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Dude, why are you so upset? Surely you could not have believed the "hype" that came about, right?
Their business model was flaky at best and even then, many people (on here and elsewhere) were throwing red flags at the starting price.
No offence, if there was really such thing as "easy money"? I'd be sitting with BoostedJack somewhere on my own tropical island country that I bought long ago.
Their business model was flaky at best and even then, many people (on here and elsewhere) were throwing red flags at the starting price.
No offence, if there was really such thing as "easy money"? I'd be sitting with BoostedJack somewhere on my own tropical island country that I bought long ago.
#206
They fixed it. It did show $23.41 earlier.
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#208
The sizzle in the Steak
Facebook suckered investors like they sucker their users.
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#210
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ Facebook left NOTHING on the table.
Shares were overvalued.
Shares were overvalued.
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#211
Suzuka Master
so nows here's the question....
whens do you think fb will hit the bottom and start going up??
whens do you think fb will hit the bottom and start going up??
#212
The sizzle in the Steak
I'd wait until after the next earnings report......to even see if you want to put your toe in this water.
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Regulators to Review Morgan Stanley Facebook Allegations
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47523622
oh boy!
The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority's chairman said on Tuesday that regulators plan to review allegations that Morgan Stanley shared negative news before Facebook's initial public offering with institutional investors.
"The allegations, if true, are a matter of regulatory concern" to FINRA and SEC, Ketchum told Reuters.
Ketchum made the remarks to Reuters in response to allegations that Morgan Stanley [MS 13.31 0.12 (+0.91%) ], the lead underwriter on the deal, unexpectedly delivered some negative news to major clients in the run-up to Facebook's [FB 31.00 -3.03 (-8.9%) ] $16 billion IPO: The bank's consumer Internet analyst, Scott Devitt, was reducing his revenue forecasts for the company.
Massachusetts Secretary of Commonwealth William Galvin has issued a subpoena to Morgan Stanley over the discussions with investors on Facebook.
It is unusual for analysts at lead underwriters to make such changes so close to the IPO, sources said. It is unclear whether Morgan Stanley only told its top clients about the revised view or spread the word more broadly.
"The Securities Division has put out a subpoena to Morgan Stanley in connection with the analyst's discussion with certain institutional investors about the revenue prospects for Facebook,'' a spokesman for Galvin's office said.
Morgan Stanley maintains that its handling of the Facebook IPO was in compliance with standard procedure.
"The allegations, if true, are a matter of regulatory concern" to FINRA and SEC, Ketchum told Reuters.
Ketchum made the remarks to Reuters in response to allegations that Morgan Stanley [MS 13.31 0.12 (+0.91%) ], the lead underwriter on the deal, unexpectedly delivered some negative news to major clients in the run-up to Facebook's [FB 31.00 -3.03 (-8.9%) ] $16 billion IPO: The bank's consumer Internet analyst, Scott Devitt, was reducing his revenue forecasts for the company.
Massachusetts Secretary of Commonwealth William Galvin has issued a subpoena to Morgan Stanley over the discussions with investors on Facebook.
It is unusual for analysts at lead underwriters to make such changes so close to the IPO, sources said. It is unclear whether Morgan Stanley only told its top clients about the revised view or spread the word more broadly.
"The Securities Division has put out a subpoena to Morgan Stanley in connection with the analyst's discussion with certain institutional investors about the revenue prospects for Facebook,'' a spokesman for Galvin's office said.
Morgan Stanley maintains that its handling of the Facebook IPO was in compliance with standard procedure.
oh boy!
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Facebook: A $10.00 stock?!?!
(Reuters) - In its three days of trading, Facebook's stock has dropped 18 percent from its $38 issue price. For the thousands of investors that bought at the IPO, that's bad enough, but one analysis of its earnings prospects suggests it could get a lot worse - more like $10 a share.
Setting aside the hype and the cultural phenomenon that is the online networking site, Facebook Inc would be fairly priced at $9.59, according to the smattering of Wall Street estimates analyzed and modeled by Thomson Reuters StarMine.
Data from six brokerages modeled by StarMine forecast the company's estimated annualized earnings growth over the next 10 years at 10.8 percent. That's almost exactly the mean for the technology sector and far below the 24 percent growth rate implied by the current stock price.
Some analysts, however, see the stock returning to the $40 per share level it traded at last week.
"Investors are looking for much more growth than the analysts covering the company," said Greg Harrison, corporate earnings research analyst at Thomson Reuters.
Starmine's intrinsic value estimate incorporates analyst estimates for the next five years of growth and then models another five years of steadily slower growth trends based on industry averages.
It is possible that its data will change as more analyst estimates become available. Underwriters are restricted from issuing research on a company for 40 days, and Facebook has a number of underwriters, led by Morgan Stanley.
Investor confidence in the shares has been damaged after Reuters reported lead underwriter Morgan Stanley cut its revenue forecasts for Facebook in the days before the offering, in part because of comments from Facebook on mobile usage.
After pricing at $38, far more than the first estimate of $28 the company gave investors, shares have been sliding - at one point as much as 31 percent from the $45 peak hit shortly after it started trading Friday.
"Facebook right now is going for far more than what it's worth, it's like buying $1 for $1.98, it just doesn't make sense at this price," said Eddy Elfenbein, widely followed blogger and editor at Crossing Wall Street.
Starmine's analysis of Google Inc's value puts that stock at $680, assuming a growth rate of 10.1 percent for the next 10 years. That makes the Internet giant undervalued at $599 a share.
"Just from basic modeling the stock should be around $17 to $20 dollars, and that is with a lot of variables," Elfenbein said. "I would call that an ideal price. I would be interested in buying and I think that is a good deal for investors."
The $9.59 level is less than one-third of the trough of $30.94 hit Tuesday.
Setting aside the hype and the cultural phenomenon that is the online networking site, Facebook Inc would be fairly priced at $9.59, according to the smattering of Wall Street estimates analyzed and modeled by Thomson Reuters StarMine.
Data from six brokerages modeled by StarMine forecast the company's estimated annualized earnings growth over the next 10 years at 10.8 percent. That's almost exactly the mean for the technology sector and far below the 24 percent growth rate implied by the current stock price.
Some analysts, however, see the stock returning to the $40 per share level it traded at last week.
"Investors are looking for much more growth than the analysts covering the company," said Greg Harrison, corporate earnings research analyst at Thomson Reuters.
Starmine's intrinsic value estimate incorporates analyst estimates for the next five years of growth and then models another five years of steadily slower growth trends based on industry averages.
It is possible that its data will change as more analyst estimates become available. Underwriters are restricted from issuing research on a company for 40 days, and Facebook has a number of underwriters, led by Morgan Stanley.
Investor confidence in the shares has been damaged after Reuters reported lead underwriter Morgan Stanley cut its revenue forecasts for Facebook in the days before the offering, in part because of comments from Facebook on mobile usage.
After pricing at $38, far more than the first estimate of $28 the company gave investors, shares have been sliding - at one point as much as 31 percent from the $45 peak hit shortly after it started trading Friday.
"Facebook right now is going for far more than what it's worth, it's like buying $1 for $1.98, it just doesn't make sense at this price," said Eddy Elfenbein, widely followed blogger and editor at Crossing Wall Street.
Starmine's analysis of Google Inc's value puts that stock at $680, assuming a growth rate of 10.1 percent for the next 10 years. That makes the Internet giant undervalued at $599 a share.
"Just from basic modeling the stock should be around $17 to $20 dollars, and that is with a lot of variables," Elfenbein said. "I would call that an ideal price. I would be interested in buying and I think that is a good deal for investors."
The $9.59 level is less than one-third of the trough of $30.94 hit Tuesday.
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Too bad you can't buy any puts yet
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Can't wait for "Next on American Greed, The Facebook IPO"
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The GRPN chart isn't a pretty graph. The general traits are:
1. stock rapidly goes down by 50%- that means $19-$20 for FB
2. stock then quickly goes up 50%- that means back up to $30 for FB
3. stock then slowly goes down- you see lower highs and lower lows predominantly in the stock chart. ==> target is $12 in one year
Look at the fundamentals:
Price/Sales = 23!!! (makes Apple look like a value stock at 4)
PEG = 1.8 pretty high considering the user growth
A huge shot across the bow on the business premise is GM deciding not to go with more FB ads- not a good sign for a growing business.
I would not touch FB for at least a year until there is more clarity on the stock and company. You have insider selling in 6 months and a lot of new activity coming sooner with options and shorting. I also wouldn't touch the stock with such extreme fundamentals so it's not anything I want to own. Google is a much better company to own instead- even if its a few shares.
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You moved your per share price from $42 to about $40.
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Zuck just sold 30.2 million shares at $37.58
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...45X03/doc4.xml
That is just about 8% of his entire holdings.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fac...res-2012-05-22
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...45X03/doc4.xml
That is just about 8% of his entire holdings.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fac...res-2012-05-22
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Facebook Inc. FB +2.55% Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg has sold 30.2 million shares and director Peter Thiel has sold 16.8 million shares of the social-networking company, according to securities filings published late Tuesday. The sales confirm plans detailed in a prospectus before Friday's $16 billion IPO. Zuckerberg sold 30.2 million shares at a price of $37.58 for gross proceeds of $1.13 billion; Thiel sold 16.8 million shares for gross proceeds of $633 million. Facebook insiders had told prospective shareholders of their plans in an S-1 filing last week. Facebook FB +2.55% shares were down 0.8% after hours at $30.74.
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^ Beat me to that.
Here's another one
Here's another one
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) – Facebook Inc. and the lead underwriters of its inital public offering were sued on Wednesday in a federal district court in New York. The class-action lawsuit accuses the company of "false and misleading representations and ommissions" made in the process of its IPO roadshow. The complaint specifically points to news reports that Facebook's lead underwriters -- Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan -- cut back their revenue forecasts for Facebook during the roadshow, which was only shared with a limited number of clients. A representative for Facebook could not be reached for immediate comment.
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Zuck just sold 30.2 million shares at $37.58
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...45X03/doc4.xml
That is just about 8% of his entire holdings.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fac...res-2012-05-22
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...45X03/doc4.xml
That is just about 8% of his entire holdings.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fac...res-2012-05-22
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THe way I see to make money Is to buy when it bottoms out for the day, then sell at the high point.
Look at Monday's and Tuesday's chart.
But Im not taking that risk and don't have the time to watch the chart. I'm gonna just ride it out with my shares. Hopefully it won't tank anymore.
Look at Monday's and Tuesday's chart.
But Im not taking that risk and don't have the time to watch the chart. I'm gonna just ride it out with my shares. Hopefully it won't tank anymore.
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So unless they spend some of their new cash on something to gain more revenue, down it goes.
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They need to grow 25% year to hit what? ... To hit a point where their 100bill p/e ratio would decline to 20p/e?? I'm not sure what the implications of your statement are
AFAIK if they grow 0% per year and lose 0% per year, it just means you have to wait 100 years to get all that money back (in a weird way of putting it)
AFAIK if they grow 0% per year and lose 0% per year, it just means you have to wait 100 years to get all that money back (in a weird way of putting it)
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Besides, how will my crazy ex-girlfriend stock me without FB?
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These crazy ex-gf stalking comments... are like... weird to me, cause I hear so many of them. What does it have to do with FB? I mean... I've been getting emails from an ex-GF and ignoring them for more than 6 years now. (Ironic she's the one who ditched me and had a secret guy on the side for 2 years before bothering to tell me)
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They need to grow 25% year to hit what? ... To hit a point where their 100bill p/e ratio would decline to 20p/e?? I'm not sure what the implications of your statement are
AFAIK if they grow 0% per year and lose 0% per year, it just means you have to wait 100 years to get all that money back (in a weird way of putting it)
AFAIK if they grow 0% per year and lose 0% per year, it just means you have to wait 100 years to get all that money back (in a weird way of putting it)
The worry is that they won't get even close to seeing that kind of growth in revenue, which is why the stock is dropping. The market believes that their revenue growth will be much less than 25% for the $38 valuation.
All will be revealed on their first earning report. If they hit the numbers that wall street wants (which is code for blowing their estimations out of the water) - there could be a nice bump. If they meet or miss their targets - the stock will drop like a rock.
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So, Facebook worth lots and lots and lots today?
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The sizzle in the Steak
^^ If you and I joined facebook, the stock might go up by a cent or two.