gavriil

It is possible sure. But the question to the above is: Why not follow the most efficient way to LOOK GOOD?

Look good to most people simply means this: As much little fat as possible while including as much of muscle mass as possible. And I am not talking about Mr. Olympia levels here.

So, if that's your goal, to look good, then the most efficient way of doing it is described above, in my posts.

If you dont have time and you're impatient, then you can do what Adam (rather that company and many others) suggested with the so called 12 week programs of magic and mystique Sorry.


Most people hate cardio. WHat I did was added a sport. The drills for that sport make up for the cardio I dont do on the treadmill. It's important to keep it interesting. Otherwise people quit as we all know.

By the way, if I am gonna run to do cardio (because you dont necessarily have to i order to achieve the cardio exerciese benefits), I always avoid running on the treadmill. It's like using the smith press machine instead of the cage with olympic bars and free weights. WAY better if you can actually run on the court or grass.


Wow!

Give me some details of both. DO you deadlift and or squat and how much weight on the max sets?

What supplements and when?



See above. Absolutely it can. Just stop drinking water for three days and there you go. That's one way of many of course.

Man, I am tired of all the magical claims companies that have as their sole interest to make money off of you, have made (through real people). I am not doubting them, but all of us should stop looking at a 12 week program. It's like buying mutual funds in a 401K. It's a LONG term process. The longer the term, the better your chances of success.

Adam_Schwartz

It has nothing to do with being impatient - it has everything to do with efficient use of time and doing a challenge. Why lose fat in 24 weeks when one can do it safely in 12?

I will say YOU DON'T have to do what I am doing in 12-weeks to gain a good physique or be healthy. You can go at your own rate. I aplogize if I implied the only way to lose bf is to follow a 12-week program because that is not the case. One can take 12 weeks or 12 months if they prefer. I am doing something to push myself.


Yes, variety is the spice of life. Agreed. I like my elliptical because it's easier on my knees. No running for me. Biking is fun too and you actually go somewhere (a la Dennis Leary)


Don't truly know my 1RM on those - they are the staple of my lifting routine, that I can tell you. I can squeeze off 350 lbs x 5 no problem on squat, but I honestly don't do 1RM. So my squat is not super, but not bad. My core strength is my weak point with regard to squats.

My deadlift it much better, I have done 475x5, which is because I am bad and use more back than I really should. Again, I don't know my 1RM. But I do partials, pull ups, good mornings, hyper extensions, stiff leg dead, etc. I feel cheated unless I do bigger moves.

No major supplements, except flax oil, vitamins, l-glut, MRPs and glucosamine. It may be closer to 4 yrs that I have been lifting. I began at a gym that had many PLs in it, so I learned to lift like a PL.

This has nothing to do with a company selling anything. I am not buying anything for this from any company. It's not some marketing gimmic. That's all I can say.

I want to close by saying that I think some of what I have said has been misconstrued - I am not trying to imply that we can all have Ahnold bodies in 12 weeks. It's a long journey to add muscle and lose fat - it takes some people many, many years to achieve. I have added the muscle and now it's time to lose the fat.

I am just doing something different. After you lift for so many years a good challenge is good for the soul. I could take longer to do this, but I would rather have some fun and push myself a little.

Adam_Schwartz

BTW, Keith Klein and Lee Labrada have that site as a place for people to get knowledge about lifting and health. Does he sell products? Yes! But he offers advice, tips and programs free of charge. It's ok to make a buck, esp if what you sell is a good product.

Pull_T

I agree with Adam Schwartzsteingold.

Robbdogg

If you know what you are actually doing, you can gain muscle and lose fat.
Some of the replys in here are and make me laugh.

Pull_T

Hi wrab!

Pull_T

What does everyone think about lard as a fat-burner? A buddy of mine said that since there is so much fat in lard, that it will actually help prevent the other fat you eat from adhering to your body. Make sense to me, if I take 8 oz of lard (mixed in juice) twice a day like he says, then it really won't matter how much bacon or burgers I eat throughout the day, my fat receptors will already be clogged.

Doc.Booty

Because filling your body with as much fat as it can handle is a good idea

Slap your friend for me.

Pull_T

Well, think about it logically.

If you do the lard supplementation you can eat whatever the hell you want and not gain weight. I know some people strive for more, but that's not a bad deal for beginners.

And I will not slap my freind, he knows his shit. He benched like 185 the other day without even bouncing it much.

gavriil

MILK (whole or not) has sugar. What whole milk has that other types of mild do not is fat. But:

1. Milk, unlike what you said, it not LOADED with sugar. You make it sound like it's a Mars bar

2. Both whole and low fat milk have about the same amount of sugar. The fat is the difference.

3. Whole milk is recommended during lifting periods due to the fact that you need the types of fat in that whole milk

4. But also because you need the "millions" of different types of so needed nutrients that milk has, that's why I said, no way cutting down on milk. And if anything make it whole milk due to the added benefits.


You make it sound like milk is mars again. There are things in milk you need that you dont get from poultry and the rest you mentioned. Variety is key for any good results that will last long. No banned foods. Principle.

Sugar is NEVER a good idea when one is trying to lose body fat - that is fact.

Of course they do. As I said above, you need to get into a maintenance lifting session when you get aggressive with your diet.

Because when you force people to ban foods, it gets discouraging to them. The main reason is that it's not necessary to ban any food when trying to lose weight.

Doc.Booty

You think that 8 ounces of PURE FAT won't hurt you at all?

Please tell me you're joking. Please tell me this was just a clever troll that i fell for.

Pull_T

I can assure you it was not a clever troll by any means.

Doc.Booty

From the sound of it, your friend isn't as smart as he thinks.

Do you understand why i think injesting 8 onces of lard is a bad idea?

Also, 185 pounds on the bench isn't that impressive, ESPECIALLY if he bounces it. Any bounce is indicitive of horrible form. Nobody worth 2 cents in the gym is going to bounce the weight off their chest on the bench. I could double my max bench tonight if i wanted to, all i have to do is use really shitty form.

Pull_T

Re-read what I wrote above...and emphasize the word "clever"

Doc.Booty

bastard

I even considered that, and then thought "no... he wouldn't be that much of an ass."

rise

you guys fell for it hahaha

SimmaDown

Mars bar > milk

Faulty

Jack LaLanne "Godfather of Fitness"

Should people consume fewer dairy products?

JL: I'm not a suckling calf. Name me one creature on this earth who uses milk after they wean - except man. Why do you think so many people are fat and have heart attacks? Butter, cream, cheese, all that fat, fat, fat. You can have a little skim milk once in a while. But they've got these athletes prostituting their souls by posing with milk mustaches. Those athletes should be selling something that is going to be beneficial, not detrimental, to kids.

A little skim milk once in a while is not going to hurt you. It isn't what you do once in a while that's a problem; it's what you do all the time. Look at the average American diet: ice cream, butter, cheese, whole milk, all this fat. People don't realize how much of this stuff you get by the end of the day. High blood pressure is from all this high-fat eating. Do you know how many calories are in butter and cheese and ice cream? Would you get your dog up in the morning for a cup of coffee and a donut? Probably millions of Americans got up this morning with a cup of coffee, a cigarette and a donut. No wonder they are sick and fouled up.

gavriil

I would not call it dangerous but I would certainly call it:

1. Not the healthiest way to lose fat and
2. Not the best way to keep the fat off.

Pull_T

gavrill...Adam Schwartz...

Post pics of yourselves so we can see who has a physique to back up the rhetoric....oiled up or not, either way is fine.

GoDucksCLSPride

except we can do without the "oiled up" part

nicholbr

drop the lotion and put back the kleenex, this is neither the time nor the place.

JJ4Short

can someone tell me the jist of these 2 peoples arguments...way too much to read

SimmaDown

This is getting verrrrrrrry interesting.

gavriil

Because the weight that came off in a few weeks, has very few chances of staying off.



I did not ask for 1RM. I asked about your overload sets. I dont do 1RMs either. I stay between 3 and 5 reps as overload set/s.


If you mean you do them a lot, then good for you. You're a smart lifter.

That's pretty good for your weight. Three and a half plates is serious weight pretty much for anyone.

I assume this is free weights on a 45 pound Olympic bar, right?

What do you mean?

Wow! This is reall good stuff for a non-professional. I assume. You're a pretty strong guy Adam.

What's a partial?

hyper extensions? You mean back extensions?

Do you do weighted back extensions?

How much on free weight for stiff leg deadlifts? I love those too.

Bigger moves? What do you mean? Compound exercies? If yes, you're right. You are cheated if not. Isolation is not good unlike what most people think.

Flax oil, is that fish oil?

Iglut?? The rest I also dont know much about.

PLs?



See you take yourself as an example which is not a good simily for what I am saying and what most people are like. Most people cant dead lift 50 pounds let alone 475 dude. In other words, by taking yourself as an example, you're helping my argument. You are a senior lifter. So a diet and/or cardio has great chances of success in your case because of the hormonal status in your body right now.


Me neither. I know what you meant.

Well there you go. Now you say what I said before.

Exactly. You're doing exactly what I wrote one should do in previous messages.

gavriil

Let me repeat this one more time:

YES, you can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. But not in the most efficient way. Especially for untrained people which is most of us. If one separated the two the process will be more efficient. A lot more.

gavriil

After reading Adam's latest posts, I dont think we agree more than we disagree on the principles of weight loss.

Faulty

All I know is I've been lifting on and off for about 10 yrs now and never heard of that whole milk argument. I have hard time understanding the other posts.
With all due respect, not sure if I want to take advice from a guy that doesn't even know what partials and flax oil are...

Pull_T

...or L-glut or that PL=powerlifter

gavriil

No problem.

It's just that I am born raised in Europe, so I am little light on the lingo when it comes down to gym talk.

SimmaDown

Yo, mattg, you are 200?


Myself, I need to be the weight I currently am, but lose about 5 pounds of excess.
With my current regimen, I should be where I want by May.

Whiskers

Green Tea for loosing weight??? I hear it speeds metabolism...

Any truth to it?

Whiskers

With all the "fitness experts" here, no one knows???


For shame....

TLover

I've heard green tea is supposed to have a calming effect, so I wouldn't think it would speed up your metabolism. Green tea may help you lose weight because there are some substances in certain types of green tea -- there are many types -- that lower your blood-sugar levels, thereby making you feel less hungry.

Whiskers

Thanks, found some info here.... http://my.webmd.com/search/search_re...bmd_all_filter

Now, my next mission is to find out whether sugar substitutes (spenda, equal, Sweet n Low) cause cavities.....

Doc.Booty

Green tea has caffeine which is a major part of all of those "weight loss" pills. In addition to the anti-oxidants and other goodies in green tea, studies have shown that it causes your body to burn more fat for energy than normal.

A lot of bodybuilders i know recommend it highly, although it's certainly not a "magic" weight-loss pill.

TLover

Green tea contains very little caffeince when compared to coffee and other teas.

Percentage of caffeine in the following beverages:
Coffee- 0.05%
Black tea- 0.05%
Gyokuro- 0.02%
Sencha- 0.015%
Hoji cha- 0.008%
Genmai cha- 0.008%
Hyakunen cha- 0.001%

Green tea contains L-theanine which counters many of the effects of caffeine.

L-theanine is a healthy amino acid that is only found in tea plants and certain mushrooms. L-theanine directly stimulates the production of alpha brain waves which promotes a state of relaxed awareness, it has a calming effect on the body without making one drowsy.

Whiskers

But a glass or two a day is probably a good thing.

Minch00

Man, this is harder than I thought

TypeSKid

I bet that mouth weight 80lbs alone. FATASS!