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Old 07-01-2011, 07:21 AM
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Cool TL 2012 Still 4G or really a 5G?

Because there was a design change and a new trany along with other changes shouldn'e the new 2012 TL be considered 5G?

The 2009-2011 model is 4G.
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No.. it's a 4G.. or 4.5G as some call it
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No, its the MMC. With your logic the 3G Type-S is the 4G. The 09-11 TL is the 5G and the 12 is the 6G.
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when the '07 type-s came out, was it called the 4G?

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dammnnnnit ggesq, why'd you have to edit yours.

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MMC - its religion with Honda products. Minor Model Change

You'll see every product line, about 3-4 years into it's life, get a refreshed set of lights, new grille, some exterior appointments, different rims, updated interior, maybe a little bump in power or an enhanced feature model. It's still the same core chassis and vehicle, just refreshed. Generations don't change until it's new chassis time.
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It's a 4G.
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Originally Posted by justnspace
when the '07 type-s came out, was it called the 4G?

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dammnnnnit ggesq, why'd you have to edit yours.
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Ohh ok thanks for the explanation.
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MMC - its religion with Honda products. Minor Model Change

You'll see every product line, about 3-4 years into it's life, get a refreshed set of lights, new grille, some exterior appointments, different rims, updated interior, maybe a little bump in power or an enhanced feature model. It's still the same core chassis and vehicle, just refreshed. Generations don't change until it's new chassis time.
You can be assured, likely next year there will be a TL-S, and amongst other things, they will bring back the quad exhausts that they purposely left off the 12 Tech package.
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You can be assured, likely next year there will be a TL-S, and amongst other things, they will bring back the quad exhausts that they purposely left off the 12 Tech package.
LOL!! And you know this .. because?

Why didn't they do a Type-S already?
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MMC - its religion with Honda products. Minor Model Change

You'll see every product line, about 3-4 years into it's life, get a refreshed set of lights, new grille, some exterior appointments, different rims, updated interior, maybe a little bump in power or an enhanced feature model.
Yes, like the shitty reflectors they glued onto the truck lid of the Accord.
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Originally Posted by BLEXV6
You can be assured, likely next year there will be a TL-S, and amongst other things, they will bring back the quad exhausts that they purposely left off the 12 Tech package.
its just a slight redesign, still holds its main components.

a generation change is like a 2008 to a 2009 model. they dont even look alike..

also, we can all agree that anyone or everyone will take a SH-AWD over a Type-S any day.....
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Originally Posted by BLEXV6
You can be assured, likely next year there will be a TL-S, and amongst other things, they will bring back the quad exhausts that they purposely left off the 12 Tech package.
I sincerely doubt they will introduce a Type-S model for the 4GTL.
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Originally Posted by ggesq
I sincerely doubt they will introduce a Type-S model for the 4GTL.
...but we can be assured!
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Originally Posted by BLEXV6
You can be assured, likely next year there will be a TL-S, and amongst other things, they will bring back the quad exhausts that they purposely left off the 12 Tech package.
Acura usually does follow up with a Type S in the final years of a generation run. But under the current circumstances regarding lack of sales and many car buyers finding the 4G a little hard on the eyes, IMHO Acura is placing all of their financial resources into the 5G so they can pick up lost market share they lost. Hopefully they'll produce a winner and produce the amount of TLs as they did with prior generations.
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financial resources into the 5G so they can pick up lost market share they lost
Well they better do something if they ever want to win me back. I'm still driving my 05, but will probably be replacing it in the next year or two.
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Originally Posted by psypher
Well they better do something if they ever want to win me back. I'm still driving my 05, but will probably be replacing it in the next year or two.
I'm sure Acura is working OT to launch a new TL with a splash and not a splat.
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The TL is on the typical Honda 5-year product design cycle.

So the MY 09-11 for the 4G TL stretched from Sept 08 to Feb 11, which is exactly 1/2 way through the 4G's 5-year cycle.

The MMC 4G TL is just a refreshed update of the 4G cycle which will stretch from Mar 11 to ~Aug 13 (MY 12-13).

Expect the completely revamped 5G TL to debut in ~Sept 13 as a 2014 MY model.
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Originally Posted by Hamma Tyme
I'm sure Acura is working OT to launch a new TL with a splash and not a splat.
And just what kind of SPLASH did the 3G make.. or any model of Acura? It's obvious that you just love to dog the 4G, for whatever joy it brings you but that does not change the way the rest of us enjoy our cars, the car that will have more trade-in value that your BMW and is more reliable.

The OP asked if the '12 is really a 5G and it gets turned into this.. again

.. so dog on the TL all you want.. make my day
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The audi owning, bmw owning acura haters who visit this forum would never come up to me or any other man in a garage and say the things they post here about the 4g....because they're fear based people who hide behind aliases. that they visit the forum of cars they don't own is an indication of how empty their lives must be.
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Originally Posted by Glashub
The audi owning, bmw owning acura haters who visit this forum would never come up to me or any other man in a garage and say the things they post here about the 4g....because they're fear based people who hide behind aliases. that they visit the forum of cars they don't own is an indication of how empty their lives must be.
Defensive much?
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And just what kind of SPLASH did the 3G make.. or any model of Acura? It's obvious that you just love to dog the 4G, for whatever joy it brings you but that does not change the way the rest of us enjoy our cars, the car that will have more trade-in value that your BMW and is more reliable. The OP asked if the '12 is really a 5G and it gets turned into this.. again

.. so dog on the TL all you want.. make my day
The 4G beauty is in the eyes of the beholders, if you like the look of the car, great, I would hope you wouldn't buy a car you didn't. The fact is the sales have dropped to it's lowest point with the 4G. I'm sure all would agree this is not good for Acura being the TL was the highest selling model. The changes to the 2012 will help sales, but there are no major changes nor is Acura calling it a 5G.

To all lovers of the 4G, I don't hate the Acura TL and I am a past owner. I've been a member of this site since 2004 which is longer then most who post here. I was one of many who was waiting on the 4G and didn't care for the new style and went in a different direction. In my case, it was BMW as you can see.

I understand the stronger reliabilty rating Acura has over BMW, but this was not enough reason for me and many other past TL owners to purchase a 4G and a design which forced us to go in a different direction with our cash. Just a FYI, my last TL had over 150k on her when I sold it and was awesome in every way except for the 3 trannys which was Acura's Achilles Heel for 4+ years. I kept my first BMW till she turned 225k without one problem other then a piece of window trim being replaced. BMW's Achilles Heel was the HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump) which has been corrected with the 2011 F10 and no issues over the past year it's been out.

There are many who like a driving a car which is different then any other on the road. This is great for you, but Acura is not in the business to build cars in low numbers, it's all about units and profits.

I wish you all a happy and safe 4th of July weekend!
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Defensive much?
Why don't you search through the post of TechnoCat and this other guy before becoming presumptive much.

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[/quote]I wish you all a happy and safe 4th of July weekend! [/quote]


I don't believe you. I make my money online and it’s ripe with people like you and TechnoCat. There is no earthly reason for you to over here with your 111 posts (been here longer? Where were you? Why activity now?) and repeatedly say the same things over and over...."the TL is ugly." The subtext of which is that your morally and intellectually superior so you need to inform us TL primitives of that which we don't know.

Screw this place. The ugliest least informative forum I've ever been on.

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Defensive much?
About your avatar. Hand guns are for fear based pussies or people with bad intentions.
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Originally Posted by Glashub
About your avatar. Hand guns are for fear based pussies or people with bad intentions.
Is that so?
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Originally Posted by Glashub
The audi owning, bmw owning acura haters who visit this forum would never come up to me or any other man in a garage and say the things they post here about the 4g....because they're fear based people who hide behind aliases. that they visit the forum of cars they don't own is an indication of how empty their lives must be.
If you've read many of the posts on this board, specifically those in Car Talk and Automotive news, you would have realized that a very large percentage of the posters previously owned an Acura and simply moved on to another brand because Acura didn't and still hasn't produced a car that is a step up from the Acura model they previously owned and matched what their needs/wants are.

Those same posters have stuck around because contrary to your astute observation, the community here is very informative and friendly. Keep an open mind and you may just experience what many of us enjoy about the boards.
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I am here to say to buy an Acura TL and love it because it will love you back. In features, styling, bragging rights and comfort.

That is my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Glashub
Why don't you search through the post of TechnoCat and this other guy before becoming presumptive much.
I'm well aware of the arguments in this subforum. And I'm not an Acura hater, quite the opposite. I currently own THREE and have owned five. Plus Accords, Civics and a Prelude.
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I wish you all a happy and safe 4th of July weekend! [/quote]


I don't believe you. I make my money online and it’s ripe with people like you and TechnoCat. There is no earthly reason for you to over here with your 111 posts (been here longer? Where were you? Why activity now?) and repeatedly say the same things over and over...."the TL is ugly." The subtext of which is that your morally and intellectually superior so you need to inform us TL primitives of that which we don't know.

Screw this place. The ugliest least informative forum I've ever been on.

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Believe it when I say, "I wish you all a happy and safe 4th of July weekend!". Just because we don't agree with each other doesn't mean I want harm to come to you or anyone. Have a safe holiday weekend.
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Is that so?
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I'm well aware of the arguments in this subforum. And I'm not an Acura hater, quite the opposite. I currently own THREE and have owned five. Plus Accords, Civics and a Prelude.
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Originally Posted by Hamma Tyme
I'm sure Acura is working OT to launch a new TL with a splash and not a splat.
I sincerely hope Acura is working on something that will win back so many devoted fans. There are some people who like the current TL and that is good - they bought their car and are happy with it. However it is obvious from sales (yes the economy isn't great but BMW and other brands are doing far better - even other model Acuras aren't suffering the economy as much so it is hard to pin everything on that) and the poll on this site that the TL is due for something special. It is OK for Acura to try something new but when it doesn't pan out it is time to move on - or many of their previously loyal clients will move on to another brand.

Acura once was truly a great bang for the buck car. With the 3G the style improved nicely as well and they finally dropped that BOSE POS sound system. But with their price on the incline they are slipping into range of other luxury cars and they are standing out in the bang for the buck niche they once dominated. The only way Acura stands out now is that the majority of people don't find them attractive. While there are some people on this forum that claim to like the looks of of the 4G TL or claim that they like driving a car that no one else wants, unless those people are willing to buy 2 or 3 TLs of the current design each year - the TL will have to be redesigned soon.

I love what the previous 2 generation TLs represent and hope they turn their ship around and regain what they once had. It is OK that other manufacturers are stepping in to fill that void but something in me wants Acura to regain that role. No matter how much lipstick they put on the current TL it just isn't going to be a hot looking car.

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What the heck does all this blah blah blah blah have to do with whether the '12 is 4G or 5G? You guys never miss the opportunity to throw in your opinions about the 4G, Acura sales, BMW, Audi....etc... sheesh
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I guess there isn't much to talk about the 4G TL, other than those.

The 4G TL has very limited (almost next to nil) aftermarket performance parts and upgrades that we can start some new topics on, unlike the 2G's and the 3G's.
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But it does get tiring... I can see why people are dropping off this forum. Most times it's pretty good here but lately.. not so much
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This site is no different then any other site when it comes to bantering back and forth between Cool Aid fans, Doom and Gloom fans, and members who actually bring value and post worthy subject matter.

I'm a member of this site, BMW, and Porsche and it's much of the same, a little less on Porsche and a little more on Acura.

Being virtually every third party car review of the 4th Generation TL points out the grill, beak, tooth, whatever, there will always be lovers and haters of the 4G.

Oh, and Glashub can use a hug....

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