Motortrend First Drive Review
08-11-2008, 08:45 PM
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Motortrend First Drive Review
I'm surprised no one posted this yet here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html
It's a positive review IMO. For its size and AWD system, I'm surprised the weight is under 4000lbs.
And this is the best part of the article,
" Acura says it simply runs away from the outgoing Type-S in racetrack lapping."
Keep in mind the current Type S has been proven to outrun its RWD competitors on a well known race track by two seconds.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html
It's a positive review IMO. For its size and AWD system, I'm surprised the weight is under 4000lbs.
And this is the best part of the article,
" Acura says it simply runs away from the outgoing Type-S in racetrack lapping."
Keep in mind the current Type S has been proven to outrun its RWD competitors on a well known race track by two seconds.
08-11-2008, 09:24 PM
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I can see it pulling away from alot of other vehicles on the track...the Sh-awd systems are amazing. Nothing can compete with the cornering and exiting out of corners with what the sh-awd system provides with the proper driving It is def. the future of sports lux cars.
If they put the sh-awd in the 3g TL-S...it would be the best selling car ever!!!
If they put the sh-awd in the 3g TL-S...it would be the best selling car ever!!!
08-11-2008, 09:26 PM
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Thus far, the opinions around the MT water cooler have been...it would be charitable to call them "mixed."
The writer of this article on MT was being kind - they had to tone it down out of fear they'd lose all those Acura marketing $s. lol.
The writer of this article on MT was being kind - they had to tone it down out of fear they'd lose all those Acura marketing $s. lol.
08-11-2008, 11:29 PM
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yea, I would like to see more road tests. And so far a few mags have stated that the car looks much better in-person (ie Autoblog). I hope that's true.
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Originally Posted by JD TL-S
The front end is UGLY as HELL.
NO MORE ACURA FOR ME.
FORGET BMW 135i, MANY PROBLEMS.
HELLO G8 GXP or LS3 CAMARO SS.
NO MORE ACURA FOR ME.
FORGET BMW 135i, MANY PROBLEMS.
HELLO G8 GXP or LS3 CAMARO SS.
what kind of problems does 135i has??
my 3G TL is my first and last acura...hate those cheap ass grilles on MDX RL TL TSX and maybe on nex NSX and other new models too...
I was thinkin 135i for my next car...but if it has many problems than that's no good...please tell me what are the major and minors
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u gotta be kidding to think 135i has more problems than a G8 and/or Camaro…last time I checked, the Camaro SS has over 400hp –422hp (depending on transmission), but it’s also heavy at roughly 3900lbs (as heavy as this new TL AWD), has drag coefficient of 0.35 (due to that retro-looking shape). Thus, even though it has a lot of power, it could only lap the N’ring in 8:20…..I believe the FWD Cobalt SS did it in 8:22…
I dont think the grille is cheap (apparently it's made out of real aluminum), it's just ugly as hell...
I dont think the grille is cheap (apparently it's made out of real aluminum), it's just ugly as hell...
08-12-2008, 01:07 PM
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if you would be happy driving a G8 then you wouldn't appreciate the niceties of an Acura. you probably also consider "cocktails" to mean drinking budweiser out of a can .....
back to the topic at hand...
this article says "Acura says" the new TL will walk away from the old Typs S on a track. it probably depends on the track. if it's a track with lots of long high speed sweepers where SD-AWD kicks in to help out - it probably is very possible...but i kind of doubt the new cra is going to smoke the crap out of an 08 Type S.
the new car is 400 lbs heavier and only about 20hp up. unless the new car has a LOT more torque throughout the revs - so that it is faster at all rpms.... otherwise..i don';t see the extra top end grunt helping it get much faster than a Type S due to the extra weight it has to pull.
AWD is known to have higher drivetrain losses too. so it's not going to get all those 20 extra horses to the ground...
i'll bet you $5 when someone finally puts a type S up agains this new SH-AWD the new car will lose.
i've driven a lot of cars with SH-AWD - an RL and MDX. it works yes. but it doesn't work allthe time. it only kicks in if you are on the gas...so if you let off mid turn, or have to brake, it doens't do anything.
this new car is basically an RL. they just added different sheet metal, added some power, and stiffened the suspension, plus some more techno stuff.
go buy a used 2006 RL, add intake/pulleys/exhaust, TEINs, 18s with good rubber, and run THAT aginst htis new TL and I bet you have at tie.
just looking at the dimensions...this new car is probably just the outgoing RL redone.
back to the topic at hand...
this article says "Acura says" the new TL will walk away from the old Typs S on a track. it probably depends on the track. if it's a track with lots of long high speed sweepers where SD-AWD kicks in to help out - it probably is very possible...but i kind of doubt the new cra is going to smoke the crap out of an 08 Type S.
the new car is 400 lbs heavier and only about 20hp up. unless the new car has a LOT more torque throughout the revs - so that it is faster at all rpms.... otherwise..i don';t see the extra top end grunt helping it get much faster than a Type S due to the extra weight it has to pull.
AWD is known to have higher drivetrain losses too. so it's not going to get all those 20 extra horses to the ground...
i'll bet you $5 when someone finally puts a type S up agains this new SH-AWD the new car will lose.
i've driven a lot of cars with SH-AWD - an RL and MDX. it works yes. but it doesn't work allthe time. it only kicks in if you are on the gas...so if you let off mid turn, or have to brake, it doens't do anything.
this new car is basically an RL. they just added different sheet metal, added some power, and stiffened the suspension, plus some more techno stuff.
go buy a used 2006 RL, add intake/pulleys/exhaust, TEINs, 18s with good rubber, and run THAT aginst htis new TL and I bet you have at tie.
just looking at the dimensions...this new car is probably just the outgoing RL redone.
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I don’t think it’s faster on the straight at all.
Also the new car has better brakes, and interestingly, the rear brakes are larger than the front ones.
Also the new car has better brakes, and interestingly, the rear brakes are larger than the front ones.
08-12-2008, 01:39 PM
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so who thinks the new car will be faster than an 08 TL-S?
i am tempted to buy an 08 TL-S and lease it for three years. then when the "new" Type S is out - and on the market..then think about buying that...
i am tempted to buy an 08 TL-S and lease it for three years. then when the "new" Type S is out - and on the market..then think about buying that...
08-12-2008, 01:44 PM
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i think a 2008 type-s and a 2009 tl would be equal if the 08 was a 6-speed, but when the new type-s comes out, i dunno..isnt it gunna have 3.7? ive also heard rumors that acura is delvoping a new V8, maybe it would get that?
08-12-2008, 01:50 PM
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this new car is basically an RL. they just added different sheet metal, added some power, and stiffened the suspension, plus some more techno stuff.
just looking at the dimensions...this new car is probably just the outgoing RL redone.
just looking at the dimensions...this new car is probably just the outgoing RL redone.
As for it's suggested track prowess. Acura may be guilty of hyperbole when they describe a 'revolutionary' audio system or real time weather. But I tend to believe them if they claim it will outrun the old car at the track. For example, the S2000CR really is as fast as they claim (vs. the regular S2000).
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The TL SH-AWD already has 3.7L, who knows what the next Type S going to have. I think that’s a smart plan 23109VC, I’d lease a 08 TL-S too, then possibly the grille will grow on you/me, then by the time the type s is out, your lease is up, and you can see if the new type s is good or not.
08-12-2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
The TL SH-AWD already has 3.7L, who knows what the next Type S going to have. I think that’s a smart plan 23109VC, I’d lease a 08 TL-S too, then possibly the grille will grow on you/me, then by the time the type s is out, your lease is up, and you can see if the new type s is good or not.
I know it's a bit early to even throw this around; BUT... how much larger is Acura going to make their V6? 4.0?? The TL-S will need to have more power than the SH-AWD TL; but will it remain as V6? I wonder if the new 4G TL-S will get the rumored V8 for the new RL..
crazyasiantl.. I didn't realize I just said the same thing as you lol
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Originally Posted by crazyasiantl
i think a 2008 type-s and a 2009 tl would be equal if the 08 was a 6-speed, but when the new type-s comes out, i dunno..isnt it gunna have 3.7? ive also heard rumors that acura is delvoping a new V8, maybe it would get that?
I could be wrong..
08-12-2008, 02:42 PM
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The TL SH-AWD already has 3.7L, who knows what the next Type S going to have. I think that’s a smart plan 23109VC, I’d lease a 08 TL-S too, then possibly the grille will grow on you/me, then by the time the type s is out, your lease is up, and you can see if the new type s is good or not.
maybe the TL type-s too...?No. To be serious. A turbo V6 is the real choise...
08-12-2008, 02:43 PM
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i think a 2008 type-s and a 2009 tl would be equal if the 08 was a 6-speed, but when the new type-s comes out, i dunno..isnt it gunna have 3.7? ive also heard rumors that acura is delvoping a new V8, maybe it would get that?
08-12-2008, 02:50 PM
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Right now, there is a strong distaste for turbocharging within Acura. I would not expect to see any turbo'd vehicles in the near future. I've always wondered why an SC with an electromagnetic clutch has never been explored at Honda/Acura, but somehow I have my doubts that we'll see a forced induction motor any time soon.
08-12-2008, 03:08 PM
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Right now, there is a strong distaste for turbocharging within Acura. I would not expect to see any turbo'd vehicles in the near future. I've always wondered why an SC with an electromagnetic clutch has never been explored at Honda/Acura, but somehow I have my doubts that we'll see a forced induction motor any time soon.
a V8?
08-12-2008, 03:10 PM
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Right now, there is a strong distaste for turbocharging within Acura. I would not expect to see any turbo'd vehicles in the near future. I've always wondered why an SC with an electromagnetic clutch has never been explored at Honda/Acura, but somehow I have my doubts that we'll see a forced induction motor any time soon.
a V8?
08-12-2008, 06:25 PM
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I don't know, but I'd imagine they could rev it higher to get more top end power, especially since they've figured out how to do exhaust side VTEC on a SOHC head.
08-12-2008, 07:43 PM
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FSI is one of the best solutions.
The new 3.0L TFSI V6 in next year's new A6 will combine the supercharger and direct-injection fuel delivery to produce 300 hp and 310 lb-ft of torque.
Honda, please drop your pride and start using FSI technology like more and more auto makers.
The new 3.0L TFSI V6 in next year's new A6 will combine the supercharger and direct-injection fuel delivery to produce 300 hp and 310 lb-ft of torque.
Honda, please drop your pride and start using FSI technology like more and more auto makers.
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I don't see how Honda can squeeze more rpm into the SOHC design, I mean, SOHC is SOHC, it's not meant for high rev.
Also, they already have a turbo now, why don't they refine/improve the technology (ie fuel economy) and apply it to the J series? BMW has done it, Audi and Ford will be doing it.
Edward TLS, imagine having the TSI in that 3L engine.
Also, they already have a turbo now, why don't they refine/improve the technology (ie fuel economy) and apply it to the J series? BMW has done it, Audi and Ford will be doing it.
Edward TLS, imagine having the TSI in that 3L engine.
08-13-2008, 01:38 AM
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FSI is one of the best solutions.
The new 3.0L TFSI V6 in next year's new A6 will combine the supercharger and direct-injection fuel delivery to produce 300 hp and 310 lb-ft of torque.
Honda, please drop your pride and start using FSI technology like more and more auto makers.
The new 3.0L TFSI V6 in next year's new A6 will combine the supercharger and direct-injection fuel delivery to produce 300 hp and 310 lb-ft of torque.
Honda, please drop your pride and start using FSI technology like more and more auto makers.
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Originally Posted by Colin
Right now, there is a strong distaste for turbocharging within Acura. I would not expect to see any turbo'd vehicles in the near future. I've always wondered why an SC with an electromagnetic clutch has never been explored at Honda/Acura, but somehow I have my doubts that we'll see a forced induction motor any time soon.
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Originally Posted by krio
to be exact the 3.0 TFSI is 288 hp.... But there will be a more extreme version for the S4, with 340~350 hp...
from the insideline.com, I read an article about new S4 last time, and new S4 will only have 290hp, supercharged with impressive torque numbers...
I am pretty sure this is accurate info
08-13-2008, 04:35 AM
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Also, they already have a turbo now, why don't they refine/improve the technology (ie fuel economy) and apply it to the J series? BMW has done it, Audi and Ford will be doing it.
Don't get ME wrong on this. I think the engine in the RDX is a failure, but that it deserves a second chance in a sport coupe of some sort. I'm just not optimistic we'll see it any time soon.
08-13-2008, 04:35 AM
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from the insideline.com, I read an article about new S4 last time, and new S4 will only have 290hp, supercharged with impressive torque numbers...
I am pretty sure this is accurate info
I am pretty sure this is accurate info
the 290 gp is considered the "base one" in the A6 and A4. A forced version will be up for the S4...:
While the outgoing S4 uses a naturally aspirated 4.2-litre V8, when the new S4 makes it debut at the Paris motor show this autumn, it will be powered by supercharged 3.0-litre V6 powerplant.
Although the engine is smaller, don't expect Audi to give an inch in the power wars – the forced-induction V6 will generate at least 350bhp and 406lb ft, more than matching the old S4’s 340bhp output and ahead of BMW’s 335i (306bhp/295lb ft) and the Mercedes C350 (268bhp/258lb ft).
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I can see why the people are Acura hate the turbo for the reasons mentioned. It’s sad to see this though. Perhaps the A-VTEC will finally make it to the 4g tl-s?
Isn’t the S4 is in another league of its own? At least in terms of price it is, right?
Isn’t the S4 is in another league of its own? At least in terms of price it is, right?
08-13-2008, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by krio
to be exact the 3.0 TFSI is 288 hp.... But there will be a more extreme version for the S4, with 340~350 hp...
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...023/LATESTNEWS
08-13-2008, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
I don't see how Honda can squeeze more rpm into the SOHC design, I mean, SOHC is SOHC, it's not meant for high rev.
Also, they already have a turbo now, why don't they refine/improve the technology (ie fuel economy) and apply it to the J series? BMW has done it, Audi and Ford will be doing it.
Edward TLS, imagine having the TSI in that 3L engine.
Also, they already have a turbo now, why don't they refine/improve the technology (ie fuel economy) and apply it to the J series? BMW has done it, Audi and Ford will be doing it.
Edward TLS, imagine having the TSI in that 3L engine.
The Honda J series is getting very old. How about the world's best engine builder - Honda starts working on a new generation of V6/V8/V10 that can utilize FSI's benefits just like the other top auto makers. Sigh !!
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They have another year or 2 before the J series gets phased out. What I mean is, according to Colin, Honda’s engine series typically has a 12-year cycle. I guess that’s better than Toyota’s old V6, which lasted for like 15 years….
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