00TL-P3.2

Hoping maybe they aren't weren't pushing them & they'll sound a bit better in qualifying & race day.
Definitely miss the screaming sounds of the past already. One of the commercial breaks came back with shots from last season & threw me off until I saw 2013 in the corner.

F-C

Oz P1:

POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:31.840
2. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.357
3. Vateri Bottas Finland Williams-Mercedes 1:32.403
4. Felipe Massa Brazil Williams-Mercedes 1:32.431
5. Daniel Ricciardo Autralian Red Bull-Renault 1:32.599
6. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:32.604
7. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:32.793
8. Kevin Magnussen Denmark McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.847
9. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari 1:32.977
10. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Renault 1:33.446
11. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:32.523
12. Sergio Perez Mexico Force India-Mercedes 1:33.855
13. Daniil Kvyat Russia Toro Rosso-Renault 1:34.272
14. Esteban Gutierrez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:35.578
15. Adrian Sutil Germany Sauber-Ferrari 1:36.445
16. Jules Bianchi France Marussia-Ferrari 1:40.859
17. Max Chilton Britain Marussia-Ferrari 1:43.922
18. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Caterham-Renault No Time
19. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes GP No Time
20. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Caterham-Renault No Time
21. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Lotus-Renault No Time
22. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault No Time

F-C

Oz P2:

POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain Mercedes GP 1:29.625
2. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:29.782
3. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:30.132
4. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:30.381
5. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:30.510
6. Daniel Ricciardo Autralian Red Bull-Renault 1:30.538
7. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Ferrari 1:30.898
8. Valteri Bottas Finland Williams-Mercedes 1:30.920
9. Kevin Magnussen Denmark McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.031
10. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:31.054
11. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Renault 1:31.060
12. Felipe Massa Brazil Williams-Mercedes 1:31.119
13. Sergio Perez Mexico Force India-Mercedes 1:31.283
14. Adrian Sutil Germany Sauber-Ferrari 1:32.355
15. Esteban Gutierrez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:32.468
16. Daniil Kvyat Russia Toro Rosso-Renault 1:32.495
17. Jules Bianchi France Marussia-Ferrari 1:33.486
18. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:33.646
19. Max Chilton Britain Marussia-Ferrari 1:34.757
20. Marcus Ericsson Sweden Caterham-Renault No Time
21. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Caterham-Renault No Time
22. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Lotus-Renault No Time

fsttyms1

Man i hate the sound of these new engines. I may have to watch the races with closed captioning on so i can mute the tv

F-C

Curiously, if you look at the practice times, it's the same usual suspects on top of the times. Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull. No major failures to report. Granted, it is still early, but 2014 seems alot like 2013 so far.

Ken1997TL

For those of you with a PC/Mac..

Steam has F1 2013 for $16 bucks for the next couple of days, includes several add-ons. I bought it, love it and I'm buying a wheel so I can play properly. It's really well done!

Legend2TL

Top4 teams for 2014 will be MB, Ferrari, RB, McLaren

Chief F1 Fan

My Logitech G27 just came today-getting ready to calibrate that bitch up and start driving some tracks!

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

considering the lack of development work red bull was able to get in over the winter break I'm surprised by there spot on the practice time sheets. Last years Pole lap was a 1:27.407 for perspective.

StreetKA

iTrader: (8)

i got 8 on 8

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...at-engine.html

Mugen.Justice

Wow, some pretty interesting qualifying results.

Magnussen, Bottas, Kvyat - in the top 10.

Button, Raikkonen, Vettel - 11, 12, 13.




Things are quite wet out there.

Mugen.Justice

Lol @ Lotus...out-qualified by both Caterhams and both Marussias!

Chief F1 Fan

not really a surprise considering Lotus did the least amount of laps in testing of any team

Total 2014 test distance - by team (power unit, where different):
1. Mercedes, 4972.644 km
2. Williams (Mercedes), 4893.432 km
3. Ferrari, 4488.516 km
4. McLaren (Mercedes), 4153.464 km
5. Sauber (Ferrari), 4039.32 km
6. Force India (Mercedes), 3974.868 km
7. Caterham (Renault), 3313.128 km
8. Toro Rosso (Renault), 2436.384 km
9. Red Bull (Renault), 1705.764 km
10. Marussia (Ferrari), 1686.084 km
11. Lotus (Renault), 1288.056 km (Lotus missed opening Jerez test)


I couldn't be happier that Maldonado, who after shitting all over Williams jumped to Lotus where he now is DEAD LAST IN AUSTRALIA dick.

Aman

This is going to be a fantastic race. I don't predict Vettel moving up much, since he seems to have trouble with traffic. Really curious to see how the new guys do.

Mugen.Justice

-Too bad for Kobayashi. And Massa.


-Vettel AND Hamilton out? I'll take it.


-Great finish for McLaren. Nice podiums for Kevin and Jenson (sucks for Riccardo, though..). I think Kevin will be good for Jenson - he'll push him consistently every race.

StreetKA

iTrader: (8)

Kobayashi had technical failure, his rear brakes didn't work at the turn one

Mugen.Justice

Gotcha. I must've missed that bit.

Legend2TL

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/26601418

fuel flow issue

Impressive start for both Riccardo and Magnussen, shame about the disqualification. I think RB will be in good shape this year if they can work out their reliability.

Good to see Dennis in the McLaren pit.

Also good to see Williams running well.

Aman

This race has turned me into a Ricciardo fan. It was cool to see a podium full of "number 2" drivers. Sucks what happened to RB afterwards, though. Ruined what would've otherwise been something of a fairy tale.

From my understanding it's gone something like this:

RB: Your fuel sensors are crap.
FIA: Here, try this one.
RB: This one's even worse.
FIA: All right, put in the old one and we'll add an offset to get an accurate reading.
RB: That's stupid. We're using our own.
*Race Start*
FIA: That's illegal. Do what we tell you.
RB: No.
*Race End*
FIA: Okay. You're disqualified.

Here's the full decision in tech-speak:
http://www.f1technical.net/news/1921...f0bb60ebf891aa

I doubt RB will get what they want from the appeal. Problematic or not, rules are rules and they were broken.

Chief F1 Fan

Ohhh damn. I'm no RBR fan but to see an Aussie get 2nd in his home GP for the first time ever was really cool to see. I'm sure Magnussen gets no satisfaction from being promoted in this manner.

speedemon90

Yea that really sucks. Feel bad for Daniel especially since he was "tripping balls" up there on stage haha.

Magnussen is going to have a pretty good career ahead of him.

Hamilton already starting off with bad luck

StreetKA

iTrader: (8)

well it was funny when they interview Button after the race, he wasnt too happy about being beaten by rookie

icy2

Hamilton already starting off with bad luck [/QUOTE]

Yeah speed, not the start us Hamilton fans wanted!

I think Magnussen will beat Button often this season, dude is the real deal! Bottas drove the hell out of that Williams today also!

Mugen.Justice

Can't blame him, lol. Although I think he's just glad to move up that many spots after the crappy luck during qualifying.


I think Kevin will be better influence/competition than Checo was for Button.

Aman

Chief F1 Fan

Ricciardo disqualification details:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112966

F-C

Interesting on which way this appeal will go.

Chief F1 Fan

It doesn't look as though it's going to go RBR's way since the team, after being told their fuel flow was incorrect didn't use the FIA's recommended approach (ignored) and instead, used their own manner of correction. I predict that penalty being upheld unfortunately for Ricciardo. :boo:

Aman

Agreed, especially since it seems like most of the other teams were having problems with the sensors, but they all agreed to the FIA's "band-aid", for lack of a better term.

F-C

Based on the reporting so far, it does look like RB will not win the appeal. However, I haven't seen anything yet which explains exactly what RB did. Did they use their own fuel sensor? How are they going to prove that their flow rate was within the limits?

Legend2TL

McLaren could write a book on F1 rookies (and near rookies) and their effect on other drivers. Hamilton, Prost, Hakkinen, Raikkonen...

The best was when Hakkinen outqualified Senna in his first race for McLaren in 1993.

F-C

The ones that stick in my head are the failures, chiefly Andretti and J. Magnussen.

Legend2TL

Jan Magnussen only drove one race for them, so they were pretty wise to not continue him.
I think of Hamilton, Prost, Kimi, Mika as their successful drivers who came in as rookies or minimal F1 experience.

Andretti definite failure, his story is unique in that he thought highly of his driving skills but refused to live in Europe. That infuriated Dennis and others. This leads to Häkkinen replacing him at the Portuguese Grand Prix, Mika knew Senna since he was McLaren's test driver.

Amusing story from Jo Ramirez at McLaren on this.

Senna had previously had Micheal as a easy teammate to dominate. Since Senna had just signed with Williams, some in McLaren think Senna was not putting forth his best effort. Mika shows up, and Senna comes over and offers to "help" him with his qualifying setup and race line. Mika hasn't raced a F1 car in a year, shyly tells Senna he knows the course (raced for Lotus for couple years) and should do fine. Goes out and beats Senna to 3rd on the grid behind the Williams. Came in, gets out and tells Senna that the he and the car are good. Ramirez said even Dennis had a chuckle over it.

Legend2TL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...dium-slip.html

F-C

Glad to see Ron back.

Legend2TL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...el-retire.html



If it really was only worth 8HP, that's a embarrassment for the team.

fsttyms1

Im no RB fan, and granted it is just a matter of a few key strokes of a computer to fix, This is just plain stupid. Hey, Lets just have one engine manufacturer, one ecu tune, one chassis etc for everyone so that no one has an advantage. Part of racing is finding out something that works better than your rival. If that comes from tuning or exhaust design or what ever as long as engine specs meet the requirements, stuff like fuel flow should be null and void. Especially when there is only a limited amount of fuel allowed in the car in the first place. But that is just my

00TL-P3.2

I can understand this argument. Set amount of fuel, if your flow rate is too high & you can't finish the race, SOL for you.
Makes sense to me.

Chief F1 Fan

^^^ except that's far too simple of a conclusion. More fuel means more power and if the Regie has figured out how to use less than 100 kg of fuel for a race distance but still inject more fuel via a heightened flow rate, they are cheating and still finishing (like they did in Australia).

fsttyms1: they've had that series, it was called the Barber Saab series and it SUCKED

Black Tire

What do you think of the new sounds of the engines?