Formula One: 2012 Season News and Discussion Thread **GP Brazil (page 16)**
03-21-2012, 02:01 PM
#81
Goodbye.
well this year we've got a bunch of rainmeisters: Schumi, Kimi, Hamilton, Vettel, and if it just stays lightly misted: Button.
Although, I shudder to think of the amount of crashes due to new drivers and Maldonado......and the always reliable in the wet: Massa
Although, I shudder to think of the amount of crashes due to new drivers and Maldonado......and the always reliable in the wet: Massa
03-21-2012, 02:58 PM
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^ Button thrives in the wet/dry changing conditions races (Canada 2011)
03-21-2012, 03:01 PM
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still think hamilton can pull the fastest lap times in the rain
03-21-2012, 03:14 PM
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And don't forget Button won Malaysia the last time it had torrential rain, in 2009 in the Brawn.
03-21-2012, 04:16 PM
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He is not a true rainmeister.
Yeah that was 90% the car and luck.
03-21-2012, 04:42 PM
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He's no Senna or Schumacher but his skill in the wet is pretty good especially when the conditions are changing.
03-21-2012, 05:22 PM
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I was in Canada with West and it was far from damp. At times it looked like you could canoe on the track. Hamilton is too erratic. He needs to revert to his first year ways as he was much more reliable. Now I throw him out most of the time b/c of his inconsistency and hot head. I like the guy too, don't get me wrong.
03-21-2012, 06:41 PM
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Button's style is quite suited to the rain, how many times have we heard how smooth he is and about his ability to conserve tyres? Due to his dry style I don't think he has to change nearly as much as other drivers in the wet so the speed comes much more naturally to him in poor traction conditions.
03-21-2012, 06:56 PM
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As a rainmeister, Hamilton made a huge blunder back in 2007.
In the dry/rain-soaked 2007 Chinese GP, he entered the pit lane too fast, went off into the gravel trap, and got stuck helplessly. Result : a DNF for Hamilton.
He scored no point for this second last race of the season, and also cost him the Driver's Championship title. After the final race, he was only 1 points behind Räikkönen in the final point standing.
Had he not slid off and scored some points (2 or more) in China, he would have been crowned the title instead of Räikkönen.
In the dry/rain-soaked 2007 Chinese GP, he entered the pit lane too fast, went off into the gravel trap, and got stuck helplessly. Result : a DNF for Hamilton.
He scored no point for this second last race of the season, and also cost him the Driver's Championship title. After the final race, he was only 1 points behind Räikkönen in the final point standing.
Had he not slid off and scored some points (2 or more) in China, he would have been crowned the title instead of Räikkönen.
03-21-2012, 07:07 PM
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boom
03-21-2012, 08:39 PM
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Great stuff. Owned. 
Watching that reminds me how ugly this year's cars are.
Watching that reminds me how ugly this year's cars are.
03-22-2012, 01:13 AM
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haha yea, its definitely grew on me though.
03-22-2012, 12:23 PM
#93
Goodbye.
As a rainmeister, Hamilton made a huge blunder back in 2007.
In the dry/rain-soaked 2007 Chinese GP, he entered the pit lane too fast, went off into the gravel trap, and got stuck helplessly. Result : a DNF for Hamilton.
He scored no point for this second last race of the season, and also cost him the Driver's Championship title. After the final race, he was only 1 points behind Räikkönen in the final point standing.
Had he not slid off and scored some points (2 or more) in China, he would have been crowned the title instead of Räikkönen.
In the dry/rain-soaked 2007 Chinese GP, he entered the pit lane too fast, went off into the gravel trap, and got stuck helplessly. Result : a DNF for Hamilton.
He scored no point for this second last race of the season, and also cost him the Driver's Championship title. After the final race, he was only 1 points behind Räikkönen in the final point standing.
Had he not slid off and scored some points (2 or more) in China, he would have been crowned the title instead of Räikkönen.
03-22-2012, 11:00 PM
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Malaysia FP1:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m38.021s 19
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m38.535s + 0.514 21
3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m38.813s + 0.792 21
4. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m38.826s + 0.805 19
5. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m38.919s + 0.898 17
6. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m39.092s + 1.071 20
7. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m39.128s + 1.107 22
8. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m39.298s + 1.277 23
9. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.323s + 1.302 15
10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m39.440s + 1.419 19
11. Valterri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m39.724s + 1.703 23
12. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m39.783s + 1.762 23
13. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m39.896s + 1.875 16
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m39.910s + 1.889 21
15. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m39.980s + 1.959 23
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.099s + 2.078 23
17. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m40.247s + 2.226 19
18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.469s + 2.448 23
19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m40.857s + 2.836 25
20. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.085s + 3.064 23
21. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m43.170s + 5.149 18
22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m44.580s + 6.559 14
23. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m45.360s + 7.339 8
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m45.528s + 7.507 18
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m38.021s 19
2. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m38.535s + 0.514 21
3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m38.813s + 0.792 21
4. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m38.826s + 0.805 19
5. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m38.919s + 0.898 17
6. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m39.092s + 1.071 20
7. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m39.128s + 1.107 22
8. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m39.298s + 1.277 23
9. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.323s + 1.302 15
10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m39.440s + 1.419 19
11. Valterri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m39.724s + 1.703 23
12. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m39.783s + 1.762 23
13. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m39.896s + 1.875 16
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m39.910s + 1.889 21
15. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m39.980s + 1.959 23
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.099s + 2.078 23
17. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m40.247s + 2.226 19
18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.469s + 2.448 23
19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m40.857s + 2.836 25
20. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.085s + 3.064 23
21. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m43.170s + 5.149 18
22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m44.580s + 6.559 14
23. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m45.360s + 7.339 8
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m45.528s + 7.507 18
03-23-2012, 12:52 AM
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I'd swear there was 25th car running P1. I thougtht it was Senna.
Did Williams run P1 with 3 cars? Or 2 cars and 3 drivers?
Edit:
I think the F1 Live Timing app just had Senna on the list during P1. Not actually running laps.
Did Williams run P1 with 3 cars? Or 2 cars and 3 drivers?
Edit:
I think the F1 Live Timing app just had Senna on the list during P1. Not actually running laps.
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03-23-2012, 07:23 AM
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Hamilton/McLaren
03-23-2012, 12:43 PM
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lol... fail ^
03-23-2012, 01:03 PM
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Malaysia FP2:
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.172
2. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:38.533
3. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.535
4. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:38.696
5. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:38.853
6. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:38.891
7. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:39.133
8. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:39.297
9. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:39.311
10. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:39.402
11. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:39.444
12. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:39.464
13. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1:39.625
14. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:39.687
15. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:39.696
16. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:40.271
17. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1:40.678
18. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:40.947
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:41.464
20. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:41.681
21. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:42.594
22. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:42.874
23. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1:43.658
24. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:43.823
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.172
2. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:38.533
3. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.535
4. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:38.696
5. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:38.853
6. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:38.891
7. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:39.133
8. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:39.297
9. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:39.311
10. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:39.402
11. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:39.444
12. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:39.464
13. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1:39.625
14. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:39.687
15. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:39.696
16. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:40.271
17. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1:40.678
18. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:40.947
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:41.464
20. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:41.681
21. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:42.594
22. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:42.874
23. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1:43.658
24. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:43.823
03-23-2012, 01:04 PM
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Looks like HRT is within 107% 
03-23-2012, 10:36 PM
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Lotus has been forced to relocate itself in the Sepang paddock after a fire destroyed its hospitality unit overnight.
In the early hours of Saturday morning, a suspected electrical fault in a fridge caused a fire that eventually destroyed the team's hospitality unit and kitchen facilities.
AUTOSPORT understands that the team was able to save some of its drivers' kits - including overalls and boots - from the private rooms of Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean.
With its unit now out of action, Lotus has been forced to move itself next to Marussia at the bottom end of the Sepang paddock – although its marketing and hospitality staff have been left without any equipment.
The team's engineering operation has been unaffected, as it is based in a separate unit attached to the pit building, and the fire will not have any impact on its track efforts.
In the early hours of Saturday morning, a suspected electrical fault in a fridge caused a fire that eventually destroyed the team's hospitality unit and kitchen facilities.
AUTOSPORT understands that the team was able to save some of its drivers' kits - including overalls and boots - from the private rooms of Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean.
With its unit now out of action, Lotus has been forced to move itself next to Marussia at the bottom end of the Sepang paddock – although its marketing and hospitality staff have been left without any equipment.
The team's engineering operation has been unaffected, as it is based in a separate unit attached to the pit building, and the fire will not have any impact on its track efforts.
03-24-2012, 12:04 AM
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03-24-2012, 10:38 PM
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03-26-2012, 07:34 AM
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Sauber: "Perez, u r the man. U r catching Alonso at a second a lap. U r a legeend!"
Ferrari: "Peter, remember clause 1.5 in our engine supply agreement?"
Sauber: "Perez, do not attempt a pass. Second place is good enough for us. You will be a legend next year in a Ferrari."
Ferrari: "Peter, remember clause 1.5 in our engine supply agreement?"
Sauber: "Perez, do not attempt a pass. Second place is good enough for us. You will be a legend next year in a Ferrari."
03-26-2012, 08:20 AM
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Gotta love Kimi and his sense of humor!
http://planetf1.com/driver/18227/762...eam-man-giveth
Kimi Raikkonen showed that beneath that icy facade is a sense of humour to rival most as he gifted the media ice-creams at Sepang.
The late time he raced at the Sepang circuit, Raikkonen was slated by many while earning a chuckle from others as, with the race suspended due to the heavy downpour, he headed into his Ferrari garage for a Coke and a chocolate ice-cream.
That proved to be the Finn's final season with Ferrari as his commitment to the team and the sport was called into question.
Three years later - and back in F1 - there were again ice-creams to be had in Malaysia although this time they were for the press.
With more rain and another suspended race on the horizon, the Lotus team handed out ice-creams to the media on behalf of their Finnish driver ahead of Sunday's grand prix.
The treat came with a note saying "please enjoy this ice-cream" and was insurmountable proof that Raikkonen does have a sense of humour.
http://planetf1.com/driver/18227/762...eam-man-giveth
Kimi Raikkonen showed that beneath that icy facade is a sense of humour to rival most as he gifted the media ice-creams at Sepang.
The late time he raced at the Sepang circuit, Raikkonen was slated by many while earning a chuckle from others as, with the race suspended due to the heavy downpour, he headed into his Ferrari garage for a Coke and a chocolate ice-cream.
That proved to be the Finn's final season with Ferrari as his commitment to the team and the sport was called into question.
Three years later - and back in F1 - there were again ice-creams to be had in Malaysia although this time they were for the press.
With more rain and another suspended race on the horizon, the Lotus team handed out ice-creams to the media on behalf of their Finnish driver ahead of Sunday's grand prix.
The treat came with a note saying "please enjoy this ice-cream" and was insurmountable proof that Raikkonen does have a sense of humour.
03-26-2012, 08:35 AM
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03-26-2012, 08:38 AM
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Sure, we believe you.
03-26-2012, 08:39 AM
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03-26-2012, 08:40 AM
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03-26-2012, 11:04 AM
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lol either way perez didnt listen. He was going for the podium. I wish he took it!
03-26-2012, 01:12 PM
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Adam Parr has resigned as chairman of the Williams Formula One team.
No official reason was given for Parr's departure, which was announced in a team statement Monday.
Parr came to Williams in 2006 as chief executive officer and moved up to chairman in 2010.
Team principal Frank Williams says Parr "leaves us on good terms to pursue a better balance in his life for which I wish him and his family well."
Williams says Nick Rose, a non-executive director of Williams Grand Prix Holdings, will be appointed non-executive chairman, while Frank Williams will continue to oversee the company.
No official reason was given for Parr's departure, which was announced in a team statement Monday.
Parr came to Williams in 2006 as chief executive officer and moved up to chairman in 2010.
Team principal Frank Williams says Parr "leaves us on good terms to pursue a better balance in his life for which I wish him and his family well."
Williams says Nick Rose, a non-executive director of Williams Grand Prix Holdings, will be appointed non-executive chairman, while Frank Williams will continue to oversee the company.
03-27-2012, 12:12 PM
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Red Bull will sit with Sebastian Vettel following reports the German deliberately ignored the team's race instructions in Malaysia.
The team was heard on the radio instructing the reigning back-to-back World Champion to retire his car, ostensibly because of dangerously high brake temperatures.
So often were the calls unheeded that Vettel's engineer Guillaume 'Rocky' Rocquelin ultimately declared it an "emergency."
A late-race retirement, with Vettel definitely out of the points following his clash with Narain Karthikeyan, would have allowed Red Bull to install a new gearbox in his car for the forthcoming event in China.
Red Bull explained that Vettel did not hear the instructions due to a broken radio.
But photographs have emerged that show those instructions were also reflected in Vettel's end-of-lap pit boards.
And the 24-year-old let slip immediately after the race: "Of course you can save the car, but I wanted to see the checkered flag.
"I think that's how it should be."
Bild newspaper surmises that Vettel "ignored his bosses' orders."
Team boss Christian Horner commented: "We'll talk about it."
The German newspaper said Vettel is due at the team's Milton Keynes headquarters at the end of this week, for time on the Red Bull driver simulator prior to Shanghai.
Italy's La Repubblica newspaper said 2012 has been "a nightmare" for Vettel so far, as the once-dominant driver "has become just one of the other drivers."
The team was heard on the radio instructing the reigning back-to-back World Champion to retire his car, ostensibly because of dangerously high brake temperatures.
So often were the calls unheeded that Vettel's engineer Guillaume 'Rocky' Rocquelin ultimately declared it an "emergency."
A late-race retirement, with Vettel definitely out of the points following his clash with Narain Karthikeyan, would have allowed Red Bull to install a new gearbox in his car for the forthcoming event in China.
Red Bull explained that Vettel did not hear the instructions due to a broken radio.
But photographs have emerged that show those instructions were also reflected in Vettel's end-of-lap pit boards.
And the 24-year-old let slip immediately after the race: "Of course you can save the car, but I wanted to see the checkered flag.
"I think that's how it should be."
Bild newspaper surmises that Vettel "ignored his bosses' orders."
Team boss Christian Horner commented: "We'll talk about it."
The German newspaper said Vettel is due at the team's Milton Keynes headquarters at the end of this week, for time on the Red Bull driver simulator prior to Shanghai.
Italy's La Repubblica newspaper said 2012 has been "a nightmare" for Vettel so far, as the once-dominant driver "has become just one of the other drivers."
Wasn't it the engineer that told Vettel to come in, stay out, then come in again???
I totally know what you mean,...
03-29-2012, 06:54 AM
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03-29-2012, 06:56 AM
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Mark Webber in his BC column said the rain affected his radio also. Both him and Vettel had no radio's after it began to rain heavy, he suspected the radio's got water in them.
03-29-2012, 08:22 AM
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http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns24001.html
Uh, oh. 
Rather than fly home to Brazil as planned, Felipe Massa has headed to Ferrari's HQ at Maranello to analyse his shortcomings in the opening two grands prix of the season.
The 2012 season is believed to be a make-or-break one for Massa's Ferrari future and although Ferrari's F2012 chassis is not yet a competitive proposition, Massa's performances in Australia and Malaysia have been well below par in comparison with team mate Fernando Alonso, who won at Sepang in mixed conditions.
The news of Massa's change of plans has prompted the Italian media to speculate that the Brazilian is about to be imminently replaced, possibly by Sergio Perez, who finished a fine second for Sauber at Sepang.
Some believe that the Sauber team is financially stretched and may welcome the opportunity to reach an accommodation with Ferrari to put Perez in the car in return for some financial compensation, as Peter Sauber did a decade ago when he 'sold' Kimi Raikkonen to McLaren.
Jarno Trulli's name has also been mentioned as a possible replacement for Massa at a time when Italy is without a driver in F1 for the first time since the seventies.
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali, meanwhile, said: "Felipe will be in Maranello to work alongside the engineers to calmly analyse everything that happened in these past two races, trying to identify why he was not able to deliver what he is capable of. That's the right spirit and we are here, ready to help him."
The 2012 season is believed to be a make-or-break one for Massa's Ferrari future and although Ferrari's F2012 chassis is not yet a competitive proposition, Massa's performances in Australia and Malaysia have been well below par in comparison with team mate Fernando Alonso, who won at Sepang in mixed conditions.
The news of Massa's change of plans has prompted the Italian media to speculate that the Brazilian is about to be imminently replaced, possibly by Sergio Perez, who finished a fine second for Sauber at Sepang.
Some believe that the Sauber team is financially stretched and may welcome the opportunity to reach an accommodation with Ferrari to put Perez in the car in return for some financial compensation, as Peter Sauber did a decade ago when he 'sold' Kimi Raikkonen to McLaren.
Jarno Trulli's name has also been mentioned as a possible replacement for Massa at a time when Italy is without a driver in F1 for the first time since the seventies.
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali, meanwhile, said: "Felipe will be in Maranello to work alongside the engineers to calmly analyse everything that happened in these past two races, trying to identify why he was not able to deliver what he is capable of. That's the right spirit and we are here, ready to help him."
03-29-2012, 08:53 AM
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^ 2008 seems so look ago.
Massa was never the same after his accident.
Massa was never the same after his accident.
03-30-2012, 09:16 AM
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no, Massa was never the same and his sell-by date has come and passed. Put Massa in the Sauber/Perez in the Ferrari.