Formula One: 2016 Season News and Discussion Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-29-2016, 09:20 AM
  #641  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Ha! Nice. As much as we'd all love that, I seriously doubt that would ever happen.

But man that would be a dream for us Honda lovers bro...
Old 07-29-2016, 12:51 PM
  #642  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
Originally Posted by R J Poseidon 6
This is horrible news for the Scuderia. Is this a way to get Mr Brawn? Tough to get him out of retirement but ... we shall see!
IDK, but I doubt it. Brawn has said he's very happy in retirement. There's no upside to going back to Ferrari, he has plenty of money, and I guess his wife would be furious with him.
She was supposedly very happy to see him retire so he could spend more time at home.

Originally Posted by R J Poseidon 6
Oh yesssss!

As of today, full radio communications over the air, standing wet starts after a few laps behind the safety car & no HALO until 2018!!

+1,

Originally Posted by R J Poseidon 6
Oh and, there are rumors of Ross Brawn spottings in Germany.

We shall see if there is any validity to those rumors soon enough amigos...
Curious if they are MB guest this weekend, Brawn and his wife were in a tweet by Suzy Wolff and her husband Toto at earlier race this year.


Originally Posted by Mugen.Justice
Personally...as a McLaren Honda fan...I would like to see Brawn try his hand at turning THAT ship around.
+1, Would like to see someone besides Neil Oakley or Tim Ross in the TD role at McLaren

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/lo...lF7R3iLlqbm.97

Brawn was linked to McLaren in 2014, but his interest in fishing is quite important to him

Last edited by Legend2TL; 07-29-2016 at 12:55 PM.
Old 07-29-2016, 02:16 PM
  #643  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Geez .... I might have to try to fish again. Haven't tried it since childhood & even then I just used it as an excuse to hang by water.
Old 08-01-2016, 07:15 AM
  #644  
F-C
Senior Moderator
 
F-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,626
Received 1,065 Likes on 765 Posts
Rosberg is really sinking now. I really thought this would be his year. Maybe the break will do him some good.
Old 08-01-2016, 08:30 AM
  #645  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
Hamilton, Rosberg, Ferrari news. Excellent article in BBC

Lewis Hamilton is heading to his fourth F1 drivers' title after German GP win - BBC Sport
​The German Grand Prix was the last race before Formula 1 heads off for its four-week summer break, so it was fitting that it consolidated the two overriding trends that have emerged so far this year.

The first is that Lewis Hamilton is in control of this season regardless of the mechanical problems that afflicted him in the opening races - and which will have a knock-on effect as soon as the season re-starts at the end of August.

The second is that Ferrari have lost their way - again - and look close to implosion.

Hamilton looking unstoppable

Hockenheim was Hamilton's sixth win in seven races, a remarkable run that has seen a 62-point swing between himself and Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg, turning a 43-point deficit into a 19-point lead.

To anyone who has tracked the form of the competition between the two men since they became team-mates in 2013, the deficit Hamilton faced after two bad starts and then a succession of mechanical failures in the first four races looked eminently recoverable.

But Hamilton has admitted that he had his doubts. He said after winning in Germany on Sunday that back in early May he was "finding it hard to see a way through the trees".

But the last seven races have reconfirmed the inner belief he has always had that, all things being equal, he will beat Rosberg more often than not - and certainly often enough to beat him to a world championship over 20 races or so.

Rosberg on the ropes

Nico Rosberg
Time to reflect: What went wrong for Rosberg in his home grand prix?
Rosberg admitted after the race that he was facing a "tough moment". Mercedes F1 boss Toto Wolff said the German had had "a bad day", which seemed a fair way of summing it up.

Rosberg made a bad start - it happens - and lost three places, to Hamilton and Red Bull drivers Max Verstappen and Daniel Ricciardo. He then spent two stints behind the Red Bulls, without ever - after the first lap - getting close enough to try a move.

Listen: 'Rosberg has got a very bad start'
He said afterwards that was because he had lost grip in the 'dirty air' behind them.

Rosberg did eventually manage to get back to second place, thanks to a bold move on Verstappen in Turn Six right after their second pit stops. But the manoeuvre earned him a five-second penalty for forcing a rival off the track.

Rosberg said afterwards he "definitely didn't see that coming". But seeing as he got a penalty for pulling pretty much a carbon-copy move on Hamilton on the last lap of the Austrian Grand Prix last month - albeit in defence rather than attack - perhaps he should have.

Nico Rosberg and Max Verstappen
Rosberg was locked in a battle with the two Red Bulls for much of the race
That put him back down to fourth - the fact that it turned into an eight-second penalty when the stopwatch Mercedes were using to time the stop malfunctioned not really affecting his position - and, again, he failed to make any significant dent in the Red Bulls ahead. Other than the move on Verstappen, it was a strangely lacklustre performance.

There have been extenuating circumstances for Rosberg in the turnaround between the two Mercedes drivers.

He was forced wide by Hamilton at the first corner in Canada; he damaged his car and dropped to fourth in the collision in Austria; and he has been beaten away from the line after taking pole in the last two races in Hungary and Germany.

But the bottom line is that, fundamentally, Hamilton has out-driven him. As he tends to do more often than not at a ratio that is somewhere between two and three to one.

Even with a grid penalty for using too many engine parts facing Hamilton in one of the next two races, it is looking very much as though probably the best chance Rosberg will ever have to beat his team-mate to a world title has already slipped from his grasp.

Ferrari in meltdown

Ferrari
There was no podium finish for the two Ferraris at Hockenheim
Rosberg is not the only competitor seeing his hopes of winning the world title this year fading rapidly in front of their eyes.

Ferrari have had a desperate month of July, going from hopes of winning races to sinking behind Red Bull to third in the constructors' championship.

Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen were an anonymous fifth and sixth at Hockenheim, a race the team expected to mark an upturn in form because the characteristics of the track better suited their car than the last two races in Silverstone and Hungary.

After the race, Raikkonen put his finger on what was wrong: "We need more downforce to go faster and it will make a big difference to tyre life."

Vettel added that "we think we know what to do". But do they, really?

This was Ferrari's first race since they split with their technical director James Allison, a decision that mystified many in the paddock, where the 48-year-old Englishman is rated as probably the paddock's next most foremost aerodynamic design leader after Red Bull's genius Adrian Newey.

When Ferrari announced Allison's departure on Wednesday, it was assumed by some that it must be related to the tragic and unexpected sudden death of his wife in March. But if this was an issue, it was only a peripheral one.

In fact, it seems that the relationship between Allison and Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne and team principal Maurizio Arrivabene had broken down.

Marchionne has been busy reorganising the team. Sources close to Ferrari say Allison - a man who knows his mind - had disagreed with what was being done. There had been a couple of flash points over the past couple of months, and eventually it was agreed that their relationship could go no further.

James Allison and Maurizio Arrivabene
It appears Allison had fallen out with the Ferrari management
On one level, that's fair enough. Marchionne is the boss - and a formida
ble and highly effective global business leader. He makes the big calls. If one of his senior managers does not agree with them, there is only going to be one outcome.

But the bigger question is over the wisdom of parting company with a man of Allison's abilities, what happens next and whether Ferrari really understand what is wrong and how to fix it.

Even Ferrari's director of engineering, Jock Clear, who only started working for the team in January after a year's 'gardening leave' from Mercedes, admitted that "losing someone of James Allison's calibre is not going to go unnoticed… James was very, very strong. He will be missed but that's the challenge for us".

But the problems go wider and deeper than the wisdom or otherwise of parting company with one technical leader, however good he might be.

There are questions over the general philosophy by which the team is run, the effectiveness of the F1 design group, race strategy and recruitment.

On strategy, the German Grand Prix provided the latest in a series of pieces of evidence this year that Ferrari are in a bit of a muddle. After throwing away potential victories in Australia and Canada, TV viewers were treated at Hockenheim to Vettel questioning his engineers' decisions - just as he did in Baku last month.

Listen as Vettel questions his team's pit stop strategy
During Vettel's third stint, they radioed him to tell him to come into the pits. He said, no thanks, the tyres were good, he'd stay out for another couple of laps. They told him it was their only chance for an undercut. Vettel responded: "The others are miles ahead. Who am I going to undercut?" They said Verstappen. But he was eight seconds up the road, so there was no chance whatsoever of them passing him by stopping early. It was a mystifying conversation.

On car design, it has now been eight years since Ferrari produced the best car in F1 - back in 2008. Since then, all Ferraris have had an aerodynamic deficit to the best, and this one is no different.

Sources close to the team say the problem is that Ferrari lack creative design flair. This is something Marchionne has recognised and intends for his restructuring to address. But removing from a leadership post someone who embodies it seems an odd way of going about it.

Then there is recruitment. In late 2007, former Ferrari technical director Ross Brawn had talks with Ferrari about going back as team boss after a year's sabbatical.

They foundered on his desire for total control of the team, and demands for no interference from then-president Luca Di Montezemolo, which had been one of the secrets of their runaway success with Michael Schumacher. Di Montezemolo refused. Brawn walked away, joined Honda, which became Brawn, which became Mercedes, where he laid the foundations for the team's current dominance of F1.

Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel
Ferrari have not won a title since the 2008 constructors' world championship
In 2011, a few months after Ferrari had lost the title for their new driver Fernando Alonso with a catastrophic strategy call in the final race of the season, chief designer Aldo Costa was sacked. Di Montezemolo had demanded a head because the car was lagging behind Red Bull.

It later transpired that there was not much wrong with the car itself; the major difference was in Red Bull's mastery of using exhaust gases for aerodynamic effect, a technology Ferrari never mastered over the succeeding two and a half seasons it was permitted. By the time that was clear, it was too late. Costa joined Brawn at Mercedes.


In 2014, Ferrari had agreed a deal for Newey to join the team. He began to get cold feet when team principal Stefano Domenicali was forced into resigning following the team's poor start to the season. Shortly afterwards, other things happened that undermined Newey's faith that going to Ferrari was a good idea, and he decided to back away for good.

Domenicali's replacement Marco Mattiacci never gelled with Alonso, who was already having grave doubts about Ferrari's ability to ever produce a car in which he could win an elusive third title.

Alonso said he wanted to leave. Mattiacci did nothing to try to keep him; instead signing Vettel and effectively forcing the Spaniard out. The fact Alonso says he never wanted to stay is immaterial; now Ferrari had lost arguably the best driver in the world, the man who almost single-handedly had made them look respectable for the previous five years.

And now Allison has gone, too.

Vettel, it transpires, is not happy about that at all - and running the race strategy from the car is unlikely to increase his confidence either.

Up and down the paddock in Germany, many people were saying that they found it hard to see a way back for Ferrari from here. If there is one, it looks like being a long, hard road.

Last edited by Legend2TL; 08-01-2016 at 08:33 AM.
Old 08-01-2016, 09:49 AM
  #646  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
I suspect Allison will be picked up by McLaren, Williams, Renault, but I kinda doubt he'll go to a lesser team.

I'd forgotten that Newey was courted by Ferrari in 2014, and totally forgot Brawn was almost tempted in 2008.

In my previous posts I'd forgotten to mention the other key person in the Ferrari revival of the late 90's and early 00's.
Jean Todt, who was in top director at Ferrari F1 from 1994 to 2007 deserves alot of credit for not only recruiting Schumacher but also Rory Bryne and Ross Brawn,
The four of them really reinvented Ferrari F1 in that period. Todt was also a excellent buffer between Montezemolo and the F1 team people including all the F1 factory people.

Old 08-01-2016, 10:45 AM
  #647  
F-C
Senior Moderator
 
F-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,626
Received 1,065 Likes on 765 Posts
Ferrari management is a mess. Lack of stability is killing them.
Old 08-01-2016, 12:55 PM
  #648  
Moderator
Regional Coordinator (Southeast)
 
CCColtsicehockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Mooresville, NC
Age: 37
Posts: 43,467
Received 3,656 Likes on 2,490 Posts
It seems the only way back anytime soon for Ferrari might be to give in to Brawn's previous demands and let him have total control.
Old 08-01-2016, 02:23 PM
  #649  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Originally Posted by F-C
Rosberg is really sinking now. I really thought this would be his year. Maybe the break will do him some good.
Mind-reader!
Old 08-01-2016, 03:11 PM
  #650  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
MotorSport pics

Formula 1 Photos - View all Formula 1 Photography

I had forgotten how good MotorSPort.com's photo's are.
Some from Germany were excellent especially the wet images.
The following 2 users liked this post by Legend2TL:
F-C (08-01-2016), R J Poseidon 6 (08-01-2016)
Old 08-01-2016, 05:42 PM
  #651  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
Originally Posted by F-C
Rosberg is really sinking now. I really thought this would be his year. Maybe the break will do him some good.
Hopfully, also thought the same but Hamilton has really come on strong mid-season.
Also thought this was Nico's year as well, but still 9 races and 225 potential max points available.

Interesting how tight the Red Bull and Ferrari drivers are in points
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_F...ship_standings
Old 08-02-2016, 02:34 PM
  #652  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Ricciardo kicks arse but I see Max (future world champion) passing him in the points by the end of the year.....
Old 08-02-2016, 04:01 PM
  #653  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
Looks like RaceCarEngineering updated some of the F1 cars technical info and pics from my earlier posting.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/formulaone/

MB Mercedes W07 Hybrid - Racecar Engineering

Some truely amazing technology porn here of the utter genius MB W07







Last edited by Legend2TL; 08-02-2016 at 04:04 PM.
The following 2 users liked this post by Legend2TL:
00TL-P3.2 (08-03-2016), R J Poseidon 6 (08-03-2016)
Old 08-02-2016, 07:44 PM
  #654  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
Williams: We 'need a driver like Button'

Williams: We 'need a driver like Button'
Old 08-02-2016, 08:45 PM
  #655  
F-C
Senior Moderator
 
F-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,626
Received 1,065 Likes on 765 Posts
Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Looks like RaceCarEngineering updated some of the F1 cars technical info and pics from my earlier posting.

Formula One - Racecar Engineering

MB Mercedes W07 Hybrid - Racecar Engineering

Some truely amazing technology porn here of the utter genius MB W07



Old 08-03-2016, 04:24 AM
  #656  
8th Gear
 
phillip123hastings's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Age: 38
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Man, this is one of the most boring seasons in the last few years. The most interesting part this season is trying to guess when will Hamilton and Rosberg start fighting each other for real
Old 08-03-2016, 07:32 AM
  #657  
Senior Moderator
 
Chief F1 Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Western New York
Age: 64
Posts: 24,861
Received 6,871 Likes on 3,486 Posts
It's always been this way, Lotus, McLaren/Honda, Williams/Honda, Ferrari, RBR, MBZ and on.
Old 08-03-2016, 10:01 AM
  #658  
Moderator
 
00TL-P3.2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Spring, TX
Age: 38
Posts: 25,674
Received 5,293 Likes on 3,627 Posts
Originally Posted by phillip123hastings
Man, this is one of the most boring seasons in the last few years. The most interesting part this season is trying to guess when will Hamilton and Rosberg start fighting each other for real
I think the more exciting part is the midfield. A lot closer than in the last couple seasons. And only 1 team with no WCC points. An improvement for sure.
Old 08-03-2016, 11:02 AM
  #659  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
And yes boys, there are air filters in F1 cars. Guess they need these engines to last a few races eh?

Ferrari motor and intake paper element air filter which looks similar to what production roads cars use.

But the Ferrari ignition system is very high tech (below quote).



Early in 2016 it was revealed that Ferrari made a significant performance step in mid 2015 by introducing a new combustion technology based on Mahle’s patented Turbulent Jet Ignition.

More than five years of development preceded that crucial phone call to Maranello with the proposal: “We’ve found an interesting new solution for you.” A Mahle press release explains. “Within a few weeks, in spring 2015, we adapted our solution to the Formula 1 requirements, allowing Ferrari to compete in Canada with this solution for the first time,” recollects Fred Türk. Vice President MAHLE Motorsport.

Turbulent Jet Ignition (TJI) utilises a spark-initiated pre-chamber combustion process in an otherwise conventional gasoline engine to achieve fuel economy improvements of up 20%. Existing jet ignition systems involve the creation of hot gas jets from a pre-chamber which are then introduced into the cylinder where they rapidly induce ignition of the main in-cylinder charge. MAHLE’s TJI system is characterised by auxiliary pre-chamber fuelling, small orifices connecting the main and pre-chamber combustion cavities and a very small pre-chamber volume. The smaller orifice size causes turbulence in the hot gas jets which then penetrate deeper into the main combustion chamber and cause a distributed ignition effect. This process then allows extension of knock limits and increased compression ratios (up to 14:1) combined with lower combustion temperatures and reduced throttling / pumping losses to achieve thermal efficiencies in the region of 45%.

MAHLE’s TJI unit replaces the conventional spark plug and can utilise the original PFI or DI fuel system in both naturally aspirated and turbocharged engines. The conventional engine control system can be retained and the system can be operated on readily available, commercial fuels. Strong synergies exist when coupling turbulent jet ignition with engine downsizing at both high and low engine loads through the use of modern variable valvetrain systems.

“The potential is there for this to transfer to mass production vehicles. With this technology, the petrol engine can reach efficiency levels that are usually only achievable with diesel engines,” explains Türk.

Carbon fiber gearbox housing




Last edited by Legend2TL; 08-03-2016 at 11:11 AM.
The following 4 users liked this post by Legend2TL:
00TL-P3.2 (08-03-2016), Chief F1 Fan (08-04-2016), F-C (08-03-2016), R J Poseidon 6 (08-03-2016)
Old 08-04-2016, 05:31 AM
  #660  
Senior Moderator
 
Chief F1 Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Western New York
Age: 64
Posts: 24,861
Received 6,871 Likes on 3,486 Posts


2017 tires!


The following users liked this post:
Legend2TL (08-04-2016)
Old 08-04-2016, 06:56 AM
  #661  
F-C
Senior Moderator
 
F-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,626
Received 1,065 Likes on 765 Posts
Welcome back fat tires!!!! This is great.
Old 08-04-2016, 07:42 AM
  #662  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
^ wow, it's like the 70's and 80's all over again with those wide F1 slicks.

When is disco and new wave music coming back?
Old 08-04-2016, 02:36 PM
  #663  
Moderator
Regional Coordinator (Southeast)
 
CCColtsicehockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Mooresville, NC
Age: 37
Posts: 43,467
Received 3,656 Likes on 2,490 Posts
And how about no fuel limits while we are at it
Old 08-05-2016, 04:35 PM
  #664  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
And how about no fuel limits while we are at it
Yes. THAT.

That is the key right there....
Old 08-05-2016, 06:13 PM
  #665  
Senior Moderator
 
Chief F1 Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Western New York
Age: 64
Posts: 24,861
Received 6,871 Likes on 3,486 Posts
Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
And how about no fuel limits while we are at it
the FIA came up with a fuel saving formula relegating them to using hybrid power plants we are all aware of. What is the sense of having unlimited fuel usage then? Honda, Renault, TAG/Heuer, MBZ are finally getting on top of this configuration 3 seasons in, let it ride. The lap times are dropping, that's what counts.
Old 08-08-2016, 10:35 AM
  #666  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
Kimi Raikkonen marries model Minttu Virtanen in Tuscany ceremony


Old 08-08-2016, 12:27 PM
  #667  
F-C
Senior Moderator
 
F-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,626
Received 1,065 Likes on 765 Posts
Getting married will change the ice man.
Old 08-08-2016, 12:30 PM
  #668  
Senior Moderator
 
Chief F1 Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Western New York
Age: 64
Posts: 24,861
Received 6,871 Likes on 3,486 Posts


It's his second go-round on the marriage train F-C, maybe not so much.
Old 08-09-2016, 10:44 AM
  #669  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
Big Formula One Bet Vaults a Buyout Firm to the Top

Big Formula One Bet Vaults a Buyout Firm to the Top - Bloomberg


It was considered one of the riskiest private equity investments ever.
CVC Capital Partners, a then-mid-sized London-based firm, paid a steep $2 billion in 2006 to buy Formula One, the world’s dominant auto racing circuit. The timing wasn’t great. A number of racing teams were threatening to bolt in a pay dispute. The deal’s success also hinged on F1 founder Bernie Ecclestone, the famously domineering boss who would later sidestep bribery charges.
Yet a decade later, Formula One has turned into a spectacularly profitable deal for CVC, catapulting the former Citigroup Inc. unit into a top global buyout firm. CVC has made about $4.5 billion on its initial $1 billion stake, a 450 percent return that’s twice the average for private equity. Much of that came when CVC loaded Formula One with debt to pay itself dividends -- too much so in the eyes of critics.

Now the firm is looking to exit the investment, possibly in a matter of weeks. After an aborted initial public offering in 2012, it’s actively shopping the firm and has retained Goldman Sachs Group Inc. to solicit buyers. The price tag could be as high as $10 billion.
CVC, with a 35 percent stake, could walk away with a total return of eight times its original investment.
Likely Suitors
The most likely suitors are media companies hunting for programming content, rather than another buyout firm. Rupert Murdoch’s Sky Plc, the Qatar Investment Authority and RSE Ventures, chaired by Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross, are interested in investing, said people familiar with the matter, who asked not to be identified as the process is private.
“CVC took an opportunity that seemingly by virtue of circumstance and good stewardship is set to produce returns far higher than most deals of its size and vintage,” said Oliver Gottschalg, a professor at French business school HEC Paris.
Old 08-09-2016, 11:08 AM
  #670  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Originally Posted by Chief F1 Fan
the FIA came up with a fuel saving formula relegating them to using hybrid power plants we are all aware of. What is the sense of having unlimited fuel usage then? Honda, Renault, TAG/Heuer, MBZ are finally getting on top of this configuration 3 seasons in, let it ride. The lap times are dropping, that's what counts.
Yes, yes. I get it. But having said that, without fuel restrictions we'd see even faster times! Yes it's green (which I am very) but, this is Formula1!! It's the pinnacle of all motorsports with the fastest racing machines on the planet - let them go!

Remember when these puppies revved to 22k and limited?! Just ear bleeding sick, sick stuff. I'm not pooping on my favorite sport by any means - but we could all use more cowbell! I believe they are limited not to 15k, down from 18k rpm. But I believe they're not going much past 12k due to the fuel restrictions....

I get the greenness but, I just am a firm believer that this Formula (1) should not have a fuel limit. Obviously many more people don't agree with me hence the limit in place.
Old 08-09-2016, 11:28 AM
  #671  
Moderator
 
00TL-P3.2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Spring, TX
Age: 38
Posts: 25,674
Received 5,293 Likes on 3,627 Posts
Originally Posted by R J Poseidon 6
Yes, yes. I get it. But having said that, without fuel restrictions we'd see even faster times! Yes it's green (which I am very) but, this is Formula1!! It's the pinnacle of all motorsports with the fastest racing machines on the planet - let them go!

Remember when these puppies revved to 22k and limited?! Just ear bleeding sick, sick stuff. I'm not pooping on my favorite sport by any means - but we could all use more cowbell! I believe they are limited not to 15k, down from 18k rpm. But I believe they're not going much past 12k due to the fuel restrictions....

I get the greenness but, I just am a firm believer that this Formula (1) should not have a fuel limit. Obviously many more people don't agree with me hence the limit in place.
So maybe keep the max fuel allowed & open up the flow restriction?
Old 08-09-2016, 11:40 AM
  #672  
AZ Community Team
 
Legend2TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,785
Received 4,021 Likes on 2,499 Posts
2017 regulations and car changes

The following 3 users liked this post by Legend2TL:
00TL-P3.2 (08-09-2016), Chief F1 Fan (08-10-2016), West6MT (08-09-2016)
Old 08-09-2016, 03:46 PM
  #673  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Love the 2017 look!!

Here's a little article i posted a little while back about the earlier subject:

Old 08-09-2016, 05:17 PM
  #674  
F-C
Senior Moderator
 
F-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,626
Received 1,065 Likes on 765 Posts
Have to agree with that article. Ban radios, and allow everything else. Keep it simple.
Old 08-09-2016, 05:28 PM
  #675  
Senior Moderator
 
West6MT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto
Age: 41
Posts: 9,219
Received 165 Likes on 127 Posts
Nice video explaining the changes.
Old 08-10-2016, 01:46 PM
  #676  
Moderator
Regional Coordinator (Southeast)
 
CCColtsicehockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Mooresville, NC
Age: 37
Posts: 43,467
Received 3,656 Likes on 2,490 Posts
Haryanto out Ocon in for the rest of the year at Manor

Ocon replaces Haryanto at Manor | GRAND PRIX 247
Old 08-10-2016, 02:28 PM
  #677  
Moderator
 
00TL-P3.2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Spring, TX
Age: 38
Posts: 25,674
Received 5,293 Likes on 3,627 Posts
Shame it wasn't Rossi, but I read he turned it down for 2016, but hasn't ruled out 2017.
Old 08-10-2016, 04:51 PM
  #678  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Yea! Personally I think it's nuts to turn down an F1 seat. Especially for Indy!?
Old 08-11-2016, 08:23 AM
  #679  
F-C
Senior Moderator
 
F-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,626
Received 1,065 Likes on 765 Posts
Originally Posted by R J Poseidon 6
Yea! Personally I think it's nuts to turn down an F1 seat. Especially for Indy!?
I think he made the right call. Going to Manor right now would simply be a repeat of what he did last year as a fill-in. Unless there is a guarantee for a full ride next year at Manor right now, it's best to negotiate an offer on the side.
Old 08-11-2016, 09:48 AM
  #680  
~HondaF1~
 
R J Poseidon 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central Florida, USA
Posts: 1,470
Received 107 Likes on 86 Posts
Good point F-C. Let's hope it works out in his favor...


Quick Reply: Formula One: 2016 Season News and Discussion Thread



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:33 AM.