and what influences it would have on the individual national federations.

"There were also implications in defining the business model, not to mention how to use the new technologies in motorsport to promote them - because solutions will completely change the world of cars and safety.

"Autonomous driving will have a very strong impact on safety and we know how the FIA and [president] Jean Todt are engaged in the Action for Road Safety campaign."
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The raw-ness of the older cars, the shriek of the later cars & the speed of the current crop (without the eargasmic sound).

Also forgot about the Williams 6-wheeler.





You mean the Tyrrell 6-wheeler ?
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Precisely-making them a works team then, not a Haas with a 2nd last generation Ferrari engine.
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Kimi to stay at the Scuderia for 2018

I thought maybe LeClerk would get the seat but in light of Vettel's demands Kimi drives alongside, I'm not surprised.
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Honda has changed the way it evaluates developments for its Formula 1 engine, according to its project leader Yusuke Hasegawa.

The Japanese manufacturer has had a frustrating start to its third season in F1, with poor reliability and a lack of power threatening its future with McLaren.

Last month, Hasegawa said Honda had struggled with correlation between the dyno and the track but now says it has changed its approach with less reliance on dyno results to prove a specification.

"We are changing our way of development," he told Autosport. "We're not too much insisting on mono-cylinder [dyno] development.

"We can check factors or elements or many concepts with the mono-cylinder [block] but we now understand we need to check with the V6 to finalise our specification.

"So we are no longer relying too much on the mono-cylinder results.

"As a reference, the mono cylinder test is important but to find the performance, we need to check the V6 results."

The MGU-H has been a particular problem for Honda this season, with Japanese manufacturer encountering a series of failures.

Following a reliability update a Silverstone, Hasegawa feels Honda may have finally got on top of the issue.

"The MGU-H failure took a very long time to solve," said Hasegawa.

"We had many small issues in the engine - and that area is difficult to understand on the dyno.

"We are about to solve that [MGU-H] issue, we just need to confirm on the circuit.

"But the MGU-H specification we have introduced includes solutions for the problem so I believe it's OK."
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Talks about Toro Rosso taking on Honda power for 2018 have fallen through, according to reports in the Italian press.

Prior to the summer break, rumours were rife that the junior Red Bull-owned team could take over from Sauber as a Honda 'customer' for 2018.

"After several weeks, the negotiations have stopped for financial reasons," the Italian source Autosprint claimed.

"It is no mystery that to make the Japanese power unit attractive, it would be about the financial contribution that a manufacturer like Honda could bring."

Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera agreed that Toro Rosso has said 'no' to Honda.

"It (the Toro Rosso deal) would also have been a test-bench for a possible change of direction for Red Bull as well, but now everything has collapsed," it said.

"It seems that Red Bull asked for too much money.

"Now, if McLaren leaves, Honda will be automatically out of formula one."
Looks like a no to Toro Rosso-Honda.
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The story behind the FW08B is a interesting one, it was conceived by Patrick Head/Frank Dernie in the middle of 1981 as a way to generate more downforce with less drag.
Using four front tires for the rear drive meant a narrower tire with less drag and allowed the ground effect venturi tunnels to further extend to the rear tires since the tire were narrower than the traditional 21" wide rear tire.
The concept was first tried as a FW07D, which used a unique dual differential with a Hewland gearbox. Although heavier, it produced lots of downforce and had less drag, in testing it was very quick.

The FW08 was originally intended to be a 6 wheeler, but FIA changd the number of wheels to 4 in a new rule in the 1981/2 winter development.
Dernie/Head and their staff hurriedly redesigned the six wheel FW08B to the 4 wheel FW08 in the early 1982 but the car wasn't ready until the 5th race.
Despite the redesign the FW08 won the 1982 WDC with Keke Rosberg and was revised as the FW08C with shorter non-ground effect flat bottom sidepods for 1983.

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