2010 TL SH-AWD vs 2008 TL S which is faster?
05-16-2010, 08:39 PM
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2010 TL SH-AWD vs 2008 TL S which is faster?
I know the 2010 TL SH-AWD has 305 and 2008 TL S has ~285.
But from the research I found that TL S does 0-60 in 5.5 secs and TL SH-AWD does around 6?
Can someone confirm this?
But from the research I found that TL S does 0-60 in 5.5 secs and TL SH-AWD does around 6?
Can someone confirm this?
05-16-2010, 09:21 PM
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I came from the 07 TL-S to my 2010 SHAWD 6MT, and I think that the 6MT is faster than my 07 TL-S.
I'd love to see a stock for stock drag of a TL-S MT and 4G MT.
I'd love to see a stock for stock drag of a TL-S MT and 4G MT.
05-17-2010, 11:02 AM
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TL-SHAWD 6MT Rocks!
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my 2010 SH-AWD 6MT is faster than my 07 TL-s
especially on curves, the SH-AWD just grabs the road aided with the custom suspension + tranny Acura added.
05-17-2010, 12:34 PM
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I didn't have a type s, but my the SH-AWD 6MT definitely feels quicker than my old '06 TL 6MT.
On a trip from CO to CA, I took the '10 up to a little over 140 mph on a desolate stretch of road in the Nevada desert. I didn't seem to hit any limiter, but it felt like it was near the max. That makes it quite a bit faster than my previous TL and my old BMW that was limited to 130. It felt quite stable the whole few minutes I was holding that speed.
I gotta say, I've yet to be disappointed in this car.
On a trip from CO to CA, I took the '10 up to a little over 140 mph on a desolate stretch of road in the Nevada desert. I didn't seem to hit any limiter, but it felt like it was near the max. That makes it quite a bit faster than my previous TL and my old BMW that was limited to 130. It felt quite stable the whole few minutes I was holding that speed.
I gotta say, I've yet to be disappointed in this car.
05-17-2010, 01:58 PM
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The '10 TL is limited to 135MPH, while the older TL-S was limited to 155MPH--so in a flat out race, the TL-S would pull ahead.
The '10 6MT AWD has better acceleration and handling though.
The '10 6MT AWD has better acceleration and handling though.
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The best 0-60 time that C&D got from a 6MT TL-S is 5.5 secs, and best SH-AWD 6MT time was 5.2 secs....although I'm sure that you could smell clutches cooking after both of those tests.
05-17-2010, 09:12 PM
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The 6MTs have a different top speed limiter than the autos. The speed is limited to 132MPH if I remember correctly for the autos and 155MPH for the 6MTs. I topped my car off at about 132MPH.
05-17-2010, 11:32 PM
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05-19-2010, 05:01 AM
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If you're conflicted about which one to buy, and want the better handling/accelerating one of the bunch I would suggest this:
Go find one of those expressway cloverleaf style on ramps / off ramps to play on during a rainy day. Get to your maximum comfortable speed, and than add throttle until the car starts to break traction.
You'll be wowed by the SH-AWD.
Go find one of those expressway cloverleaf style on ramps / off ramps to play on during a rainy day. Get to your maximum comfortable speed, and than add throttle until the car starts to break traction.
You'll be wowed by the SH-AWD.
05-19-2010, 07:40 AM
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AWD vs FWD. The TL-S has traction issues when you floor it. The car is faster than a 5.5 if it could get traction. The SH AWD TL doesn't have that problem so it gets a better 0-60. Line them up, and I am willing to bet the TL-S would pull away from the newer TL due to weight and less drivetrain loss vs the AWD model.♦
05-19-2010, 07:41 AM
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05-19-2010, 08:28 AM
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like mentioned above
The TL-S is lighter and more "nimble" but the FWD makes for a VERY poor 0-60ft time
Stock for Stock.... I would say the TL-S felt faster, but it really wasnt
The 4G redlines at a lower RPM, and lacks low end torque... but its impossible to lost traction on a dry day
the 3G tires will break lose if you dont enter the throttle correctly... however, the TL-S pushes 6800RPM Redline, has more high end power (because of less weight)
4G is faster on paper, but 3G felt faster
Also, both my cars were 5AT
The TL-S is lighter and more "nimble" but the FWD makes for a VERY poor 0-60ft time
Stock for Stock.... I would say the TL-S felt faster, but it really wasnt
The 4G redlines at a lower RPM, and lacks low end torque... but its impossible to lost traction on a dry day
the 3G tires will break lose if you dont enter the throttle correctly... however, the TL-S pushes 6800RPM Redline, has more high end power (because of less weight)
4G is faster on paper, but 3G felt faster
Also, both my cars were 5AT
05-19-2010, 09:46 AM
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If you're conflicted about which one to buy, and want the better handling/accelerating one of the bunch I would suggest this:
Go find one of those expressway cloverleaf style on ramps / off ramps to play on during a rainy day. Get to your maximum comfortable speed, and than add throttle until the car starts to break traction.
You'll be wowed by the SH-AWD.
Go find one of those expressway cloverleaf style on ramps / off ramps to play on during a rainy day. Get to your maximum comfortable speed, and than add throttle until the car starts to break traction.
You'll be wowed by the SH-AWD.
05-19-2010, 10:21 AM
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Speak of the Devil... Im driving to work today, and i get TWO red light, fair oppurtunities with a KBP 3G TL-S (stock).... this is my first, real chance to push my car against a 3G
and.... i got smoked!!! Well, not smoked, but i couldnt over take the TL-S ?!?! I was not only shocked, but ASHAMED... we kept about 1/4 of a car length the entire way!! Both times!!!
The 3G HAD to be a 6MT... I have a 5AT with Takeda Intake, P2R TB Spacer and IM Gaskets....
i am still in disbelief
Speak of the Devil... Im driving to work today, and i get TWO red light, fair oppurtunities with a KBP 3G TL-S (stock).... this is my first, real chance to push my car against a 3G
and.... i got smoked!!! Well, not smoked, but i couldnt over take the TL-S ?!?! I was not only shocked, but ASHAMED... we kept about 1/4 of a car length the entire way!! Both times!!!
The 3G HAD to be a 6MT... I have a 5AT with Takeda Intake, P2R TB Spacer and IM Gaskets....
i am still in disbelief
05-19-2010, 11:23 AM
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2010 TL AWD 6MT: New King
05-19-2010, 01:31 PM
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I don't know why, I don't see the new TL as a street race car.
The 3G looks more like a street racer, but the new one is bigger and looks more mature.
On the other hand, I had a suspicion that the TL-S may be faster that the SH head to head...
Looking from the previous post it seems that the AT my be less of a competition for the TL-S than the Manual?
Can we get some 3G'erz from Acurazine on this?
The 3G looks more like a street racer, but the new one is bigger and looks more mature.
On the other hand, I had a suspicion that the TL-S may be faster that the SH head to head...
Looking from the previous post it seems that the AT my be less of a competition for the TL-S than the Manual?
Can we get some 3G'erz from Acurazine on this?
05-19-2010, 01:39 PM
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Speak of the Devil... Im driving to work today, and i get TWO red light, fair oppurtunities with a KBP 3G TL-S (stock).... this is my first, real chance to push my car against a 3G
and.... i got smoked!!! Well, not smoked, but i couldnt over take the TL-S ?!?! I was not only shocked, but ASHAMED... we kept about 1/4 of a car length the entire way!! Both times!!!
The 3G HAD to be a 6MT... I have a 5AT with Takeda Intake, P2R TB Spacer and IM Gaskets....
i am still in disbelief
Speak of the Devil... Im driving to work today, and i get TWO red light, fair oppurtunities with a KBP 3G TL-S (stock).... this is my first, real chance to push my car against a 3G
and.... i got smoked!!! Well, not smoked, but i couldnt over take the TL-S ?!?! I was not only shocked, but ASHAMED... we kept about 1/4 of a car length the entire way!! Both times!!!
The 3G HAD to be a 6MT... I have a 5AT with Takeda Intake, P2R TB Spacer and IM Gaskets....
i am still in disbelief
05-19-2010, 01:39 PM
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You should be able to know if it was a 6mt or 5AT. You can see the car buck every time he shifts. But I will say our 09 w/tech (3.5L) is definitely slower than my TL-S.
05-19-2010, 02:17 PM
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08 TL-S 5AT AEM/Innovative Mounts/Experience/Heavy Foot went already a few times against 09 base, 10 awd... Top of 3rd gear I walked away... Mounts and good tires keep me planted on the road...yep 5AT...
To those who rely on a car taking them out of a bad turn --- please don't race. Have a lovely day
pimpin my car bucks at hard shifts...
To those who rely on a car taking them out of a bad turn --- please don't race. Have a lovely day
pimpin my car bucks at hard shifts...
05-19-2010, 02:26 PM
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The SH in either transmission is a faster car from zero mph until you start going over 110 mph. The mid range passing and pulling power is very similar with the lower end power in favor of the SH and higher end power in favor of the TLS.
The SH is generally quicker in a more usable sense (0-60 and through the 1/4 mile) and has the handling advantage. It doesn't always feel that way though. I guess the super smooth engine and power delivery plus AWD and at times, gradual power transfer to the rear wheels when on it, really kills any low end torque or thrust feel, but the car simply accelerates better. Just the same, the steering is less weighted, but more direct and responsive and the SH has more overall brake force but with less initial grab and feel. The suspension also feels tighter but rides better IMO.
So while feel can often be misleading, the SH is not only more capable in most areas but also more refined. Not to take away from the 3G TLS, that is an awesome car too. Certainly better than a TSX V6 or 09+ FWD TL, in an overall performance aspect.
The SH is generally quicker in a more usable sense (0-60 and through the 1/4 mile) and has the handling advantage. It doesn't always feel that way though. I guess the super smooth engine and power delivery plus AWD and at times, gradual power transfer to the rear wheels when on it, really kills any low end torque or thrust feel, but the car simply accelerates better. Just the same, the steering is less weighted, but more direct and responsive and the SH has more overall brake force but with less initial grab and feel. The suspension also feels tighter but rides better IMO.
So while feel can often be misleading, the SH is not only more capable in most areas but also more refined. Not to take away from the 3G TLS, that is an awesome car too. Certainly better than a TSX V6 or 09+ FWD TL, in an overall performance aspect.
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05-19-2010, 02:33 PM
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I never challenge anyone to a race, it's usually the 4G and civics egging me on..why...i have no clue. New thing in NYC by teens, they cut you off, and expect you to chase them
05-19-2010, 02:42 PM
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But in this case it is not just an AWD add on that we see in many other brands, it also has more power, shorter gearing, and provides better traction. So while it may not be ultimately faster, it is faster to a point and arguably faster where it is more appropriate and more usable instead. I don't disagree, just want to make that part of what I am saying more clear.
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05-19-2010, 02:48 PM
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^^ Try your luck against an STi or an EVO sometime. 
Compromise of more loss is more traction. Better 60' = Better traps and Better 1/4 mile.
Since it's more of a torque vectoring logic, you gain the launch benefit of the AWD, and then switch to mainly a FWD vehicle, minimizing the traditional parasitic loss associated with the extra axle and differentials.
I'll race any past or current Acura product to 30 mph - and win.
Yes - it has more loss - but it's not like comparing a 4 wheel drive truck with a 2 wheel drive one.
The real issue with the 4G is it's really a car that needs another 50 ponies and 30 ft/lbs to be what I'd call "peppy". It's a big, heavy, comfy car - and you know that the first time you get on the expressway and stomp on it.
Compromise of more loss is more traction. Better 60' = Better traps and Better 1/4 mile.
Since it's more of a torque vectoring logic, you gain the launch benefit of the AWD, and then switch to mainly a FWD vehicle, minimizing the traditional parasitic loss associated with the extra axle and differentials.
I'll race any past or current Acura product to 30 mph - and win.
Yes - it has more loss - but it's not like comparing a 4 wheel drive truck with a 2 wheel drive one.
The real issue with the 4G is it's really a car that needs another 50 ponies and 30 ft/lbs to be what I'd call "peppy". It's a big, heavy, comfy car - and you know that the first time you get on the expressway and stomp on it.
05-19-2010, 02:55 PM
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For now audi quattro is my fav awd.. but I'm yet to cruise in a GT-R... I'm afraid that after GT-R, I'll sit in my tl-s and cry, cry cry lol
05-19-2010, 03:40 PM
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1/4 you got it. The 09+ is slower vs the TL-S.
07 TL Type-S 5AT
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-14926.html
1/4 Mile ET: 14.374
1/4 Mile MPH: 97.120
C&D 6mt TL Type-S
Standing ¼-mile: 14.1 sec @ 101
09 Acura TL SH-AWD
http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/g...7-journey.html
AUTO
Perhaps the reason lies in the fact that the TL is saddled with 250 pounds more and two fewer gears in its transmission, and the result is a 6.7-second run to 60 mph (6.2 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and a quarter-mile sprint of 15 seconds at 94.3 mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/tl/2010/testdrive.html
At the test track, our TL SH-AWD sped to 60 mph in just 5.6 seconds, a remarkable 1.1 seconds quicker than the identically powered automatic-transmission version we tested last year. The quarter-mile flew by in 13.9 seconds at 100.1 mph
07 TL Type-S 5AT
http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-14926.html
1/4 Mile ET: 14.374
1/4 Mile MPH: 97.120
C&D 6mt TL Type-S
Standing ¼-mile: 14.1 sec @ 101
09 Acura TL SH-AWD
http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/g...7-journey.html
AUTO
Perhaps the reason lies in the fact that the TL is saddled with 250 pounds more and two fewer gears in its transmission, and the result is a 6.7-second run to 60 mph (6.2 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and a quarter-mile sprint of 15 seconds at 94.3 mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/tl/2010/testdrive.html
At the test track, our TL SH-AWD sped to 60 mph in just 5.6 seconds, a remarkable 1.1 seconds quicker than the identically powered automatic-transmission version we tested last year. The quarter-mile flew by in 13.9 seconds at 100.1 mph
05-19-2010, 03:44 PM
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lol you just posted quicker 1/4 mile times for the sh-awd. how does that make the tl-s faster? the sh-awd 6mt has a low et and higher trap speed. no dispute about it according to those numbers.
05-19-2010, 03:45 PM
#36
Really inconclusive to use magazine stats but at least use the best available times of each. The 3G TLS times posted are the fastest but these are the fastest 4G times as well.
MT has the SH 5AT at 14.4@99
R&T has the SH 6MT at 13.7@102.5
MT has the SH 5AT at 14.4@99
R&T has the SH 6MT at 13.7@102.5
05-19-2010, 03:46 PM
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But the 1/4 time only means the car was able to get out of the hole quicker (due to traction obviously). FWD the TL-S spins easily at any launch.
Go to the 1/4, or do some reading, you might learn some things about it.
05-19-2010, 03:47 PM
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Because I show MT:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...val/index.html
0-60 mph 6.5 sec
Quarter mile 14.8 sec @ 96.9 mph
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05-19-2010, 03:53 PM
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R&T
It accelerates the TL to reasonably quick times, but at 6.3 seconds to 60 and 14.8 sec. at 96.7 mph through the quarter mile
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca..._sh-awd_page_2
Again, post links, because I am not finding them.
It accelerates the TL to reasonably quick times, but at 6.3 seconds to 60 and 14.8 sec. at 96.7 mph through the quarter mile
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca..._sh-awd_page_2
Again, post links, because I am not finding them.