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Old 05-10-2017, 03:57 PM   #601
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Teams are placing the larger number and driver's abbreviated names on the shark fin now. I don't see the point of this. Are viewers really that clueless when watching the races to need this?
I suppose this is all part of Liberty Media's push to "grow the sport".... especially in the "digital space"... perhaps by making the viewing experience more like a video game?

Let's just hope Chase Carey and co. don't look to NASCAR telecasts for inspiration and try to put a "data bubble" over every car on the screen....
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I have to go to this race someday, wifey and I have talked about it thinking Spain would be a wonderful place to go. Love driving this track on the F1 2016 game.
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So what is the plan going to be when they get rid of the shark fins?
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So what is the plan going to be when they get rid of the shark fins?
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Watched a few minutes of FP1 this morning and the MB W08 has many bodywork and aero changes for Spain,
New diffuser, nose, front/rear wing, floor, bargeboards,...
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McLaren-Honda blew up again. This time on the first lap of practice.

Odds of Alonso not finishing any races in 2017? Very high!
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^ only made it to two corners after leaving the pits, unbelievable!
Honda blaming the failure on a massive oil leak.
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McLaren-Honda blew up again. This time on the first lap of practice.

Odds of Alonso not finishing any races in 2017? Very high!
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^ only made it to two corners after leaving the pits, unbelievable!
Honda blaming the failure on a massive oil leak.
Wow... a real shitshow.
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maybe the "shitshow" took a turn for the better?
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^ apparently, Alonso 7th on the grid!
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now if that POS Honda will just last the entirety of the race.
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Q3 and P7.... must be the home track effect? Now let's see if they can avoid a DNF.... Otherwise, it may be "game, set, match" for Nando at McLaren, if it's not already....


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Quote of the race

Vettel "Why is it always Masssa?"

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Vettel "Why is it always Masssa?"


I love Seb. Fierce competitor on track/radio, but he also always seems to be the most chatty (friendly) and mature in the post-race coverage, too. With LCH in the post-race presser: "I gave you space, too.... We're still here."


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Victory seems to be decided by the slimmest of margins. A decision here, a strategy there.
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Victory seems to be decided by the slimmest of margins. A decision here, a strategy there.
Good to see. If only RBR could be in the discussion as well.
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Ricciardo was in his own little world, last I saw, he was over a minute behind Ham/Seb; a few more laps & only the front 2 would've been on the lead lap.
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Ricciardo was in his own little world, last I saw, he was over a minute behind Ham/Seb; a few more laps & only the front 2 would've been on the lead lap.
Yup. I don't remember the cameras even picking up Ricciardo once. If not for the position feed, I wouldn't even know that he was still in the race.
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Ricciardo was in his own little world, last I saw, he was over a minute behind Ham/Seb; a few more laps & only the front 2 would've been on the lead lap.
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Yup. I don't remember the cameras even picking up Ricciardo once. If not for the position feed, I wouldn't even know that he was still in the race.
Daniel Who? I'm also starting to wonder if Newey's spending too much of his time working on Aston Martin's road-going hyper-car (see 2nd vid below)?



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I love Seb. Fierce competitor on track/radio, but he also always seems to be the most chatty (friendly) and mature in the post-race coverage, too. With LCH in the post-race presser: "I gave you space, too.... We're still here."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3HW9nB7Ec

Also a fan of Vettel, I think at times he does not get the amount of respect from the press and some fans. IMO, he's proving himself at Ferrari this year no doubt.
He very tenacious in his driving and brings in results (only 1's and 2nd's so far this seaon with no DNF's).
The gossip on the street is MB want to hire him for 2018 (I wrote about that a couple months ago).
The lack of respect that Arrivabene and Marchionne showed him last year with their comments about Vettel's results and motivation may come back to haunt them this fall.
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Also a fan of Vettel, I think at times he does not get the amount of respect from the press and some fans. IMO, he's proving himself at Ferrari this year no doubt.
He very tenacious in his driving and brings in results (only 1's and 2nd's so far this seaon with no DNF's).
The gossip on the street is MB want to hire him for 2018 (I wrote about that a couple months ago).
The lack of respect that Arrivabene and Marchionne showed him last year with their comments about Vettel's results and motivation may come back to haunt them this fall.
Couldn't agree more. He's a consummate pro and exhibits both emotional/social maturity and calm under pressure as well. He basically saved the Scuderia's (and his own) quali session by simply asking "Are you sure?" when his engineers asked him to shut it down and pull over on his first out lap. If I were a principle, I'd certainly want him in my paddock....
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Not related to this season, but not really worthy of its own thread.
Anyone have a source for prior season races, in English? Sukhoi on dailymotion has some, but a lot aren't in English. Working from home the next couple days while my wife's out of town, so figured why not watch some older races. Started with 1987 the last time I worked from home for a couple days, a few months ago & am midway through 1988 now.
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Not related to this season, but not really worthy of its own thread.
Anyone have a source for prior season races, in English? Sukhoi on dailymotion has some, but a lot aren't in English. Working from home the next couple days while my wife's out of town, so figured why not watch some older races. Started with 1987 the last time I worked from home for a couple days, a few months ago & am midway through 1988 now.
A great question, in which I'm also interested.

You've undoubtedly already done this, but I searched for and found some full races from the 1990s available on YouTube, but nothing very complete or systematic.

Posts on a channel maintained by "TVNowShowRacing" seem like the best bet. Hope this is of some use.












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Not related to this season, but not really worthy of its own thread.
Anyone have a source for prior season races, in English? Sukhoi on dailymotion has some, but a lot aren't in English. Working from home the next couple days while my wife's out of town, so figured why not watch some older races. Started with 1987 the last time I worked from home for a couple days, a few months ago & am midway through 1988 now.
Actually found that Sukhoi's channel is pretty good. Watched 1989, 1990 & 1994. Working on 1995 now, just finished Brazil.
Even knowing it was coming, 1994 San Marino was tough to watch
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I've watch some old races occasionally, two of my favorite moments are the 1979 French Grand Prix (the battle for 2nd between Arnoux and Villeneuve) and 1998 Belgium Grand Prix (were Hill and Schumacher brought home the first win and 1-2 for Jordan.

Go to minute 18:10 in the Belgium video in the "dailymotion" link below (not the French GP video) and you will see a stressed out Eddie Jordan watchuing his two cars in 1-2 getting a back massage by Ron Dennis.
Despite having Couldhard in 3rd place but very far behind the two Jordan's, Dennis left the McLaren pits and went to Jordan to "de-stress" Eddie and cheer him on.
Still amusing today seeing Ron Dennis giving Eddie Jordan a back massage while Jordan was having an emotional time trying to comprehend his two Jordan's coming in 1-2.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1...v-part-3_sport

The 1979 French Grand Prix was epic in the extreme limit driving by Arnoux and Villeneuve driving at the limits for 2nd place in the last few laps.

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Montoya on the Schumachers, the 2017 F1 grid and more




Montoya, always speaks his mind and never candy coats his opinion.
The interview with Kimi is also amusing
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There’s been little to separate Mercedes and Ferrari this year, despite the fact that both teams have adopted very different car design philosophies. But will one of those core differences - the distance between the front and rear wheels - give the Prancing Horse the upper hand in Monaco?

Every Formula One season produces its technical hot topic. It doesn’t have to be a new development (though it frequently is) – it can be merely something that one competitive team has, and another does not. From the F-Duct to FRIC by way of a blown diffuser, this one design detail becomes emblematic of the bigger technical battle for on-track dominance raging non-stop behind the scenes. This year’s popular differentiator isn’t quite so complex as those that have gone before: some cars are simply longer than others.

While the dimensions of a car in front of the front axle and behind the rear axle are largely constrained through the technical regulations, the distance between the two axles – the car's wheelbase – is one of very few external dimensions on a Formula One car not specified in the regs: it can be as long or as short as a team desires, with that decision resting on a number of engineering compromises.

There are pros and cons with both long and short cars – though general consensus is that a short wheelbase may be advantageous on the tighter circuits whereas a longer car could be useful on the faster tracks that come later in the year. Monaco is the first circuit where it’s really likely to matter: will Ferrari, by virtue of having a shorter wheelbase, have an advantage – however small – over Mercedes on the cramped streets of the Principality?
The long and short of it
In itself, the amount of variation in wheelbase isn’t unusual. What does pique the interest, however, is the way in which the spread has developed: faced with a new set of technical regulations, some teams have shortened their wheelbase, while others have lengthened it.

While teams are understandably coy about revealing hard data, the general consensus points to a difference between longest and shortest of about 21cm. In F1 terms that represents a differentiation of engineering philosophy rather than a rounding margin. And the thing that has everyone interested is that one car in particular is absolutely massive.

“From what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t say there’s a huge range – it’s more than there are one or two outliers,” says Williams Chief Technical Officer Paddy Lowe. “Mercedes are the longest, followed by Force India – but a lot of that is probably dictated by designs coming from Mercedes as Force India use Mercedes’ power unit and rear end.

“At Williams, we make our own gearbox, so we’re not tied in like that. I think the rest of the teams are in a similar cluster. Maybe we’re among the shortest, but it’s not a huge range.”

Having had a wheelbase of around 3,500mm for the W07 in 2016, analysis by other teams puts Mercedes’ 2017 W08 at about 3,760mm. At the other end of the scale, Williams’ FW40 comes in at around 3,545mm – around 45mm shorter than their 2016 FW38 – though as mentioned, the disparity everyone is studying most closely is that between Mercedes and Ferrari, with the latter measuring approximately 3,594mm – a full 166mm shorter than its championship rival.
The aerodynamic case for going long…
There are various reasons for choosing a particular length of wheelbase. A team may want a longer car to better package powertrain components, or to work with a design concept for cooling, or aerodynamic efficiency.

Even if the length itself isn’t directly a factor in those considerations, the technical regulations mandate weight distribution within a narrow range, and this may make a team build a car of a certain length to ensure they have all of the characteristics they want, while having a car in compliance on the scales.

According to James Key, technical director of Toro Rosso, any and all of these things will be influencing the variance in wheelbase this year – though he suspects the new aero regulations for 2017, and in particular those relating to the bigger diffuser, are what may be pushing teams to build cars that are longer than usual.

“I think this year the reason we’re seeing a difference with longer cars than we’ve seen before is because the diffuser is more powerful,” he says. “A longer wheelbase can mean more floor area and, in conjunction with the big, sucking diffuser, you can gain a bit more downforce out of it. From the aero point-of-view it’s a slightly more sensitive parameter than maybe it was with the previous regulations.”
…but why you don’t want to ‘build a bus’
The obvious problem with designing a longer car is that F1 circuits occasionally feature very tight corners, which imposes certain restrictions on designers.

“From the vehicle dynamics point of view, it’s a limitation,” concedes Key. “The shorter you are, the smaller steering angle you require and vice versa.

“I don’t think anyone is anywhere near the ultimate limitation – if you built an F1 car with a bus-sized wheelbase you would struggle to get the steering angle you need to get the car around the corner – but even without being near the limit, there are tiny compromises in low-speed corners, particularly the hairpin in Monaco – but also around Rascasse and the hairpins at the Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve and Hockenheim.

“You would have to go some way with wheelbase before you got serious detrimental effects – but there are small effects in there that you monitor as you go.”

The flip side of argument is that, while a longer wheelbase may be detrimental for steering in low-speed corners, it has advantages for stability. Key explains: “if you have a longer wheelbase, you can build a biggest stability margin into your car because you’ve got bigger moments [the turning effect of a force] at play to try to keep it aligned with the direction that you’re trying to go in, particularly under braking, when you have a ‘weathercock effect’ with the two axles: if they’re close together, any instability you have is reacted by a much smaller moment arm.”
Piling on the pounds
While aerodynamics and vehicle dynamics are directly affected by wheelbase, another aspect of the car affected is weight: longer sections of chassis, gearbox etc., obviously require more material – but the weight gain is more than simply adding length as the longer sections are often also required to be thicker.

Paddy Lowe explains: “Obviously, the car is heavier by the slice you’ve created somewhere – but then you have to throw more weight at the system if you want to achieve a given stiffness level, both in terms of bending and torsional rigidity.”

This certainly seems to be borne out by Mercedes’ acknowledged struggle to get their car down to a target weight, as referenced by Lewis Hamilton in Spain, where he revealed that he is currently foregoing a drinks bottle in the car in an effort to reduce weight.
Getting circuit specific
So, a longer car is liable to be more stable, and perhaps has slightly more downforce, versus a shorter car that is more nimble in low-speed corners and, in a season when teams are struggling to hit the minimum weight limit, less likely to suffer a weight penalty.

Both Lowe and Key are keen to stress that the differences are minimal – but F1 is a sport built on the accumulation of minimal advantages.

“As an engineer, if you could afford to have wheelbase as a set-up change, you’d use it!” says Key. “You can’t – it would be enormously expensive and incredibly complicated – but there would be a small gain and at the moment in the midfield, half a tenth is making a difference in qualifying.

“You’d take a long-wheelbase car to places like Spa and Silverstone to get a couple of benefits for braking and maybe high-speed corners. The shorter cars have slightly more manoeuvrability in low speed and so in places like Singapore, Hungary and, of course, Monaco, you’d want a shorter one.”

Lewis Hamilton neatly summed-up the situation after the Chinese Grand Prix, saying: “Our car is longer, so when we get to Monaco I don’t know how I’m going to get my car around some of those very, very tight corners. Then at the longer, faster circuits like Suzuka, I think we’re going to be in a real strong position.”

The question is: will Lewis be proved right?
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215mm = 8.46457in

That is a pretty big difference. I am surprised there is that much allowed difference in the regulations honestly.

The difference betwen Merc and Ferrari is 166mm or 6.53543in. I wonder if that has anything to do with the Ferrari seeming to do better in the corners than the Merc.
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215mm = 8.46457in

That is a pretty big difference. I am surprised there is that much allowed difference in the regulations honestly.

The difference betwen Merc and Ferrari is 166mm or 6.53543in. I wonder if that has anything to do with the Ferrari seeming to do better in the corners than the Merc.
in the tighter more complicated sections i would have to say yes. Monaco should be the real teller of if it is or not.
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Daniel Who? I'm also starting to wonder if Newey's spending too much of his time working on Aston Martin's road-going hyper-car (see 2nd vid below)?
After a less than stellar start to the 2017 season, sounds like Adrian is re-engaging and re-focusing on RBR's F1 campaign again....

Newey: Red Bull 'committee' hasn't worked for 2017 F1 rule changes


"Adrian Newey believes the 'committee' structure Red Bull put in place to deal with his step back from frontline Formula 1 design duties struggled to handle the 2017 rule changes."
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Pastor Maldonado has revealed that he rejected the opportunity to return to the Formula 1 grid this season.

Maldonado, winner of the 2012 Spanish Grand Prix, did not return for the 2016 campaign after his sponsor PDVSA was unable to provide the necessary funds for him to keep his seat at Renault following their takeover of Lotus.

But the Venezuelan claims that he could have returned this season had he been more confident about the car he was set to drive.

“I had an offer to drive in F1 in 2017,” said Maldonado.

“However, I chose not to do it, because I had no guarantee that it would be a competitive car.

“If I do something, I do it right.”
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Red Bull Energy Station build for the Monaco GP

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Red Bull Energy Station build for the Monaco GP

http://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-videos/...mperia-monaco/
That is crazy impressive. What's Red Bull's F1 budget again?
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