nothome17

Will Acura slap on the CTR powertrain or a de-tuned version?

Or will they go cheap and use the Si's powertrain?

juniorbean

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Moving this to the ILX section. It would get torn apart in Car Talk, so at least in here you'll have a shot at a good discussion

TacoBello

Hopefully, they use both. The Si powertrain for the base models. The detuned CTR powertrain for the Type S.

Also, the beauty of both being turbo, they can really play with the tuning as they like, to get out of the powertrain what they want.

nothome17

Makes sense since they did go with the 2.0 160 HP Automatic and 2.4 Manual on the higher model ILX. Will see if they do it again,1.5T and 2.0T

I was expecting a detuned CTR powertrain on the Si actually but I was wrong.

justnspace

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i think we all were.
disappointed with the cap of 205 hp

nothome17

i know right, been at 205 hp for awhile.

Haven't really looked at the torque but maybe that went up instead. So if it did go up then that kinda answered some complaints.

RDX10

I am not surprised they never used the CTR engine on the SI, it would be self canabollism if they did that. I think the 1.5T and manual combo on the SI is good enough for that trim level.

Now in terms of the ILX getting the CTR powertrain, I don't see that happening either. The ILX is intended to be a budget near-premium car. Putting in that power train would add a few grand too much to the price tag and I don't think Acura thinks they can do that. I do however think the CTR powertrain will get put into the TLX instead of the V6 and an even more powerful setup for the top TLX's will be available. Acura just doesn't really care about the ILX (I get that impression and could be 100% wrong on that). Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the ILX gets the axe and they introduce something else.

TacoBello

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You're nuts. Or you are new to Honda.

That has ALWAYS been their M.O.

They also want to keep a good amount of seperation between the Si and Type R. And honestly, I'm sure for 2000 bucks, you can gain like 50hp with the new Si. It will still be faster than the previous Si, stock for stock, so I'm not sure why you're complaining.

TacoBello

2016 Civic Si: 205hp @7000 rpm, 174lbft @ 4400rpm

2017 Civic Si: 205hp @ 5700 rpm, 192lbft @ 2100-5000rpm

plus, I thought they were saying this generation of civic, although bigger, is lighter than the last gen. That will help a bit too. Overall, this car will be a few tenths faster.

TacoBello

Also, one last thing regarding the Si (and likely the ILX): the reported numbers on the regular 1.5T have already been confirmed to be BS, and that the car actually makes more power than claimed. I bet the new Si (and likely ILX) will make more HP than the claimed 205hp. Just wait for the stock dyno videos to come out, in due time!

DaIll1

I don't know, when I ordered my spare tire kit I made a comment to the parts manager about ordering the head and supporting parts from the CTR when they are available, he looked at me like I told him his 14 yo daughter was hot.

Triscuit

I wonder if Acura plans on going the 1.5T route. I guess we will find out with the new TLX. That has a mid model refresh coming up this year for the 18' model.

hughbroome2

I reckon that we will see the Acura CDX's powertrain, which is the 1.5T (182 hp and 177 lb-ft) and 8 DCT in the new ILX. That powertrain is almost a guarantee. I'm hoping we can get the 2.0T in the ILX-S, but I am guessing that everyone else is correct. They will save the 2.0T for the TLX and RDX.

iutodd

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Just thought I'd add this to the discussion - I'm going to be completely shocked if the next-gen ILX doesn't get a 2.0T.

Nedmundo

I bet it will be the Civic Si's 1.5T for the base FWD ILX, and a detuned 2.0T for an AWD version whether designated Type-S or not. The 1.5T would probably work beautifully with the current 8DCT, but I recall reading that the 8DCT can't handle more than 200 lb.-ft. of torque, so I wonder what they'd use with a 2.0T. I'm assuming we're not getting any more manual transmissions in Acuras, but I'd be thrilled to be wrong about that!

jrasero

One the manual is dead

Knowing Honda the base ILX will be a DCT Civic Si

I have my doubts about Acura adopting the CTR as a Type R variant, it wouldn't surprise me if we just got the Civic Si. I can see good old Gary fighting for the CTR but Honda saying how it will effect the TLX or the Cvic...

hughbroome2

The Civic SI 1.5T produces 192 lb.-ft of torque. Do you think that is too close to the 200 lb.-ft cutoff on the 8DCT for Honda's reliability standards?

TacoBello

No. If the cutoff is 200lbft, I'm of the belief it can handle 200lbft without issue. There likely is also a factor of safety in that number. Honda is all about their safety factors.