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Old 03-31-2016, 06:21 AM
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Monaco is the only venue that doesn't pay to host the race so guess what? It ain't going anywhere. If you ever need information on how to spectate that race 00TL-P3.2 I'd be happy to help.
And I believe Monaco is the only race to get exclusive media rights as well. Rainier III knew how to call Bernie's bluff many times.
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yeah, a 46G hit will do that to a guy
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Didn't he miss the race last year?
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Originally Posted by Chief F1 Fan View Post
Monaco is the only venue that doesn't pay to host the race so guess what? It ain't going anywhere. If you ever need information on how to spectate that race 00TL-P3.2 I'd be happy to help.
I'll definitely take you up on that. Won't be this year, but hopefully in the next couple.

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Didn't he miss the race last year?
He missed Australia last year due to crashing in testing.
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I'll definitely take you up on that. Won't be this year, but hopefully in the next couple.



He missed Australia last year due to crashing in testing.
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Bahrain FP1

1. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:32.294
2. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes GP 1:32.799
3. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari 1:34.128
4. Daniel Ricciardo Autralian Red Bull-Tag Heuer 1:34.461
5. Daniil Kvyat Russia Red Bull-Tag Heuer 1:34.541
6. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:34.601
7. Carlos Sainz Spain Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.793
8. Max Verstappen Netherlands Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.860
9. Romain Grosjean France Haas-Ferrari 1:35.000
10. Felipe Massa Brazil Williams-Mercedes 1:35.006
11. Sebastian Vettel Germany Ferrari 1:35.073
12. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Mercedes 1:35.174
13. Esteban Gutierrez Mexico Haas-Ferrari 1:35.309
14. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Honda 1:35.440
15. Kevin Magnussen Denmark Renault 1:35.490
16. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Sauber-Ferrari 1:35.728
17. Pascal Wehrlein Germany MRT-Mercedes 1:36.371
18. Stoffel Vandoorne Belgium McLaren-Honda 1:36.392
19. Felipe Nasr Brazil Sauber-Ferrari 1:36.719
20. Jolyon Palmer Britain Renault 1:36.939
21. Alfonso Celis Jr Mexico Force India-Mercedes 1:37.287
22. Rio Haryanto Indonesia MRT-Mercedes 1:37.714
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Haas 9th
Marussia 17th

Not bad
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Fernando Alonso: How two-time world champion's career has gone downhill

Fernando Alonso: How two-time world champion's career has gone downhill - BBC Sport

Can't feel sorry for him as he's extremely well compensated but will stand the test of time as one of the WC's who shoulda/coulda/woulda had another 2-3 championships
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Fernando Alonso: How two-time world champion's career has gone downhill - BBC Sport

Can't feel sorry for him as he's extremely well compensated but will stand the test of time as one of the WC's who shoulda/coulda/woulda had another 2-3 championships
He's a decent enough driver, but not among the best.
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Bahrain FP2:

Rosberg still in control.

POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:31.001
2. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes GP 1:31.242
3. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Honda 1:32.281
4. Max Verstappen Netherlands Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:32.406
5. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari 1:32.452
6. Sebastian Vettel Germany Ferrari 1:32.650
7. Daniil Kvyat Russia Red Bull-Tag Heuer 1:32.703
8. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Mercedes 1:32.792
9. Daniel Ricciardo Autralian Red Bull-Tag Heuer 1:32.870
10. Felipe Massa Brazil Williams-Mercedes 1:32.873
11. Stoffel Vandoorne Belgium McLaren-Honda 1:32.999
12. Esteban Gutierrez Mexico Haas-Ferrari 1:33.129
13. Carlos Sainz Spain Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:33.177
14. Romain Grosjean France Haas-Ferrari 1:33.384
15. Sergio Perez Mexico Force India-Mercedes 1:33.406
16. Kevin Magnussen Denmark Renault 1:33.447
17. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:33.570
18. Jolyon Palmer Britain Renault 1:33.640
19. Pascal Wehrlein Germany MRT-Mercedes 1:33.953
20. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Sauber-Ferrari 1:34.224
21. Felipe Nasr Brazil Sauber-Ferrari 1:34.477
22. Rio Haryanto Indonesia MRT-Mercedes 1:34.562
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Mercedes miles ahead of everyone else.
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He's a decent enough driver, but not among the best.
IMO, he's currently among the best F1 driver's (Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton).

BBC F1 editors thought he's #10 of all time F1 drivers.

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Button in P3?
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don't get too excited, he's down in 17th P3.
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it only gets worst, McLaren F1 rookie Stoffel Vandoorne (taking Alonso's car) outqualified Button despite only getting the call on Thursday

And as last year's pre-season testing showed Mercedes was sandbagging this year. Good to see some more competition from Rosberg and Hamilton, even Kimi is showing better form with the new Ferrari, wonder if switching from pullrod to pushrod front suspension gave him and Vettel more front end grip and feel.

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could be Legend, also Kimi loves Bahrain so I'm sure that helps too. Wait till Ferrari employ their new clutches and blast past the MBZ's again.

I also read that under no circumstances, is F1 reverting back to 2015-style qualifying.

EDIT: here's the Autosport link on qualifying: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...lifying-change

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Qual format:

Even my 3 year old realizes how much it sucks.

Him: Why is there only one car driving?
Me: I don't know... Muppet Bernie thought this was better.
Him: Why are all the cars not driving?
Me: I don't know.
Him: I want to watch racecars.
Me: Me too
Him: Why are the cars all in the garage?
Me: Because... Uh... I got nothing...
Him: Can I watch YouTube?
Me: O_o , yeah.

But good for Haas, P9 is a perfect strategic position. And it'll be interesting to see what Vandoorne can do.

Oh, and the passing comment during qual about Alonso, "he suffered a 'minor punctured lung' and some 'slight fractured ribs' during his wreck".

oh, just minor injuries, then? Man, those guys are just on a different level!
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I also read that under no circumstances, is F1 reverting back to 2015-style qualifying.
Terrible.
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Pretty good race, bad luck for Vettel and Hamilton. Vandoorne was impressive for the fact that he had never driven the car before and scored points in his first F1 race. IIRC he was up into the ~6 position at one point. Haas has proven themselves as they were racing pretty well with RBR. Bottas's start was a bit of a overreach, he sheepishly admitted so in the post-race interview. Not a Rosberg fan but he has shown himself to be capable as he has won 5 in a row, the same number as his father won in his entire F1 career.
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Aggregate best 2 laps for qualifying? What moron thought this is a good idea? So we can have someone setting a new lap record but not be on pole??????????
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Aggregate best 2 laps for qualifying? What moron thought this is a good idea? So we can have someone setting a new lap record but not be on pole??????????
It's like they are actually trying to make it worse. The local promoters are bitching that people aren't spending $$$$ on Saturday to cover the hosting fee's they are paying. Seems to me they over paid what the market will bear and are now ruining the sport in a effort to cover their costs. Can't be good for Bernie & Co while they are attempting to sell the sport too.
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I just don't get it: the absolute best 5 minutes of the weekend was the last 5 minutes of Q3. I've been to nearly 35 F1 races and can tell you that's when people are on their feet, clapping, cheering and having a great time. The stands aren't as full as they are on Sunday (Montreal anyways) but pretty damn close and it's always been about the same type of turn-out. It's not Qualifying that needs fixing, it's the formula. People don't want to watch a race dictated by fuel consumption levels.
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I just don't get it: the absolute best 5 minutes of the weekend was the last 5 minutes of Q3. I've been to nearly 35 F1 races and can tell you that's when people are on their feet, clapping, cheering and having a great time. The stands aren't as full as they are on Sunday (Montreal anyways) but pretty damn close and it's always been about the same type of turn-out. It's not Qualifying that needs fixing, it's the formula. People don't want to watch a race dictated by fuel consumption levels.
, fuel consumption races are boring to watch whether Indy, LeMans, or F1.
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F1 and Indy 500 Champion Emerson Fittipaldi Reportedly Facing Bankruptcy

F1 and Indy 500 Champion Emerson Fittipaldi Reportedly Facing Bankruptcy

Great race driver but not so good at business

The reason Emmo left McLaren at the end of 1975 for Copersucar was they 4x his $250k McLaren salary making him the first ever $1M race driver in 1976

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I was wondering if this was coming... Mostly a murmur right now.

How Long Before Formula 1's Midfield Teams Attack Haas over Ferrari Link-up?
Guenther Steiner says any Formula 1 teams who criticise Haas F1’s new approach to racing had the opportunity to follow a similar business model, as the team braces for a potential backlash from independent outfits after massive initial success.
Haas has made a sensational start to the 2016 season, with Romain Grosjean coming sixth in Australia and then going one better yesterday in Bahrain, where he finished fifth.
The Frenchman was aided by the red flag in Melbourne, which was the result of Fernando Alonso’s huge crash with his teammate Esteban Gutierrez, but in context, Haas F1 has already scored more points than the other previous new teams (Manor, Caterham and HRT) managed in five years. And it will be worth tens of millions of dollars in years to come in prize money as Haas vaults the back markers.
Romain Grosjean

Haas F1’s business model is that it uses as much of Ferrari’s technical DNA as the sport’s regulations allow, which includes the power unit, suspension and transmission systems, while its chassis is built by Italian company Dallara.
This approach was made possible by F1’s so-called “Listed Parts” – the monocoque, survival cell, front-impact and roll-over structures, bodywork, wings, the floor and diffuser – being reduced to those eight elements.
Maurizio Arrivabene Guenther Steiner

Haas F1 makes the listed parts and buys in everything else from Ferrari.
This arrangement, as well as the advantage taken over a gap in the regulations (now closed) which allowed Ferrari to work on their behalf without constraint in the wind tunnel, has contributed to the American team’s instant success. And F1 being what it is, this has angered many of F1’s independent teams who produce their own equipment in-house and view Haas F1’s relationship with Ferrari as a threat to their existence.
Suddenly their model looks outdated and inefficient.
Grumblings have started, but this will no doubt develop into antipathy. But speaking after the race in Bahrain, Steiner, who is Haas F1’s team principal, explained that all teams had the same opportunity to partner with a manufacturer and should worry about their own problems before attacking his team.
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He said: “I don’t know what other people are thinking but I think in the first place, everybody has to look at themselves [about] why they are where they are before speaking [about] other people.
“The regulations are the same for everybody. We didn’t do anything different than anybody else can do so I feel completely at peace with ourselves. What we did, everybody knew.
“I think a lot of people didn’t expect it and they are now [saying] ‘wow, it really happened. And now sometimes you have to get over things, you know.”
Haas F1 is yet to sign a commercial agreement with Bernie Ecclestone, and there are some hoops to go through over the next two seasons before it can receive its share of the sport’s $890 million prize fund.
Romain Grosjean

The team’s current points haul means it could well finish ahead of teams like Manor, Sauber, Renault and even Force India at the end of the season. They will become entitled to a significant share of the prize pot, pending the deal it can strike with Ecclestone. The real money kicks in after two seasons of finishing in the Top Ten of the Constructor’s Championship. That will net them in excess of $60m.
With Haas’ model based on using F1 as a platform for selling his machine tools, the plan is for the F1 programme, which costs around $100m a season, to break even after a couple of years and any additional sponsorship and prize money after that is pure profit.
Steiner reckons that the situation for 2017 will become clearer as negotiations continue.
He said: “We have got 18 points now but I don’t know where that takes us. I always said we don’t want to be last, I don’t think we are going to end up last, that’s a good point. How much money we get we will see next year. We count that one when we get it.”
Fifth place unexpected
Romain Grosjean

Grosjean’s Bahrain result was boosted by the team’s decision to run the supersoft tyre as much as possible during the race, but Steiner reckons it would be too much to expect the new team to finish so high up at every Grand Prix.
He said: “We didn’t expect fifth. I always said we can end up in the points if we do a good job, that’s what we are working for. To end up fifth is pretty good.
“I think fifth is too ask to much for, but I think we now want to try to get points [at] every race, that is the objective. If we reach it or not I don’t know, but we know the car well enough [to know] what we can do and everybody has seen the pace over two races.
“I think it is possible to make the points and we always have only had one car at the finish. If you have two cars the chances are doubled, so yeah we want to try and get points every time. [But] to try and always be fifth is getting a little bit greedy and we don’t want to do that.”
XPB.cc Esteban Gutierrez

Two-car finish objective
Gutierrez is yet to finish a race after his return to F1 with Haas at the start of 2016. Steiner revealed that a suspected brake problem had forced the Mexican out of yesterday’s event and explained that getting both cars to the finish in the Chinese Grand Prix was its first priority.
He said: “[We’re] not so pleased about Esteban, [it’s] the second race in a row he doesn’t finish. We have to investigate what it is, we had a problem on the front left. We think it is something in the brake, [but] we don’t know exactly.
“Our aim should be to get two cars to the finish that will be [the target] for China.”

If Haas isn't breaking in the rules, Williams et al can deal with it.
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F1 and Indy 500 Champion Emerson Fittipaldi Reportedly Facing Bankruptcy

Great race driver but not so good at business

The reason Emmo left McLaren at the end of 1975 for Copersucar was they 4x his $250k McLaren salary making him the first ever $1M race driver in 1976
Wow. The whole Brazilian economy is going down the drain. Maybe he just got caught up with everything else in the country.
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I was wondering if this was coming... Mostly a murmur right now.

How Long Before Formula 1's Midfield Teams Attack Haas over Ferrari Link-up?


If Haas isn't breaking in the rules, Williams et al can deal with it.
The complaints are getting pretty loud it seems. Sauber might not last the season.
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Vettel's thoughts on the present idea of aggregate qualifying:

Once again, an entertaining Grand Prix has taken the (mainstream) media's attention away from the ongoing debacle that is qualifying.
Difficult to manage, but Saturday's session was even worse than Melbourne, with teams and drivers now accepting they are to be eliminated and adopting a 'so why bother' attitude to running.
Then came the news that the FIA has not only ruled out a return to the old 2015 format but is proposing a system whereby a driver's two best times would be taken and the aggregate would represent his final time, this to happen in all three phases of the session.
Exciting, huh?
Sebastian Vettel basically summed up the mood of the people when asked his thoughts.
"It's time to go to the circus," he Sky Sports F1. "It's a good idea if you want random things to happen, but F1 should be about racing. It's a s*** idea."
And so say all of us.
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I wonder what would happen if none of the drivers set a qualifying lap? If they all just sat in the garage on Saturday and watched the three sessions tick by without going on track. How would Sunday's grid be determined?

I mean, if MuppetCo and the FIA want a random grid lineup, then how about they just go all in and not worry about qual... Just let the drivers pull numbers out of a helmet out something.

I know all 11 teams would be hard pressed commit to *actually* boycotting qual, but it would be sort of epic to see them entirely dismiss qual as the farce it's turning into.
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the FIA would probably fine the crap out of the teams/drivers then line up the grid according to current points standing. Then again, when the Michelin teams all drove off the grid and in to their pits at USGP in 05, nothing happened except a whole lotta people were extremely pissed off, especially me since I had dumped $1,000 on suite seats for me and my Dad.
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Hmm, yeah. That's what I figured - the ever present wrist slapping in the form of a driver/team fine.

The Indy debacle is what I had in mind actually...

So maybe they all go out and do the warmup lap at 70-80% speed and then park it. So to the technical requirements (not that I know them) the teams *have* participated in qual, but didn't really contest it.

I mean, with a few random exceptions, the Sunday grid is usually pretty close to the driver/team standings anyway... So just lining up that way anyway isn't really that big of a change. Plus, not actually pushing for a time in qual would save some tires for race day.
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If Haas isn't breaking in the rules, Williams et al can deal with it.
Precisely. If the rules were the same for Marussia et. al when they joined the grid, tough for them.
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Wow. The whole Brazilian economy is going down the drain. Maybe he just got caught up with everything else in the country.
Could be, not sure what Emmo is into these days. Remember his 2nd Indy 500 win with him celebrating with orange juice from his orange farms. Easily the worst PR mess he ever created for himself to this day.

Fittipaldi, Piquet, and Senna all came from well to do Brazilian families.
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I was wondering if this was coming... Mostly a murmur right now.

How Long Before Formula 1's Midfield Teams Attack Haas over Ferrari Link-up?



If Haas isn't breaking in the rules, Williams et al can deal with it.
Interesting, I did not know that Haas was using Dallara.
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Could be, not sure what Emmo is into these days. Remember his 2nd Indy 500 win with him celebrating with orange juice from his orange farms. Easily the worst PR mess he ever created for himself to this day.

Fittipaldi, Piquet, and Senna all came from well to do Brazilian families.
The story did mention that he still had his orange farms. Or had them until his bankruptcy.

I thought his orange fortune was why Christian Fittipaldi's helmet was designed like this:


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sorry but always loathed Fittipaldi, arrogant bastard.
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How the 2015 prize cash is being divided

It pays, literally, to be an LST (Ferrari) as they get an additional $70M for that standing.

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sorry but always loathed Fittipaldi, arrogant bastard.
+1, feel the same way.

My wife's grandfather met him once at the Penske Reading Center in the 90's on a VIP tour and thought the same as well.
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