...got pecs?
06-29-2005, 02:38 AM
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...got pecs?
...so, I found this in another site... I'll admit it... I don't want to take full credit. But this is a video that is VERY informative about the chest workout. By coincident, this takes place at my old gym where I practically grew up... (it used to be Gold's Gym, then it was Powerhouse Gym, then back to Gold's now it's some independent gym... but you can still see the painting on the wall in the back ground). Milos is very knowledgible... though he didn't give any credit to Charles Poliquin-strength coach guru, who he studied under. The video is about 20 minutes long... and it's worth watching... Milos hit me up on training awhile ago... but wanted to charge me something like... $200/session (before I became a tariner), but instead sold me on a training video tape at $30. Anyway, please pay close attention towards the end... or about 15 minutes into the video... he goes into "angles"... which is something a lot of people don't know or understand...
Hope this helps... click below
enjoy:
http://thefitshow.com/week3/milos_chest_large.htm
Hope this helps... click below
enjoy:
http://thefitshow.com/week3/milos_chest_large.htm
06-29-2005, 05:02 AM
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She said: it's GINORMOUS!
chris rock: "when you got a gun, you don't have to work out!"
chris rock: "you got pecs? - i got tecs!"
chris rock: "you got pecs? - i got tecs!"
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06-29-2005, 10:21 PM
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that was some very good info. 
I was going through the motions without weight on all the exercises and I can feel what he is talking about with the different chest muscles being worked.
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Tried this the other day and I can say that my pecs are more sore than they have been in the past postworkout. I could really feel a difference when you do it that guy's way.
07-08-2005, 08:32 PM
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Definitely very informative. Always kinda sucks though when you find out that you're doing things improperly. Time to drop some weight. 
10-11-2005, 07:56 PM
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Im just happy I don't have boobs anymore....
10-11-2005, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Im just happy I don't have boobs anymore....
i still got man tits
working on getting rid of them 
10-12-2005, 01:58 AM
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my friends got pecs that are bigger than some chicks tits 
10-12-2005, 12:22 PM
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I am going to have to disagree on most points with Milos. I mean some basic principles are, in my opinion, wrong. The peak of my disagreement was that when he mentioned that more muscle fibers are engaged with machines as opposed to free weights. Obviously there is a marketing, business related agneda hidden behind his "secrets" here. He basically promotes isolation is a good thing, which in my opinio, is completely wrong.
10-12-2005, 01:17 PM
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I am going to have to disagree on most points with Milos. I mean some basic principles are, in my opinion, wrong. The peak of my disagreement was that when he mentioned that more muscle fibers are engaged with machines as opposed to free weights. Obviously there is a marketing, business related agneda hidden behind his "secrets" here. He basically promotes isolation is a good thing, which in my opinio, is completely wrong.
10-12-2005, 02:27 PM
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I have to say you are the oddest body builder I have ever seen. I lifted today with a guy who is 260 and can bench 500 4 times he said basically the same exact shit. Actually all the big guys I have lifted with have said the same thing.
who are you agreeing with? Milo or gav?
10-12-2005, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I am going to have to disagree on most points with Milos. I mean some basic principles are, in my opinion, wrong. The peak of my disagreement was that when he mentioned that more muscle fibers are engaged with machines as opposed to free weights. Obviously there is a marketing, business related agneda hidden behind his "secrets" here. He basically promotes isolation is a good thing, which in my opinio, is completely wrong.
click below to read about Charles Poliquin:
http://www.charlespoliquin.net/
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10-12-2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusJuice
I have to say you are the oddest body builder I have ever seen. I lifted today with a guy who is 260 and can bench 500 4 times he said basically the same exact shit. Actually all the big guys I have lifted with have said the same thing.
Second, when you say, all these other guys have said the same thing, what thing are you referring to, cos Milos said several things and some were correct, but IMO, as I wrote, most were wrong. Which one or ones have your friends confirmed?
10-12-2005, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
He basically promotes isolation is a good thing, which in my opinio, is completely wrong.
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10-12-2005, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
....well, he studied under Charles Poliquin, whose been called "the Guru" in strength training... I think he'd know a little more than... you? (even though he never gives any credit to Charles in any of his video clips) Charles had done tons and tons of research, and base this "principles" NOT only from researches and studies... but also personal experience AND experience in taking someone from "non pro" status to "Pro"
click below to read about Charles Poliquin:
http://www.charlespoliquin.net/
click below to read about Charles Poliquin:
http://www.charlespoliquin.net/
I dont doubt Milos' knowledge, I doubt how much of his "real" secrets he wants to make public, especially when those secrets are for free.
There is a very specific agenda behind any acclaimed athlete. Usually, if not always, it's attached to money. Saying machines engage more muscle fibers than free weights and promoting isolation-type of lifts, can only intensify one's thoughts about an agenda.
Let me ask you a different way. Do you think that Coleman will come out and share his secrets with us. For free? Even if it were for money, do you think he would?
10-12-2005, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
. Which one or ones have your friends confirmed?
10-12-2005, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Let me ask you a different way. Do you think that Coleman will come out and share his secrets with us. For free? Even if it were for money, do you think he would?
Ronnie Coleman will do anything Joe Weider tells him to do...
..but seriously, I'm NOT sure what the "agenda" is... can you just state it?
10-12-2005, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
I agree with Milos in about 98% of his preaching...
Let me start by asking you this question:
Do you think that machines engage more muscle fibers than free weights?
10-12-2005, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
Ronnie Coleman will do anything Joe Weider tells him to do...
..but seriously, I'm NOT sure what the "agenda" is... can you just state it?
..but seriously, I'm NOT sure what the "agenda" is... can you just state it?
When an athlete with a name in the industry says, machines are good, actually in this case he said better, than free weights, then the demand for machines, in gyms, goes up. Machines are way more expensive to buy and maintain than free weights are, I am sure you are aware.
10-12-2005, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
What do you mean by "core training"?
...like doing stuff with the swiss ball... balancing board... For example... have you ever seen people do biceps curls, while standing on one leg? That's an example of "core" training... you can't really "isolate" as much... but the "balancing act" forces the "core" muscles to "fire",
10-12-2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Sure:
When an athlete with a name in the industry says, machines are good, actually in this case he said better, than free weights, then the demand for machines, in gyms, goes up. Machines are way more expensive to buy and maintain than free weights are, I am sure you are aware.
When an athlete with a name in the industry says, machines are good, actually in this case he said better, than free weights, then the demand for machines, in gyms, goes up. Machines are way more expensive to buy and maintain than free weights are, I am sure you are aware.
...really think that's his "hidden agenda," huh?
10-12-2005, 02:51 PM
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Maybe Milo meant that machines engage more of a specific type of muscle fibers in a specific location? Free weights perhaps engage supporting muscles and thus the targeted muscle group isn't engaged as much?
Not sure, just throwing it out there
Not sure, just throwing it out there
10-12-2005, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rise
Maybe Milo meant that machines engage more of a specific type of muscle fibers in a specific location? Free weights perhaps engage supporting muscles and thus the targeted muscle group isn't engaged as much?
Not sure, just throwing it out there
Not sure, just throwing it out there
I'm thinking he meant something like that... but next time I see him... I'll be sure to ask him...
...so, maybe I'm a little bias...
10-12-2005, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
...like doing stuff with the swiss ball... balancing board... For example... have you ever seen people do biceps curls, while standing on one leg? That's an example of "core" training... you can't really "isolate" as much... but the "balancing act" forces the "core" muscles to "fire",
Whats wrong with core training? My last personal trainer was an advocate of it.
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Originally Posted by is300eater
...like doing stuff with the swiss ball... balancing board... For example... have you ever seen people do biceps curls, while standing on one leg? That's an example of "core" training... you can't really "isolate" as much... but the "balancing act" forces the "core" muscles to "fire",
Absolutely not. I am totally not for core training then, when the goal is: the most effecient way to muscle growth.
Muscles grow by "the right" stimulation, recovery and nutrition.
Milos and most others only talk about the first item. Stimulation. That's what happens in the gym.
When we're talking about stimulation, there are two things that make muscles grow more effeciently than other ways (note, there are other ways to grow muscle, this happens to be the most efficient one):
1. Overload and
2. Intensity
I have written details about the above before in this forum, but the above are the basics of what, I BELIEVE, an athlete, with the goal of growing muscle in the most efficient way, sould follow.
10-12-2005, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
I'm thinking he meant something like that... but next time I see him... I'll be sure to ask him...
...so, maybe I'm a little bias...
...so, maybe I'm a little bias...
10-12-2005, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mantis23
Whats wrong with core training? My last personal trainer was an advocate of it.
Core training is great for certain types of athletes as a complementary type of training, mainly during "off season" or even otherwise, but it's not for bodybuilders with the the above goal.
10-12-2005, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rise
He is pointing out that he may be a bit bias because he appears to be good friends with Milo?