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considering replacing my old 65" Mitsubishi 1080 DLP (WD65C9) (rear projection) with a new TV
question is do i replace with higher quality 4k 65" which will not fill the space where my old TV is thus making it look smaller, but is greater quality [the older TVs had more bezel and base]
ie like the Samsung 65" 240hz at Best Buy for $1,999 (regular price 3,299)
• Model: UN65JS8500FXZA
• 2160p resolution 3D
• Motion Rate 240
• $1,999.99 On Sale Save $1,300 (Reg. $3,299.99)
• 35.1 x 57.7
or go bigger with the Vizio 70" 4k for $1,899 which will fill in the space nicely!
• Model: M70-C3
• 2160p resolution
• Clear Action 720
• Smart TV, VIZIO Internet Apps Plus
• $1,899.99 On Sale Save $300 (Reg. $2,199.99)
• 38.2 x 61.6
FWIW, I bought a 42" Vizio last year (M series 1080P) and like it better than I thought I would. Assuming it doesn't die I would buy another Vizio. Good bang for the buck.
considering replacing my old 65" Mitsubishi 1080 DLP (WD65C9) (rear projection) with a new TV
question is do i replace with higher quality 4k 65" which will not fill the space where my old TV is thus making it look smaller, but is greater quality [the older TVs had more bezel and base]
Depends.
I have yet to replace my 2 (720p Vizio and 1080p Panasonic) plasmas. Great color quality/accuracy and black levels vs many of the flat screen tv's out there.
4k resolution televisions are now widely available and potential buyers are wondering if the extra resolution is worth it. In some cases it is, but in most, it’s not.
Will I be Able to Notice the Additional Resolution?
To be able to detect the additional resolution of 4k (or 8k), the screen must be quite large and you must sit fairly close. So how do you know if your particular setup would benefit? Here’s your answer.
Based on the resolving ability of the human eye, it is possible to estimate when 4k resolution will become apparent. A person with 20/20 vision can resolve 60 pixels per degree, which corresponds to recognizing the letter “E” on the 20/20 line of a Snellen eye chart from 20 feet away. Using the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet as a base, I created a chart showing, for any given screen size, how close you need to sit to be able to detect some or all of the benefits of a higher resolution screen.
What the chart shows is that, for a 84-inch screen, 4k resolution isn’t fully apparent until you are at least 5.5 feet or closer to the screen. For a “tiny” 55-inch screen, you’ll need to be 3.5 feet or closer. Needless to say, most consumers aren’t going to sit close enough to see any of extra resolution 4k offers, much less 8k.
Verification of Calculations by Sony and THX
Sony lists identical required viewing distances in the Frequently Asked Questions section of their product description. It shows the same distances I have calculated (i.e. 3.6 feet for a 55″ screen and 4.2 feet for a 65″ screen.) If you don’t believe my numbers, confirmation from Sony should help convince you.
Quote from Sony FAQ:
How close to the TV must I sit to appreciate 4K?
The short answer is that between 5 and 6 ft. is the ideal viewing distance for a 55” or 65” Sony 4K Ultra HD TV. However, on a 55“, you can now sit as close as 3.6 ft and enjoy a visibly smoother and more detailed picture (e.g you won’t see the individual pixels). On a 65“ TV, you can sit as close as 4.2 ft. to appreciate 4K.
Can you even get 4k and 8k Content?
If you are among the rare few who has a giant screen and sits close enough to it to benefit from 4k resolution, you still need UHD content. Good luck finding it. Here’s a summary of your options:
Ultra-HD Blu-ray players and discs are available starting in late 2015. This will be the highest-quality offering, with bitrates of up to 128 Mbps, giving the highest quality audio and video possible. Though discs don’t offer the convenience of streaming, it will be the best source of 4k video in 2016, and will likely remain ahead of online stream options for years to come. But players and title available will remain limited at least through the end of 2016.
Video download boxes such as the Sony FMP-X1 4K Ultra HD Media Player and the FMP-X10 4k Ultra HD Media Player support 4k. These devices download a limited set of movies from Sony Pictures in 4k resolution to an internal hard drive. Due to the limited amount of content, high price, and low adoption rate, this would seem to have only marginal impact on availability of UHD content.
The built-in Netflix and/or Amazon Prime Video apps on most 4k smart TVs will play 4k for the few titles they stream in that format. The bit rate is only about 16 Mbps, compared to 48 Mbps for 1080p Blu-ray. What this means is that picture and sound quality are sacrificed in other ways (color depth, contrast ratio, frame rate) to achieve the 4k resolution, so don’t expect perfection.
The Microsoft Xbox One and Sony Playstation 4 have hardware capable of 4k resolutions. Steaming video apps such as Netflix will be able to play 4K on these platforms. However, neither platform has enough processing power to render video games in 4k.
The Sony PlayStation 3 can display static 4k pictures (not moving video) using the HDMI 1.4 connection at 24 or 30 Hz refresh rate. This may be worthwhile for photographers, but probably not for anyone else.
Cable and Satellite: Cable and satellite companies are offering some 4k content on their new boxes. The quality is better than their 1080p channels, but it’s still highly compressed as compared even Blu-ray, and substantially lower than Ultra HD Blu-ray, and is generally comparable in quality to streaming services.
Amazon 4k Fire TV: A good option for Amazon Prime subscribers who watch a lot of Amazon Prime Video
In conclusion
The benefits of 4k and 8k are marginal at best. You have to sit unrealistically close to see the full detail and you need 4k source material, which is not readily available. If you use a 4k display as a computer monitor to view high resolution source material, you could benefit. Other than that, save your cash and purchase 1080p instead.
Take a look at the Sony XBR65X850C.
Best 4K up scaling engine.
Agreed there isn't much 4K content but the ability to render content in 4K is very nice.
Watch NFL football in 4K. It's amazing.
I'm picking one up hopefully in the next few weeks. Just waiting for prices to drop a bit.
Vizio has come a long way, but I'm still a Samsung fan. We have the curved 65" and the 60" in our house (along with some other smaller ones). We also just put a 65" (non-curved) in our beach house and it too is amazing. I also happen to have a Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge phone, so using that on the TVs is great as well.
So my recommendation would always be for Samsung. I do like Sony as well (have a 55" LCD in our bonus room that is about 4 years old, but still looks amazing).
In November I bought the Samsung UN55JS8500 and caught it on sale at BestBuy for $1499.99. It's simply the best TV we have ever owned. Seeing you are looking at the same TV 10" bigger, I would highly reccommend it.
Yeah OP needs to look at 1080p.....4K is a pure marketing gimmick and it's basically placebo effect as most shows are not in 4K and as noted, evidence shows virtual inability to detect diff at this time
• Sony Model: KDL75W850C
• 1080p resolution
• Refresh Rate: 120Hz
• $2,099.99 On Sale Save $400 (Reg. $2,499.99)
• 40" x 66" the opening i have is 43" x 68" this would fit nicely!
• Samsung Model: UN75J6300AFXZA
• 1080p resolution
• Refresh Rate: 120Hz
• $1,999.99 On Sale Save $500 (Reg. $2,499.99)
• 41.2" x 66" opening i have is 43" x 68" even nicer fit, even 2" around
I agree about Vizio. I was (and guess I still am) a Samsung fanboi, but it was just too rich for my blood when I last bought a TV. Ended up with a 55" Vizio for $600 off eBay (I think it was stolen in Chicago), and I've been blown away by it. You can easily see how far we've come from DVDs, and Blue-Rays are outstanding. I don't know how you could see more.
After spending 2 months researching this exact catagory for my parents, 65in TV for 2k or less I came to the conclusion of two TVs in this price range. The Sony 850C and the Samsung JS8500. They went with the JS8500 but I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
The biggest advantage of the Vizio TV's is that all of their 4K models feature local dimming and the larger ones have 32 zones of local dimming. There aren't any other TV's in that price range that have that one critical feature. 4K or not is irrelevant (as said before) but local dimming makes a substantial performance and picture quality difference. You have to pony up for a high end Sony or Samsung before you get that feature in their models.
Take a look at the Sony XBR65X850C.
Best 4K up scaling engine.
Agreed there isn't much 4K content but the ability to render content in 4K is very nice.
Watch NFL football in 4K. It's amazing.
I'm picking one up hopefully in the next few weeks. Just waiting for prices to drop a bit.
If you're a Costco member or knows someone who is, they're going to have the non-curved version (model # UN65KS800DFXZA) on sale for $1,479.99 from Nov. 18-28. It looks to be the same as UN65KS8000FXZA that Best Buy sells for $1,699.99. The curved model you posted above will be on sale for $1,579.99.
Costco Bonus:
* 2 yr warranty vs 1 yr
* 9 month of free HBO Now
Curved TV's are for the ballin out of control $40k/yr millionaires. Buy a normal TV like a normal person.
I just bought a 65" Sony XBR930D and love it. The Vizio P series 65" can be had for ~$2k and it rocks, I got my Sony for $2300.
Originally Posted by AZuser
Not a fan of curved displays.
If you're a Costco member or knows someone who is, they're going to have the non-curved version (model # UN65KS800DFXZA) on sale for $1,479.99 from Nov. 18-28. It looks to be the same as UN65KS8000FXZA that Best Buy sells for $1,699.99. The curved model you posted above will be on sale for $1,579.99.
Costco Bonus:
* 2 yr warranty vs 1 yr
* 9 month of free HBO Now
I'm an idiot... I linked the wrong TV. I don't want to have anything to do with a curved TV or any TV that supports 3D. Not a big fan of either at all.
If you're a Costco member or knows someone who is, they're going to have the non-curved version (model # UN65KS800DFXZA) on sale for $1,479.99 from Nov. 18-28. It looks to be the same as UN65KS8000FXZA that Best Buy sells for $1,699.99. The curved model you posted above will be on sale for $1,579.99.
Costco Bonus:
* 2 yr warranty vs 1 yr
* 9 month of free HBO Now
Any preference between the two of them? I don't know jack about TVs except for that fact that most people agree Sony's give the best picture quality (also more expensive).
Are Visio and Samsung pretty close in terms of picture, quality, etc.?
I'm an idiot... I linked the wrong TV. I don't want to have anything to do with a curved TV or any TV that supports 3D. Not a big fan of either at all.
Cause you HAVE to watch 3D on a 3D tv all of the time?
Any preference between the two of them? I don't know jack about TVs except for that fact that most people agree Sony's give the best picture quality (also more expensive).
Are Visio and Samsung pretty close in terms of picture, quality, etc.?
Samsung will give you petter PQ, but their sets are funky. Samsung offers terrible service, Vizio offers none. Out of warranty Vizio means replace the TV. That is fine if you are spending $300, but if you are dropping over a grand, that is something to consider. Sony offers the best quality picture combined with better service (not great but better than the alternatives). As someone who sells these things, I would recommend spending a little bit extra to get the better quality and support.
I assumed there would be an up charge for having 3D capability. I can't imagine why they would offer a feature free of charge.
There is no upcharge for 3D. They bundle features into TV's now. Its the way it is. I would like to get a TV with great PQ, superior contrast ratio, the latest in resolution format, and no smart functions, no gimmicky 3D, absolutely no curved display, and I would sell the shit out of it. That's just not the way the manufacturers work. Good luck getting a non smart TV now. Pay for the best picture quality you can afford. Pay attention to the manufacturers that offer the best support, as everything made these days uses cheap parts to bring the price down to what the market now demands. Don't pay attention to the stuff that is tossed in as an extra, it is not possible to avoid this stuff on quality, higher end sets.
Samsung will give you petter PQ, but their sets are funky. Samsung offers terrible service, Vizio offers none. Out of warranty Vizio means replace the TV. That is fine if you are spending $300, but if you are dropping over a grand, that is something to consider. Sony offers the best quality picture combined with better service (not great but better than the alternatives). As someone who sells these things, I would recommend spending a little bit extra to get the better quality and support.
Originally Posted by 2001AudiS4
There is no upcharge for 3D. They bundle features into TV's now. Its the way it is. I would like to get a TV with great PQ, superior contrast ratio, the latest in resolution format, and no smart functions, no gimmicky 3D, absolutely no curved display, and I would sell the shit out of it. That's just not the way the manufacturers work. Good luck getting a non smart TV now. Pay for the best picture quality you can afford. Pay attention to the manufacturers that offer the best support, as everything made these days uses cheap parts to bring the price down to what the market now demands. Don't pay attention to the stuff that is tossed in as an extra, it is not possible to avoid this stuff on quality, higher end sets.
There is no upcharge for 3D. They bundle features into TV's now. Its the way it is. I would like to get a TV with great PQ, superior contrast ratio, the latest in resolution format, and no smart functions, no gimmicky 3D, absolutely no curved display, and I would sell the shit out of it. That's just not the way the manufacturers work. Good luck getting a non smart TV now. Pay for the best picture quality you can afford. Pay attention to the manufacturers that offer the best support, as everything made these days uses cheap parts to bring the price down to what the market now demands. Don't pay attention to the stuff that is tossed in as an extra, it is not possible to avoid this stuff on quality, higher end sets.
I agree 10000% Fuck smart features. We all have or can get connectable devices for those features (PS4, Xbox, AppleTV, Roku, etc etc). 3D, curved, MEH. I want top notch PQ and since the top 4k TV's tout amazing HDR processing, I want to know which are the best.
I assumed there would be an up charge for having 3D capability. I can't imagine why they would offer a feature free of charge.
My Sony is 3D capable but they don't even advertise it because no one cares. I don't ever plan on utilizing that feature.
Originally Posted by Doom878
I agree 10000% Fuck smart features. We all have or can get connectable devices for those features (PS4, Xbox, AppleTV, Roku, etc etc). 3D, curved, MEH. I want top notch PQ and since the top 4k TV's tout amazing HDR processing, I want to know which are the best.
There are some situations where it's worthwhile. Sony and Vizio use Android TV and Google Cast (respectively) which is FAR FAR better than any of the proprietary BS smart features other makes use. It's updated far more often and you can control most of it through your phone and Google Cast. It was the biggest reason I went with Sony instead of Samsung.
What is good about those smart features? They actually update their apps is a good thing though.
What's good is that they aren't proprietary to either manufacturer and they use apps instead of built in firmware. It's FAR easier to update an app that it is to update firmware. Also, all the software development is done by Google, not Sony, and you can use your phone to cast anything to the screen (works best if you run Android). With Vizio, they have the same mindset except they don't actually run Google software, just a version of it.
That's sort of how i feel about 'smart TV's' I have a Chromecast and that does everything I need.. I really don't need a poorly implemented Smart TV which will eventually get out of date because Samsung, etc. decides they don't want to update it anymore..
That's sort of how i feel about 'smart TV's' I have a Chromecast and that does everything I need.. I really don't need a poorly implemented Smart TV which will eventually get out of date because Samsung, etc. decides they don't want to update it anymore..
Right and AndroidTV has cast built in so you don't need another dongle for that TV. It can also download apps from the Play Store just like your phone. I love it, one of the best implementations of TV software I've ever come across.
Originally Posted by justnspace
thats why Samsung SUCKS!
Sony has the right idea using Google's Android TV.
Google updates the software pretty frequently!!!
Samsung makes good TV's but their software leaves a lot to be desired. If you just use a third party streaming device, it doesn't really matter. AndroidTV just makes it so you don't have to. Also, it can stream 4K content internally and transmit the audio out to your external system if desired.
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