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Old 05-15-2016, 12:04 PM
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Good link to analysis

More Rosberg 's fault it seems
Futzing with wheel controls and then reacted too late to Hamilton's inside move is mostly what caused that chain of events imo

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he was on the wrong Strat setting but yeah, I agree. I never knew their tail light blinked when they were harvesting power (in the dry)
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If you want to see a great analysis of what may have gone wrong, watch this:




http://photos.imageevent.com/scottpr...in%20start.mp4
That was full on Nicos fault.

Not so upset i didnt get my pic in on time as it would have been one of them anyway.
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I don't know about fully Nico's fault but a healthy portion of it definitely was. OTOH, there was no way Hamilton was going to get through there and make the Repsol turn at that rate of speed. Hamilton was fully committed as was Nico at that point and the crash looked inevitable. I'd say more 50/50
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Hamilton added: “First of all, a huge apology to all of our team - when I stopped my heart just sank. To not deliver for them, it’s honestly… indescribable how gutted I was.

“I got a good start but he [Rosberg] slipstreamed me into Turn 1. Then through Turn 3 he had a d-rate - basically he made a mistake and started in the wrong engine setting. We only have one setting for maximum power and he wasn’t in it, which meant he was like 180bhp down.

“I’m not getting into blame, just a huge apology to the team. I’ll do everything I can to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Don’t have a good feeling this second, but we will recover.”

Hamilton’s retirement means he drops to third in the drivers’ championship, four points behind Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen and 43 behind leader Rosberg.


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The incident concerned started when Car 6 dropped into an incorrect power mode, as set by the driver prior to the start. This created a significant power differential between Car 6 and Car 44 at the exit of Turn 3 coming onto the straight, resulting in as much as a 17kph speed difference between the two cars on the straight. Car 6 moved to the right to defend his position, as is his right under Art 27.7 of the Sporting regulations. Simultaneously Car 44 as the significantly faster car with, at that time, apparent space on the inside, moved to make the pass. Art 27.7 requires the leading driver to leave room, if there is a "significant portion" of the car attempting to pass alongside. Car 44 had a portion of his front wing inside Car 6 small fractions of a second prior to Car 44 having to leave the right side of the track to avoid an initial collision, which may have led him to believe he had the right to space on the right. Once on the grass on the side of the track Car 44 was no longer in control of the situation.

Having heard extensively from both drivers and from the team, the Stewards determined that Car 6 had the right to make the maneuver that he did and that Car 44’s attempt to overtake was reasonable, and that the convergence of events led neither driver to be wholly or predominantly at fault, and therefore take no further action.
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I'm going to say it's 60/40 Hamilton's fault. Also, his reaction right after the accident when he covers his face in his hands is almost like he knew he over did it.

Biggest of the race must be Ricciardo and Vettel's strategists. Obviously if they didn't go for that extra stop, they might have been the winner. But that's why you have two cars and try two different strategies. But they obviously got the short end of the stick this time.

Finally, I must admit I was wrong about Verstappen. I thought he wouldn't but it, but wow, great effort all week.
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After watching that video and listening to Wold, Lauda, even Prost. It was joint responsibility for the accident, or as Prost said with a shrug "a racing incident".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1...again-and-how/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1...osbergs-rathe/

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Biggest of the race must be Ricciardo and Vettel's strategists. Obviously if they didn't go for that extra stop, they might have been the winner. But that's why you have two cars and try two different strategies. But they obviously got the short end of the stick this time.
Well, you'd think the track that gets tested on the most would render the teams with a wealth of tire deg knowledge right? I agree F-C, they brought Ricciardo in first obviously planning a 3 stopper; Vettel had to cover. Their destiny was set then and there. Personally I thought that was one helluva race, right to the end. Usually Spain is just a high speed procession but having 3 tires to choose from gives the teams all kinds of choices. It's too bad the teams have to start on the tire they qualify on. In the old days there was no such rule.
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Finally, I must admit I was wrong about Verstappen. I thought he wouldn't but it, but wow, great effort all week.


That was pretty much my reaction as he drove across the line. All I could muster was "wow". I realize that both Mercs being out of the game may have factored into it, but still. That was something special.

Plus, it's hard to ignore that he'd been in that cockpit for what, maybe 10 hours total?

I'm excited to see what he can do in the coming races.
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I temper my enthusiasm for him by recalling his optimistic pass attempt on Grosjean in Monaco last year at Ste. Devote (had a bird's eye view for that one!)
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I temper my enthusiasm for him by recalling his optimistic pass attempt on Grosjean in Monaco last year at Ste. Devote (had a bird's eye view for that one!)
I agree. Not being a party pooper since he did great all week. But everything kind of fell into place for him. Merc took each other out. Ricciardo and Vettel both chose the wrong strategy. The RB chassis was obviously very suited for the Barcelona track.

Let's see how he reacts when things go wrong. Any more tantrums and yelling at the team? We shall see.
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A little late but WOOOOOW! Go Max!!! So stoked. I've been watching him since karting & he's a future (dare i say multiple) world champion for sure. What a performance.

As far as the 'incident', I think that he had the pace to win the race anyways so just chillax a little - you'll get him in the end! But he went for it right away and as Chief F1 fan said - there's a very good chance that he wouldn't have made that turn at that speed. Needless to say the commentators & my friends over disagreed with me. I also called the fact that no further action was warranted. The fact is Lewis should've let off & waited a little (like a turn or two more).

At the end of the day it was a fantastic outcome for Formula1 with a historic result & WE all win due to the fact that it's great for the championship for the 2 leading cars to go out & tighten the championship just a little bit.

What a race!!
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very true Poseidon.
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Hamilton falls on his sword

Hamilton took the blame for Rosberg crash > F1 News > Grandprix.com

The only reason JV thinks it was Nico's fault is because unlike his move over on Schumacher in Austria putting MS out of the race worked in JV's favor.
dickhead.
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Every time I see a quote from JV, I skip to the next paragraph.
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Merc 'will consider' Alonso if Rosberg leaves - PlanetF1 : PlanetF1

2 things:

1) There's no way in hell that Rosberg would not resign w/Merc since they have the most dominant car on the grid.

2) Consider?? Really?! He's (arguably) one of the best drivers on the grid along w/Vettel, & Hamilton & (IMO) is better then they are.

So, silly season is in effect. Also, Alo is under contract (which we all know means nothing in F1 hence ButtonGate) until the end of '17 w/Honda
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Button collected points and Alonso was doing well before the car shutoff. Things are definitely looking up for McLaren-Honda.
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Agreed.

If only there wasn't a fuel limit.....
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Heineken to be an official sponsor and also wants to link up with a team. I want to see a Heineken themed car. The grid needs more color.

Heineken set to enter Formula 1 as sponsor - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
And the plot thickens....

Ecclestone: "Heineken upset over leaked F1 deal" - F1Today.net - Formula 1 news
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Full testing results for the first in-season test of the 2016 Formula 1 World Championship (F1), after the Spanish Grand Prix at Circuit de Catalunya [Wednesday 3pm].

1. Max Verstappen HOL Red Bull-Renault 1m 23.267s
2. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 24.006s
3. Daniil Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m 24.737s
5. Pascal Wehrlein GER Mercedes-Mercedes 1m 25.068s
4. Kevin Magnussen DEN Renault-Renault 1m 25.133s
6. Esteban Gutierrez MEX Haas-Ferrari 1m 25.167s
7. Antonio Fuoco ITA Ferrari-Ferrari 1m 26.403s
8. Alfonso Celis Jr MEX Force India-Mercedes 1m 26.855s
9. Felipe Massa BRA Williams-Mercedes 1m 27.167s
10. Jordan King GBR Manor-Mercedes 1m 27.615s

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I just realized that "TAG" engines have won 26 world championship races. That is double the amount of wins that Alfa Romeo has.
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^^^^^

That was the TAG-Porsche turbo-V6.

The current TAG-Renault is a new venture.
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yeah, definitely not TAG's first rodeo
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^^^^^

That was the TAG-Porsche turbo-V6.

The current TAG-Renault is a new venture.
Yeah, but both were TAG branded. Don't know how much TAG Heuer paid Red Bull this year, but they probably got it all back on Sunday.
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The only thing TAG designed is their logo on the MP4/2 engine (TTE PO1) valve cover.
Funded by TAG but designed, developed and produced by Porsche.
Engine designer Hans Mezger incorporated the "Made by Porsche" logo on the intake plenums.

TAG funded the effort in association with their relationship with McLaren, TAG founder's son Mansour Ojjeh was a major stakeholder in McLaren.

One of the best F1 motors ever.



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Look at that engine! It's a work of art...
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Oh, I forgot. TAG engines have more Formula One wins than Alfa Romeo and Porsche combined!

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The drivers competing to become Formula 1's next global stars

The drivers competing to become Formula 1's next global stars - BBC Sport

I like Ricciardo, Verstappen , and Vandoorne

Hard to believe Vettel is 30 now
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This isnt F1, but no need to start a new thread for it,...

x1000 at this crash from F3!!!


"FIA Statement.A serious incident has occurred during Race 1 of Round 4 of the FIA Formula 3 European Championship, involving car number 18 Zhi Cong Li (CHN), number 3 Ryan Tveter (USA) and number 5 Pedro Piquet (BRA).Following on-track evaluation, Zhi Cong Li and Ryan Tveter were transferred to the circuit’s medical centre. One driver was initially unconscious, but both drivers were conscious on arrival at the medical centre.Zhi Cong Li has subsequently been taken to hospital via helicopter due to possible head and back injuries.Ryan Tveter was taken to hospital by ambulance for further examination."

Broken vertebrae for one of the drivers apparently. Geebus

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Not sure if anyone has posted this (don't think so)

F1 Mclaren Onboard 1975 - 2016



The sounds of some of those cars
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x1000 at this crash from F3!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nYyvYNvdq0

"FIA Statement.A serious incident has occurred during Race 1 of Round 4 of the FIA Formula 3 European Championship, involving car number 18 Zhi Cong Li (CHN), number 3 Ryan Tveter (USA) and number 5 Pedro Piquet (BRA).Following on-track evaluation, Zhi Cong Li and Ryan Tveter were transferred to the circuit’s medical centre. One driver was initially unconscious, but both drivers were conscious on arrival at the medical centre.Zhi Cong Li has subsequently been taken to hospital via helicopter due to possible head and back injuries.Ryan Tveter was taken to hospital by ambulance for further examination."

Broken vertebrae for one of the drivers apparently. Geebus
Amazing that they are alive.
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Wow that is insane. Indeed amazing they are alive.
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That would be a big blow to his chances of winning the championship considering he is already pretty far back from Rosberg.
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Wondering if his partying lifestyle has gotten him in some sort of legal trouble. The article seems pretty vague about what might have happened.
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I would dismiss this BS as just that, BS. Above all, MBZ wants to win the Constructor's Championship. Having a rookie in their car at the most prestigious event of the year in front of every big name poobah sponsor of the team would be catastrophic to the team's ability to 1) magnify their chances of getting maximum points, and, 2). increase sponsorship levels. There is no god damn way they're going to put Pascal in Lewis' seat to punish the latter.
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I would dismiss this BS as just that, BS. Above all, MBZ wants to win the Constructor's Championship. Having a rookie in their car at the most prestigious event of the year in front of every big name poobah sponsor of the team would be catastrophic to the team's ability to 1) magnify their chances of getting maximum points, and, 2). increase sponsorship levels. There is no god damn way they're going to put Pascal in Lewis' seat to punish the latter.
Except that the Mercedes is so dominant, even a rookie could probably win the championship.

Let the wild speculation begin.

Violating team rules
Broken hand by punching someone
Lawsuits
Arrest for something


My guess if this is true is that he suffered some kind of injury. Otherwise why avoid the test?

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he avoided the test because he's a dick that's why
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lololol

I would like to see Rosberg win the championship this year. I think it would be great for Formula1 in general to have a different winner (albeit in the same dominant chassis but hey!).
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