fiatlux

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...ing-next-month

I wonder if dealerships are going to tack on an ADM onto these pre-orders or if they'll let them go for sticker.

loki

Wonder? I wonder if it's going to be under $10K ADM. Anything less will surprise me. People used to blast dealers for marking up Civic Type R $5K...now the Si is $10-15K ADM. Craziest part - POEPLE ARE PAYING IT! Yes..$50K for a 1.5 Civic. There's no scenario where this car isn't blasted to $55-60K. Honda is the WORST company when it comes to not giving a shit about dealer gouging. Chevy, Dodge, Ford, etc. - they all punish their dealers who mark up by not giving them allocations on hot cars next time around.

Honda?

ESHBG

Yeah unfortunately I agree and this is all so disappointing.

Chargersix

My first car was a 1979 Mazda RX-7 that I ordered without ever seeing one in person or driving. Great car. I have since purchased a couple cars based on taking a whimsical test drive - 1991 300ZX and 2003 and 2013 Miatas. Don’t think I would ever purchase a car again without a test drive. And only time will tell how long it will be before Acura has an Integra you can actually test drive. May happen in large markets far sooner than small.

NwTSXmt

ADM on a 200hp sedan from Acura...lmmfao...OK

MarcoTLX

Exactly!!

yeah if it's blasted to that kind of price then one would just get the TLX Type-S at that point. But suggested retail price points to starting at $30k I don't forsee any ADM if anything maybe 1-2k over sticker right now cause there's some hype around it but for the most part this will be a MSRP seller lol

fiatlux

Reserves yours now and Acura will give you a free NFT!

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023...s-order-guide/

It's not April Fools. Feels like they're just grasping at straws here at this point...

cruiserchuck

I had a 94 Integra back in the day, and like what I see so far about the new Integra. It looks like a smaller version of the TLX. If I were in the market for a small sedan, this would be my first choice.

fiatlux

Ironically, the interior is likely bigger than the TLX, since the cabin space of the Civic it's based on is considerably larger than the TLX.

ESHBG

According to the below it looks like unfortunately you can only get the manual on the highest trim. Speculation puts that around $40K and financially it will make no sense to buy this over a Civic. Bizarre stuff! https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cne...fficial-debut/

cruiserchuck

The official press release shows the 6 speed manual as available under A-Spec. It does not break it down between A-Spec vs. A-Spec with tech, so I assumed it was available with either. I doubt there will be huge demand for the manual. When I bought a TSX in 2003, I was not too impressed with the 6 speed manual on a test drive.

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...new-generation

ESHBG

There is no A-Spec without Tech and the Tech has to be added to get the A-Spec.

fiatlux

According to the reservation site, there's A-Spec, Aspec+Tech with the CVT, and A-Spec+Tech with 6MT. There's no tech without A-Spec, but definitely A-Spec without Tech. Not sure why the base model isn't showing up, but there's supposed to be a base too.
https://www.acura.com/tools/reserve-...Series=integra

cruiserchuck

The reservation page on Acura's website states: "Limited colors are available for reservation as shown. More colors and options will be available at launch." I believe this may answer the question as to why no base model, and so few color combinations/options are available.

ESHBG

Ah okay. Then my guess is that the A-Spec is actually going to be the Base model and where the packages start, at least for now. Odd but would make sense from a cost efficiency standpoint and just driving the point home that this is a sporty car.

DJ Iceman

And the 500 pre-orders are apparently gone: https://fb.watch/bGpLzPYvvn/

cruiserchuck

To me, that would be a good thing. I was showing pictures of the new Integra to my wife. She told me that if I want one, she would be more than happy to take the 2022 NX 350h that we bought last week, and let me drive the Integra.

ESHBG

Maybe you'll also get free maintenance thrown in?

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/03/ac...eaked-doc/amp/

MarcoTLX

Apparently this is across all 2023 models and if this turns out to be true it might be worth delaying my TLX purchase

Tony Pac

People like or dislike it, just due to the price this car will be one of the best sellers in the segment. If ILX was selling well with an old engine and outdated interior and exterior design. the new Integra looks really good, I think it looks even better than the TLX.

Legend2TL

I have a feeling the Integra will resonant well in the 20's-30's crowd, I had no idea the oudated ILX was selling so well in it's market segment until that AoA preview for the Integra. Curious how the 6MT will sell.

JM2010 SH-AWD

I think they'll sell as many of these as they can make. Nice looking, good price, nice features for the price.

Tony Pac

I follow sales numbers and believe me, the ILX sells extremely well. One of the reasons Acura kept it so long, I think it was one of the most profitable cars in their lineup. The R&D cost was covered and it was pretty much all profit The new Integra looks freaking good.

ESHBG

It was touched on why it sells so well in this thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/acura-i...-998441/page2/

I am not knocking the ILX and it did well for what it is but it's not as simple as it's a good seller so must be a great car, it was more about it being a great bargain for the segment; but you won't be seeing the same with the Integra (especially at first) so it's not going to be the same comparison.

fiatlux

A parallel for this is the TLX. 1G TLX sold pretty well, but a lot of that was due to the cheaper 2.4L option that was a great deal compared to the competition for folks who just wanted basic transportation. The 2G sales figures (even before the supply constraints) didn't come close to touching it because the price of admission went up so much. I do think the CVT Integra will sell pretty well, but even though it's going to be a much superior car compared to the ILX, I don't think it's going to sell quite as well as the ILX did.

DaIll1

Why do you say much superior to the ILX? It has the 1.5l turbo that is known to have dilution issues and a CVT unless you buy a top model to get a manual. In my eyes, it's a bigger, heavier ILX with a crap drive train and still has McFearsom struts. They are selling the reputation of a name.

fiatlux

The 11G Civic is far far far superior to the 9G Civic. The ILX is barely better than the 9G Civic; honestly if you closed your eyes and rode in it, you'd think they're the same. Seeing as how the Integra will be based on the 11G Civic, it's probably safe to say it's going to be much better than the outgoing ILX. The ILX has no business even being labeled a premium car; honestly the 10G Civic feels more refined and "luxurious" than the ILX.

ESHBG

Acura: 70% of Integra Reservation Holders want Manual Transmission

https://www.motor1.com/news/574287/a...s-want-manual/

Barbecue Tech Tips

I wonder how many pre-orders they have now? If they got over 500 on day one, would it be crazy to believe they are at a few thousand now?

https://www.integratalk.com/threads/...king-list.117/

Tony Pac

I drove ILX one for 10-15 minutes and it wasn't special at all. But I cannot judge a car in 10-15minutes,. So based on fiatlux input, it wasn't a great vehicle and yet it sold well IMHO.

Now imagine what damage will the new Integra will do to BMW, Audi and MB Definitely it will have smoother ride, better quality material, amazing design and of course if the Type S comes, then cherry on top. Let's wait and see!

JM2010 SH-AWD

I'm hearing cars on the lot (ASpec/Tech) in June from my dealer. Anyone heard anything different?

Tony Pac

I think you heard it right. My contact told me end of spring, beginning of Summer! Super excited for the Integra as the new Civic Si is an amazing machine and this little car can do magic for Acura!

DaIll1

Magic? You mean like disappear? 1.5 L with a CVT, POOF.

Tony Pac

Here you go! another true enthusiast here, who wants to make Acura great again!

DaIll1

I actually currently drive and have owned several Acuras, I'm just starting to feel like they are whoring the name.The original was special.

JM2010 SH-AWD

We owned two Gen2 Integras, both LS coupes. They weren't fast, but they were fun to drive with a great engine note on the VTEC switchover. They both had beautiful paint finishes for the price range, nice and comfortable interiors and lots of nice little features. They were good-looking, fun to drive and got very good mileage for the day.

I see the new Integra as carrying over these same traits, at least based on the excellent reviews of the '22 Civic SI. High 30s MPG, nice engine note, 6MT, lots of carrying space with the hatchback, good handling and nice styling for the mid-30s? I think this will be a big winner for Acura. Assuming it drives as well as reviewers of the SI say, we hope to have one in our garage this year.

fiatlux

I don’t doubt it’ll be a great car, but I don’t think the 6MT is going to be a sales hit. The problem is that you can only get it in the top trim, making it the unloved middle child. You can save $7K by getting the Si, or pay maybe $5K more for the CTR, or maybe a little bit more than that for the ITS. Enthusiasts are less likely to go for the compromise; they’ll either go for the stripper model or the full fat performance model.

Legend2TL

Girlfriend (later wife) had a 1G 1986 Integra LS 5D 5MT she bought new out of college. Fun little car, and as you noted got good mileage as well. We kept it for 18 years and mostly troublefree 240K miles.
https://acurazine.com/forums/acura-i.../#post16755453

Agree with your assessment the new Integra carrying over the traits of the previous models and will be a success for Acura esspecially with how well executed the 11G Civic it's based on turned out. I'm curious how the chassis tuning will distinguish it from the Civic, and when a Type-S or Type-R will be released.

Tony Pac

I have said it before, the issue is most people don't know anything about Integra. When they hear Integra's name, they think it was a 500HP and it was competing against 911 And they start by saying why 5 doors...lol!

The reality is the Integra was a very simple car with amazing handling and reasonable cost. At the end of the day, it was a fancy Civic. So, let's stop saying Integra is this and that of you have no clue about Integra.

JM2010 SH-AWD

Admittedly this car won't be for everyone, but from my perspective, it looks like a clear home run.