F1... long season
07-03-2004, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DEVO
Agree with the caveat that the devil you know may be better then the devil you don't know.
On an aside, yesterday had to be the most boring practice session I have seen in a long while. Although it is supposed to be dry the remainder of the weekend, rain might well spice up an other wise boring season even if I am a Ferrari fan.
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07-04-2004, 07:55 AM
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Dammit, MS is back in front. Surprisingly, Bridgestone is having the upper hand over Michelin, even though it is a warm tempearture track today.
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07-04-2004, 10:08 PM
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Wow Ferrari owned that race! Great strategy by the team and fantastic driving by MS.
I agree with ya biker, that was a gift to RB at the end. I wonder what happened to trulli? It just looked like he left the door wide open as if rubens wasn't following him. Well I bet he's having a tough time with that stupid mistake.
I agree with ya biker, that was a gift to RB at the end. I wonder what happened to trulli? It just looked like he left the door wide open as if rubens wasn't following him. Well I bet he's having a tough time with that stupid mistake.
07-05-2004, 05:07 AM
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Strange race. The 4 stopper seemed to be almost Ross' idea of a B!tch Slap, in that Michael would have come out in front after the third stop even with adding enough fuel to finish the race. Magny-Cours is a poor overtaking track so even if Alonso was quicker the only good overtaking spot is Adelaide and with the Ferrari's HP advantage it is unlikely he could have gotten a run on Michael.
As for Trulli he got a poor run off Chateau d'Eau which let the horsepower of the Ferrari get under him (it is a 190mph straight coming off the 60mph Chateau) Rubino dropped out of line and got under him and took a tighter than normal line to the apex of Lycee Pin, it pushed Ruby's track out point wide but since Trulli was on a normal line to the apex and Ruby was already nose in front the move worked. Bottom line Trulli wasn't napping at turn 15 (Lycee) he made his mistake at d"Eau and got to Lycee with two options protect the normal line or protect the tight line, he made the correct decision since if he had protected the tight line Rubens could have switched back to the normal line and just tightened up at the apex when Trulli went wide on the turn out and made the same pass. Nothing Trulli could have done outside hitting Rubens once he got the poor exit on Chateau d'Eau. Trulli is young and just couldn't hold off Rubens all day.
Interesting note, did anyone notice F1 has been all over ESPN News yesterday and this morning, apparently there has to be boring season to get play, but nice to see the pub none the less.
Vandy
As for Trulli he got a poor run off Chateau d'Eau which let the horsepower of the Ferrari get under him (it is a 190mph straight coming off the 60mph Chateau) Rubino dropped out of line and got under him and took a tighter than normal line to the apex of Lycee Pin, it pushed Ruby's track out point wide but since Trulli was on a normal line to the apex and Ruby was already nose in front the move worked. Bottom line Trulli wasn't napping at turn 15 (Lycee) he made his mistake at d"Eau and got to Lycee with two options protect the normal line or protect the tight line, he made the correct decision since if he had protected the tight line Rubens could have switched back to the normal line and just tightened up at the apex when Trulli went wide on the turn out and made the same pass. Nothing Trulli could have done outside hitting Rubens once he got the poor exit on Chateau d'Eau. Trulli is young and just couldn't hold off Rubens all day.
Interesting note, did anyone notice F1 has been all over ESPN News yesterday and this morning, apparently there has to be boring season to get play, but nice to see the pub none the less.
Vandy
07-05-2004, 02:58 PM
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Just thought I'd post this bit from one of the diecast shops I order from. It's usually a bit humorous, so if you want, check it out. This link will open up the die cast shops site, and on the top, it has
'Buck's F1 Review'. That's what you want to read. Hope ya'll enjoy!
http://www.tomotorsports.com/
'Buck's F1 Review'. That's what you want to read. Hope ya'll enjoy!
http://www.tomotorsports.com/
07-06-2004, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Good review. I admit I was gone for a dump as well so I missed the Ruby pass.must admit it was clever but boring
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07-07-2004, 09:53 AM
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this has to be the most boring season ever. just when you think somebody other than MS has a chance to win. poof. no chance. just when qualifying was going to get interesting again (new rules). poof. gone. the only good news is max is out. now let's hope somebody with half of a brain can bring back f1 to a level where I won't fall asleep.
o Eliminate fuel stops.
o Eliminate tire changes.
o Reduce downforce.
o Go back to slicks (more mechanical grip)
o Bring back the old qualifing format.
o Eliminate fuel stops.
o Eliminate tire changes.
o Reduce downforce.
o Go back to slicks (more mechanical grip)
o Bring back the old qualifing format.
07-11-2004, 07:28 AM
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Damnit again. 15 laps into the races, Schumi amasses 3 or 4 hot laps and comes back out of pits with the lead. The race is over after 15 laps. So much for the show.
07-11-2004, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Damnit again. 15 laps into the races, Schumi amasses 3 or 4 hot laps and comes back out of pits with the lead. The race is over after 15 laps. So much for the show.
07-11-2004, 03:33 PM
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She said: it's GINORMOUS!
SOMEBODY wins the British GP. Don't click me if you haven't watched it yet!
he's won 10 of the 11 races....hot damn, this guy's a machine!
he and the Ferrari racing team are on a tear.
he and the Ferrari racing team are on a tear.
Oops...my bad!!
07-12-2004, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
How about we keep all of this stuff in the F1 thread?
It's already an excellent F1 discussion thread, no use starting another one about the exact same thing.
07-12-2004, 08:48 AM
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Button appearently will sign (next week) for an extra 3 years at BAR...
The word is that Trulli is off to Toyota to partner Ralf in 2005...
Honda will have another engine upgrade for the oncomming German GP in 2 weeks time...
The word is that Trulli is off to Toyota to partner Ralf in 2005...
Honda will have another engine upgrade for the oncomming German GP in 2 weeks time...
07-12-2004, 09:26 AM
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A bit of a disappointment for Button at his home GP but 4th isnt bad and he is still 3rd in the championship.
Schumi is so lucky ! overtakes 4 cars in the pit stop, and then has backmarkers to shield him when the SC came on for Trullis crash !
BTW folks I'm hoping to see Nascar (seen F1 @ Barcelona and Champ @ Long Beach) in Talladega next Oct during my road trip thru the deep south.
Any recomendations on seating etc.. ? never been at an oval b4
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Schumi is so lucky ! overtakes 4 cars in the pit stop, and then has backmarkers to shield him when the SC came on for Trullis crash !
BTW folks I'm hoping to see Nascar (seen F1 @ Barcelona and Champ @ Long Beach) in Talladega next Oct during my road trip thru the deep south.
Any recomendations on seating etc.. ? never been at an oval b4
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07-12-2004, 01:02 PM
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I agree.... the teams need to be on a level playing field , that way it would be more of a case of driver skill than $$$$
Well unfortunately sometimes $$$ = drivers skill. And besides toyota has more money than ferrari, .. and maclaren and bmw are right up there too.
Ferrari is winning because they desrve to win. Sometimes they win because they have a better car, but other times they win because they use the right strategy or have the better driver. Toyota, maclaren, bmw, etc have noone to blame but themselves for not winning more races.
07-12-2004, 01:36 PM
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Talk has it that Schumacher won't retire till he actually loses a championship. When the hell will that happen? This guy in untouchable behind the wheel of any F1 car! It would be interesting to see how a championship would pan out without him racing.
07-12-2004, 02:20 PM
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There are people in other F1 forums that actually believe that MS would be scoring points in a Minardi. The Ferrari has a lot to do with where he is. I'm not saying MS isn't good, I totally think he is one of the greats but I'm also a realist. You put MS in a Minardi and he will be lucky to score a point all season.
Actually I've made this arguement on this thread...
And to answer your question...RB would be champion.
Actually I've made this arguement on this thread...
And to answer your question...RB would be champion.
07-12-2004, 08:50 PM
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If, and this is pure speculation from my part, but if the rumors that Flavio Briatore is on his way out of Renault are right, count Jacques Villeneuve as being a serious contender for a racing seat to replace Jarno Trulli, who is becoming more and more rumored to team up with Mark Webber at Williams. We should start to see the puzzle coming together, at the German Grand Prix.
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Jarno Trulli, who is becoming more and more rumored to team up with Mark Webber at Williams. .
07-13-2004, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Correction, Trulli is rumored to team up with Ralf Schumacher at Toyota, and Fisichella would end up at Williams.
07-13-2004, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by fdl
Well unfortunately sometimes $$$ = drivers skill. And besides toyota has more money than ferrari, .. and maclaren and bmw are right up there too.
Ferrari is winning because they desrve to win. Sometimes they win because they have a better car, but other times they win because they use the right strategy or have the better driver. Toyota, maclaren, bmw, etc have noone to blame but themselves for not winning more races.
Ferrari is winning because they desrve to win. Sometimes they win because they have a better car, but other times they win because they use the right strategy or have the better driver. Toyota, maclaren, bmw, etc have noone to blame but themselves for not winning more races.
Hakkiken would be a good driver to return he was a worthy rival to MS, I don't like Jacque Villenueve though...he spent so much time at BAR going nowhere.
The problem now is that non of the other teams can consistently threaten ferrari
i.e BAR is good in one race, Renault in another, Mclaren in the next.
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07-14-2004, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by type-s
The problem now is that non of the other teams can consistently threaten ferrari
i.e BAR is good in one race, Renault in another, Mclaren in the next.
Ernie
Exactly, Renault was strong in France, but a week later, they were stuck in midfield. Consistency is the strongest strength of Ferrari right now.
07-16-2004, 11:40 AM
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Big changes proposed for 2005
From 2006, there will be a choice of engines...
The FIA has today provided the Formula One teams with details of a package of measures to reduce the performance of Formula One cars. These measures are likely to be imposed if satisfactory proposals have not been agreed by at least eight teams and presented to the FIA before 6 September 2004.
1. Aerodynamics (2005)
Diffuser height limited, front wing raised, rear wing element moved forward and changes to the bodywork immediately in front of the rear wheels. Together, these changes are estimated to reduce downforce on a current car by at least 25%, but reduce drag by less than 4%.
Explanation: lower downforce will reduce speeds, particularly in fast corners, and slightly increase braking distances, while the small reduction in drag will have a minimal effect on straight-line speeds.
2. Tyres (2005)
A driver may choose from two types of tyre, as in 2004. He will then have two sets of his chosen tyre, one for Friday and Saturday practice, the other for qualifying and the race. A damaged tyre can be replaced during the race (taken from the first set), but the car cannot be refuelled at the same time as the damaged tyre is changed.
Explanation: a tyre which must last 350 km rather than 80 km will have less grip, reducing cornering speeds, increasing braking distances and possibly producing less tyre debris or “marbles”.
3. Engine (2005)
One engine to last for two race weekends.
Explanation: both peak and average power will be less than for an engine with a shorter life.
4. Engine (2006)
2.4 litre V8 (90º) with maximum bore diameter, fixed cylinder spacing, minimum crankshaft centre line height, minimum weight and minimum height of centre of gravity. Direct fuel injection, variable geometry inlet systems, variable geometry exhaust systems, variable valve timing and variable valve lift systems all prohibited. Only one spark plug, one coil and one injector per cylinder. Exotic materials banned.
Explanation: a 20% reduction in capacity will produce a corresponding drop in power. Constraints on design and the use of materials will significantly slow the rate of power increase and reduce the scope for using engine design to improve chassis characteristics. Keeping existing cylinder sizes retains many current engine components while keeping engine revs close to current levels.
5. Other engines
During 2006 and 2007, teams which cannot obtain a 2.4 litre engine will be able to use a 3 litre V10 with power restricted by means of a rev limit fixed by the FIA.
Explanation: this will ensure that all teams (including new entrants) have access to a competitive engine, even if supplies of the new 2.4 are initially restricted.
Press Release
FIA
From 2006, there will be a choice of engines...
The FIA has today provided the Formula One teams with details of a package of measures to reduce the performance of Formula One cars. These measures are likely to be imposed if satisfactory proposals have not been agreed by at least eight teams and presented to the FIA before 6 September 2004.
1. Aerodynamics (2005)
Diffuser height limited, front wing raised, rear wing element moved forward and changes to the bodywork immediately in front of the rear wheels. Together, these changes are estimated to reduce downforce on a current car by at least 25%, but reduce drag by less than 4%.
Explanation: lower downforce will reduce speeds, particularly in fast corners, and slightly increase braking distances, while the small reduction in drag will have a minimal effect on straight-line speeds.
2. Tyres (2005)
A driver may choose from two types of tyre, as in 2004. He will then have two sets of his chosen tyre, one for Friday and Saturday practice, the other for qualifying and the race. A damaged tyre can be replaced during the race (taken from the first set), but the car cannot be refuelled at the same time as the damaged tyre is changed.
Explanation: a tyre which must last 350 km rather than 80 km will have less grip, reducing cornering speeds, increasing braking distances and possibly producing less tyre debris or “marbles”.
3. Engine (2005)
One engine to last for two race weekends.
Explanation: both peak and average power will be less than for an engine with a shorter life.
4. Engine (2006)
2.4 litre V8 (90º) with maximum bore diameter, fixed cylinder spacing, minimum crankshaft centre line height, minimum weight and minimum height of centre of gravity. Direct fuel injection, variable geometry inlet systems, variable geometry exhaust systems, variable valve timing and variable valve lift systems all prohibited. Only one spark plug, one coil and one injector per cylinder. Exotic materials banned.
Explanation: a 20% reduction in capacity will produce a corresponding drop in power. Constraints on design and the use of materials will significantly slow the rate of power increase and reduce the scope for using engine design to improve chassis characteristics. Keeping existing cylinder sizes retains many current engine components while keeping engine revs close to current levels.
5. Other engines
During 2006 and 2007, teams which cannot obtain a 2.4 litre engine will be able to use a 3 litre V10 with power restricted by means of a rev limit fixed by the FIA.
Explanation: this will ensure that all teams (including new entrants) have access to a competitive engine, even if supplies of the new 2.4 are initially restricted.
Press Release
FIA
07-16-2004, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mokijoki
1. Aerodynamics (2005)
Diffuser height limited, front wing raised, rear wing element moved forward and changes to the bodywork immediately in front of the rear wheels. Together, these changes are estimated to reduce downforce on a current car by at least 25%, but reduce drag by less than 4%.
Diffuser height limited, front wing raised, rear wing element moved forward and changes to the bodywork immediately in front of the rear wheels. Together, these changes are estimated to reduce downforce on a current car by at least 25%, but reduce drag by less than 4%.
2. Tyres (2005)
A driver may choose from two types of tyre, as in 2004. He will then have two sets of his chosen tyre, one for Friday and Saturday practice, the other for qualifying and the race. A damaged tyre can be replaced during the race (taken from the first set), but the car cannot be refuelled at the same time as the damaged tyre is changed.
Explanation: a tyre which must last 350 km rather than 80 km will have less grip, reducing cornering speeds, increasing braking distances and possibly producing less tyre debris or “marbles”.
A driver may choose from two types of tyre, as in 2004. He will then have two sets of his chosen tyre, one for Friday and Saturday practice, the other for qualifying and the race. A damaged tyre can be replaced during the race (taken from the first set), but the car cannot be refuelled at the same time as the damaged tyre is changed.
Explanation: a tyre which must last 350 km rather than 80 km will have less grip, reducing cornering speeds, increasing braking distances and possibly producing less tyre debris or “marbles”.
3. Engine (2005)
One engine to last for two race weekends.
Explanation: both peak and average power will be less than for an engine with a shorter life.
One engine to last for two race weekends.
Explanation: both peak and average power will be less than for an engine with a shorter life.
4. Engine (2006)
2.4 litre V8 (90º) with maximum bore diameter, fixed cylinder spacing, minimum crankshaft centre line height, minimum weight and minimum height of centre of gravity. Direct fuel injection, variable geometry inlet systems, variable geometry exhaust systems, variable valve timing and variable valve lift systems all prohibited. Only one spark plug, one coil and one injector per cylinder. Exotic materials banned.
Explanation: a 20% reduction in capacity will produce a corresponding drop in power. Constraints on design and the use of materials will significantly slow the rate of power increase and reduce the scope for using engine design to improve chassis characteristics. Keeping existing cylinder sizes retains many current engine components while keeping engine revs close to current levels.
2.4 litre V8 (90º) with maximum bore diameter, fixed cylinder spacing, minimum crankshaft centre line height, minimum weight and minimum height of centre of gravity. Direct fuel injection, variable geometry inlet systems, variable geometry exhaust systems, variable valve timing and variable valve lift systems all prohibited. Only one spark plug, one coil and one injector per cylinder. Exotic materials banned.
Explanation: a 20% reduction in capacity will produce a corresponding drop in power. Constraints on design and the use of materials will significantly slow the rate of power increase and reduce the scope for using engine design to improve chassis characteristics. Keeping existing cylinder sizes retains many current engine components while keeping engine revs close to current levels.
5. Other engines
During 2006 and 2007, teams which cannot obtain a 2.4 litre engine will be able to use a 3 litre V10 with power restricted by means of a rev limit fixed by the FIA.
Explanation: this will ensure that all teams (including new entrants) have access to a competitive engine, even if supplies of the new 2.4 are initially restricted.
During 2006 and 2007, teams which cannot obtain a 2.4 litre engine will be able to use a 3 litre V10 with power restricted by means of a rev limit fixed by the FIA.
Explanation: this will ensure that all teams (including new entrants) have access to a competitive engine, even if supplies of the new 2.4 are initially restricted.
My problem with all this is that the speeds are really reduced, but the cornering ability is. So, no cars can really afford to go off the race line to pass. I think passing will be even MORE difficult with these new rules. I'd like them seriously reduce the power, but keep the grip the same (albiet less debris to remove marbles and clean the track). This way, you can hang the car out there in the corners and have much more passing opportunities.
07-16-2004, 12:36 PM
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Lung... any aero downforce reduction rule is a good thing. Right now it's because of all the aero downforce that there is a lack of any kind of passing. You can't get close behind somebody because the second that you do, you lose your downforce.