Altitude

holy fuck guys the TSX is a souped up Civic with leather guts!
Entry level is just horse shit used by dealers to sell their pieces of crap to wannabe impotent peeps.
Luxury cars are big and roomy for 3 6 footers in the back seat with lots of wood and silver, not plastic and a navigation/playstation for the kiddies.

sifuacura

iTrader: (1)

Hey now, wiki is good for some source but not all..like religion lol

so where's the mods? are they on vacation here or something?

chill_dog

Exactly.

The mods in some areas are more tolerable of off topic threads than the mods in others. Sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes it's not...just depends on the quality of the discussion.

joerockt

Holy fuck, that pretty much eliminates the TL.

Altitude

And most other Japanese made cars.

joerockt

And most other German made cars.

visuelz

So I guess the Pilot is a luxury car now...

03bl AC k CL

isnt the csx (which isnt available in the US) a souped up civic? pr were you just being facetious?

i agree with you about the term 'entry level' its basically just "this car is not the top of the line so heres something you can actually afford but we will give the illusion that its somethin special"

dont get me wrong i like the tsx and would drive one without hesitation and do not mean anything derogatory by my statement above about it, but its a fact that the tsx is meant to fall in line underneath the tl and rl thus the title entry level but dealers use fancy wordplay to make it seem more appealing ... do i personally qualify it as a luxury vehicle? yeah... but an 'entry level' luxury vehicle... lol ... so i guess marketing has affected me haha.

spooky3ce

I have to agree with the entry level opinion you have of the TSX. Really its not and shouldn't be mentioned anywhere near a civic... The CSX is the 4dr Civic here in the U.S.

The TSX on the other hand is a Euro Accord... The Accord is not a luxury vehicle but does have luxury accessories and which has an indication of a luxury vehicle but isn't a luxury vehicle...

As Honda would put it:"Luxurious:
The exterior finish is more indicative of luxury automobiles than other vehicles in its class."

but doesn't mean it is a luxury automobile...

You can call the TSX near luxury with more of a sporty feel... You can call it the younger brother to the TL since the TL is a luxury vehicle...

My opinion shown in percents are as follows:
CL - 25% Luxury 75% Sport
TSX - 30% Luxury 70% Sport
TL - 75% Luxury 25% Sport
RL - 99% Luxury (100%) 1% Sport

But again thats just how I see it... and how Honda insinuates...

Go90go

Wow, enough is enough. Even the thread on the TSX side has died. About the whole Euro Accord thing, the current US Accord is Japan's Honda Inspire, which is a newer version of 1 and 2G TLs. The argument can go either way, saying that the 3.2TL's newer version is an Accord, so it isn't luxury, or that the US TSX is a current Euro Accord so it isn't luxury. This thread started as poking fun at how sensitive the TSX and RDX guys were, and now has become a continuation of the TSX thread.

Kevin, I know you have a TSX and I can understand why you are defending it. Keep in mind that I never attacked any of your cars directly, yet I was on the receiving end of some insults. They weren't only directed at my car, but at myself personally.

I'm considering this thread CLOSED.

~Cheers~

joerockt

Oh no, these arent personal attacks at all douche bag...

Don't start shit with other boards if you're not ready for the backlash.

sifuacura

iTrader: (1)

saying douche bag and shit doesnt help the situation either

Altitude

They're the only words he can spell.

joerockt

I could spell a few other words for you. Like me to try?

Altitude

Thats okay youve already proved your ability with those retrograde and indolent comments, instead would you have a nice salsa recipe? Something that would go good with chicken,and none of that mango stuff, its just not the same as real tomatoes.

Go90go

Learn to read:

Big mis-info right there ^.

Is this not a personal attack ^?

~Cheers~

triggerc

So what percentage of your 9000+ posts are conducive topics of discussion, 2% or less? as far as I saw from what you posted here and over in the thread linked over at the TSX forums, you had probably 1 or 2 posts that are actually worthwhile. I really hope you don't just come online and post second grade responses calling other's douch bags and fucktards to prove you are "the bigger man." If so you need a little priority check.

visuelz

joerockt wouldn't be joerockt if he didn't use the diction =D.

fish008

What Go90go said originally wasn't perhaps the smartest thing to do. Then making a thread about wasn't perhaps the brightest idea ever too. BUT that doesn't give joerockt the right to behave like a child about this. If you ask me who the biggest jerk about this whole situation is I would say joerockt. I am sure that by writing this he will have something negative to say about me but this is getting stupid. I am not even involved in this and I am just making an observation but I am sure the backlash is coming.

wackjum

I disagree. Go9 had valid points. Why should we have to curb our opinions if they are not merely vexatious points?

joerockt

What's comical are people like you that take every word so seriously.

And for the record, this thread was started as a second grade response and was intended to antagonize. I'm simply returning the favor...

joerockt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Inspire

Not at all.

joerockt

And who are you to tell me what my rights are and how I should respond?

Look, I've seen this 100x before, and I know that if someone like the OP isn't put in their place, they continue to make ridiculous threads like this. So really, all the OP needs to do is admit he was wrong for starting this thread in the first place (which isnt even NEAR on topic) and we can all move on...

triggerc

Great source of information you just provided, just proves that you have no idea about 1st gen TLs.

Go90go

So saying that I'm a poseur with an image of a car that isn't mine nor is owned by someone I know is not a personal attack aimed squarely at my integrity? Nor is saying that the vehicle I chose to own over others is a nice "compromise" of a car?

Admit to what? This thread was started to laugh at the responses to certain things I had posted on two OTHER sides of the boards, namely, the TSX and RDX. Sideswipe from the RDX side should take a gander here and he should be able to see why I drew these parallels. As far as I can see, it IS on topic, and you are one of the few people from the other sides continuing the debate over here.

Exactly. 1st gen TL, which is a 3rd gen Inspire, shares nothing but the rear sway bar with any Accord. First and second gen Inspires, however, share plenty more parts, although mainly with the Vigor (because at that point, the Vigor and Inspires were almost identical), and nowhere near as much as the fourth gen Inspire, which is the second gen TL. Here's a quote from your OWN source of info, JoeRockt. Like I said in an earlier post, maybe you should learn to read:

Adult classes are offered at your local community college.

~Cheers~

spooky3ce

The Honda Accord Inspire was only until 1994 if i remember correctly... Which was the Acura Vigor here in the US. The Honda Inspire in 1995 dropped all relations with the Accord (Except the rear sway bars as Go90go stated). So, as your link to wikipedia states "This Vigor was a departure in itself–whereas 1980s Vigors were badge-engineered Accords, from this generation on the Vigor moved upmarket and received its own platform.

BTW: I am strictly against any bashing on both parts of this forum. I am ashamed to say that one of our 1st Gen members presented his opinion in a manner where it might have been misunderstood or might have offended someone on the other side of the forum. But I am more ashamed and have lost a bit of respect to see that the other side of the forum was not intelligent enough to correct him in a polite manner but instead insulted him and tried to do the same as he had done in return.

Just a saying that fits right in with this situation would be: Mas pendejo es el que le ase caso a un pendejo...



With that said... and in the words of Rodney King... "Why can't we all just get along?"

Lets squash this and lets talk about how great our cars are and what a great company Honda/Acura is for letting us admire their designs from the Honda Fit all the way to the Accord to the RL's and NSX's etc...

Now with that said...

Here's our favorite bouncy Honda Girl

InTerSX

First, I am a TSX owner, and sort of feel guilty for posting in this thread. I don't want to add fuel to the fire. But I think you are all being ridiculous.

People spend a lot of money on their cars. People have different tastes. People buy what they like. And people on this forum obviously care enough about there cars to spend time talking about them and/or working on them. One of the rules of psychology is the harder you work for something the more perceived value you place in it.

Since we all put so much value in our cars we obviously don't like when people talk crap about them. So don't do it.

Every one has different wants and goals. Every one has a different budget.

DISCLAIMER PERSONAL OPINION:
I would never drive a TL. I think they are great cars, and would recommend any Acura to a friend in a hear beat, but its not what I am looking for in a car. At the Time the TSX had what I wanted. Some refinement, some sport and a price I could afford for a new car, which was important to me. I could not have afforded a TL new, but thats not a bad thing. I am young and consider myself very fortunate to have the vehicle I have at my age.

I don't think the TSX is a perfect car.
I don't think there is such a thing as a perfect car.

I do think the TSX is, right now, the prefect choice for me.

But I think every driver has a right to enjoy their purchase and their car with out slander, or abuse. This site is not about dividing line between models, it is about creating connections between car lovers, regardless of the model.

More specifically I think this community has the right to expect well intentioned threads and adult responses. Any other activity will simply drive away users and create bigger rifts.


But I wont hold my breath.

Go90go

Haven't seen that one in awhile!

I'm glad that you have found a car that suits you.

Anyhow, for those of you who didn't know, this whole thing started with the post below. A shameless bash on another vehicle by a TSX guy. No one seems to remember that one, but they remember mine (Click here for my response):

That is what set this off.

~Cheers~

triggerc

I don't think anyone here said the TSX was a bad car, in fact, everyone thinks it's a great car. The debate was about whether the TSX qualifies as a luxury car. If anything, there were way more 1st gen TL bashing than anything, so I don't think we're being ridiculous here.

I don't mind this discussion at all, but just keep the insults to a minimum, or none at all. As Ghandi said, an eye for an eye and the world will be blind.

InTerSX

I wasn't trying to defend the tsx, I was just using my own personal example to attempt to illustrate the point that no one should be bashing anyones car. Not to mention personal insults.

Go90go

That was the point I was originally trying to get across in the other thread. The guy said the Lincoln wasn't a luxury car in his book, and as a retort, I said the TSX wasn't one in mine. Difference is, I gave reasons to back up my claim. I like TSXs, just last night, I complimented my friend's TSX on how nice it sounded leaving a stop sign. Basically, as triggerc has pointed out, we (TL side) never said the TSX was not a good car. However, the TSX side, (wackura, mainly) had specifically said that the 1G is a "compromise of a car", amongst other things. See who's going off on tangents?

~Cheers~