Inspire or saber..??? 2.5 or 3.2???????
02-16-2010, 10:55 AM
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Inspire or saber..??? 2.5 or 3.2???????
I was wondering in japan i know the TL's there are called inspire and saber. So my question is which one is which..? is the Inspire the 2.5 and the saber a 3.2..?? Or is it the other way around..? I need to know cuz my GF is going to get me some stuff from japan.. Thanxxxx
02-16-2010, 11:45 AM
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From WIKI:
The Vigor/Saber and the Inspire were the same car sold at different retail channels in Japan, known as Honda Clio, Verno and Primo stores.
In 1995 the Inspire was updated by the second generation model, on a platform it shared with the Honda Legend, and exported to the US as the Acura 3.2 TL, while the Vigor nameplate was replaced with the Honda Saber. The longitudinal 2.5 L straight-5 engine layout and platform remained and was sold as the Acura 2.5 TL.
In 1995 the Inspire was updated by the second generation model, on a platform it shared with the Honda Legend, and exported to the US as the Acura 3.2 TL, while the Vigor nameplate was replaced with the Honda Saber. The longitudinal 2.5 L straight-5 engine layout and platform remained and was sold as the Acura 2.5 TL.
Also called
Honda Vigor (1989–1995)
Honda Sabre (1995–2003)
Acura TL (1995–2002)
Honda Accord (2003–present)
Honda Vigor (1989–1995)
Honda Sabre (1995–2003)
Acura TL (1995–2002)
Honda Accord (2003–present)
02-16-2010, 11:45 AM
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Inspire and Saber came in all three engine variations: 2.0, 2.5, and 3.2. It was dependent on the dealer network you went to, and whether you wanted the luxurious one (Inspire) or the sporty one (Saber). All USDM 2.5s and 3.2s are actually Sabers, and just about everything from a Saber is identical except for the H.
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P.S. Haha, same posted time! Anyhow, my post > Wiki.
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P.S. Haha, same posted time! Anyhow, my post > Wiki.
02-16-2010, 11:48 AM
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Oh, if your girl can find it, which I doubt because I haven't even seen hosts available recently, look for the UA2 Inspire knuckles. Get all four IMMEDIATELY if you can find it. You'll see why when you find it.
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02-16-2010, 12:08 PM
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^^^My gf is goin to be gone for 3 yrs... and am saveing up money now so i can go see her in the summer..... the reason i asked that question is beacuse she wants to get me the inspire lip, rear wing, side visors and folding mirrors... She knew ive been wanting this stuff for a long time already so she said not to worry and she will get it for me all she needs to have is the right info for her to get me thoes parts...
As for the inspire knuckles that sounds really intresting... Ill make sure to keep and eye out for them when i go to japan in the summer.. But right now am thinking what could be different about them...
As for the inspire knuckles that sounds really intresting... Ill make sure to keep and eye out for them when i go to japan in the summer.. But right now am thinking what could be different about them...
02-16-2010, 12:09 PM
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Go90Go what do you mean by Inspire Knuckles?
Piggy backing off what Go90go said:
It is also my understanding that the differentiator between the Inspire and the Saber was the clear turn signals in the front and the clear turn signals in the rear tail lights. Outside of that everything else was the same except for the name.
So pretty much if you want a "JDM" Saber keep your car bone stock and just buy a Saber badge and a few Honda emblems and Viola! "JDM Honda Saber"
Piggy backing off what Go90go said:
It is also my understanding that the differentiator between the Inspire and the Saber was the clear turn signals in the front and the clear turn signals in the rear tail lights. Outside of that everything else was the same except for the name.
So pretty much if you want a "JDM" Saber keep your car bone stock and just buy a Saber badge and a few Honda emblems and Viola! "JDM Honda Saber"
02-16-2010, 12:22 PM
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^^^ lol.. yeah plus if i were to go that way id want to change the steering wheel for a honda inspire one..
the reason i asked it beasues am after the inspire lip, side visors, rear wing and folding mirrors.. lol And she is not really familiar with car parts but i know for a fact if i give her the right info she can get me that stuff... also she has seen all the parts i want so she kinda has an idea in wat to get but i rather be safe and point her in the right direction
the reason i asked it beasues am after the inspire lip, side visors, rear wing and folding mirrors.. lol And she is not really familiar with car parts but i know for a fact if i give her the right info she can get me that stuff... also she has seen all the parts i want so she kinda has an idea in wat to get but i rather be safe and point her in the right direction
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02-16-2010, 01:49 PM
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Inspire and Saber came in all three engine variations: 2.0, 2.5, and 3.2. It was dependent on the dealer network you went to, and whether you wanted the luxurious one (Inspire) or the sporty one (Saber). All USDM 2.5s and 3.2s are actually Sabers, and just about everything from a Saber is identical except for the H.
~Cheers~
P.S. Haha, same posted time! Anyhow, my post > Wiki.
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P.S. Haha, same posted time! Anyhow, my post > Wiki.
I was actually kind of taken away by the question and had to look it up, I got curious myself.
02-16-2010, 03:55 PM
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^^^My gf is goin to be gone for 3 yrs... and am saveing up money now so i can go see her in the summer..... the reason i asked that question is beacuse she wants to get me the inspire lip, rear wing, side visors and folding mirrors... She knew ive been wanting this stuff for a long time already so she said not to worry and she will get it for me all she needs to have is the right info for her to get me thoes parts...
As for the inspire knuckles that sounds really intresting... Ill make sure to keep and eye out for them when i go to japan in the summer.. But right now am thinking what could be different about them...
As for the inspire knuckles that sounds really intresting... Ill make sure to keep and eye out for them when i go to japan in the summer.. But right now am thinking what could be different about them...
Go90Go what do you mean by Inspire Knuckles?
Piggy backing off what Go90go said:
It is also my understanding that the differentiator between the Inspire and the Saber was the clear turn signals in the front and the clear turn signals in the rear tail lights. Outside of that everything else was the same except for the name.
So pretty much if you want a "JDM" Saber keep your car bone stock and just buy a Saber badge and a few Honda emblems and Viola! "JDM Honda Saber"
Piggy backing off what Go90go said:
It is also my understanding that the differentiator between the Inspire and the Saber was the clear turn signals in the front and the clear turn signals in the rear tail lights. Outside of that everything else was the same except for the name.
So pretty much if you want a "JDM" Saber keep your car bone stock and just buy a Saber badge and a few Honda emblems and Viola! "JDM Honda Saber"
Here's the brochure shot for the Saber:
Thanks!
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02-16-2010, 10:15 PM
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^^^My gf is goin to be gone for 3 yrs... and am saveing up money now so i can go see her in the summer..... the reason i asked that question is beacuse she wants to get me the inspire lip, rear wing, side visors and folding mirrors... She knew ive been wanting this stuff for a long time already so she said not to worry and she will get it for me all she needs to have is the right info for her to get me thoes parts...
As for the inspire knuckles that sounds really intresting... Ill make sure to keep and eye out for them when i go to japan in the summer.. But right now am thinking what could be different about them...
As for the inspire knuckles that sounds really intresting... Ill make sure to keep and eye out for them when i go to japan in the summer.. But right now am thinking what could be different about them...
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02-17-2010, 11:27 AM
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yeah also those stocks are really not that great looking.. lol..
Yeah ive never been to japan or on a plane.. lol.. So hopefulling i have enough money saved up to go in the summer.. Yeah i wana spend some time with my GF and her new skyline and do some shopping for my car..
Yeah places to go get TL parts would be really helpfull
and a load of my shoulders lol...!!! cuz i dont have no idea were to go and id be spending alot of time looking places up on were to go like junkyards shops stuff like that...lol so id spend more time looking up places then id do going to places and getting TL parts.. lol
02-17-2010, 02:41 PM
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Think of Inspire and Saber as trim levels.
Both the 3.2 and the 2.5 came in Saber and Inspire models.
Sabers had different wheels, and orange signals in the front like in the picture and orange signals in the rear tail lights. Like Go90go said ALL USDM TLs are Sabers. Both the 3.2 and the 2.5.
Inspires had the clear signals in the front and clear signals in the tail lights and some additional accessories like the door sills and front lip for the 2.5. You can get a 3rd brake light that says Saber on it on ebay.
So simple sum up:
Your car bone stock either 3.2 or 2.5 = Saber. The only mod you need to do to have a JDM Saber is buy Saber badges, get some H emblems and replace your front grille with the one with an H on it.
Replace your orange signals in the front of your car with the clear ones and replace the orange signaled tail lights with the clear ones buy some Inspire badges and bam you now have an Inspire. 2.5 or 3.2 doesnt matter.
Orange signals = Saber. Clear signals = Inspire
Inspire/Saber denoted the appearance of the vehicle cosmetically. Not whether or not you got a 3.2 or a 2.5. Also like Go90go was saying it also depended on where you bought the car from the different dealerships.
I hope this clears it up. Back me up Go90go and please correct me if I am mistaken. Lol.
Both the 3.2 and the 2.5 came in Saber and Inspire models.
Sabers had different wheels, and orange signals in the front like in the picture and orange signals in the rear tail lights. Like Go90go said ALL USDM TLs are Sabers. Both the 3.2 and the 2.5.
Inspires had the clear signals in the front and clear signals in the tail lights and some additional accessories like the door sills and front lip for the 2.5. You can get a 3rd brake light that says Saber on it on ebay.
So simple sum up:
Your car bone stock either 3.2 or 2.5 = Saber. The only mod you need to do to have a JDM Saber is buy Saber badges, get some H emblems and replace your front grille with the one with an H on it.
Replace your orange signals in the front of your car with the clear ones and replace the orange signaled tail lights with the clear ones buy some Inspire badges and bam you now have an Inspire. 2.5 or 3.2 doesnt matter.
Orange signals = Saber. Clear signals = Inspire
Inspire/Saber denoted the appearance of the vehicle cosmetically. Not whether or not you got a 3.2 or a 2.5. Also like Go90go was saying it also depended on where you bought the car from the different dealerships.
I hope this clears it up. Back me up Go90go and please correct me if I am mistaken. Lol.
02-17-2010, 04:37 PM
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^^^^ i modded my 3rd brake light already.. lol... look at my last pix thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/1g-tl-photograph-gallery-102/last-pix-763307/
Like what i have in mind was try to get everything mugen. but if i cant find them then i want the jdm parts.. and as for badgeing the TL again idk i might just leave it without badges like i have it now... Do you think the mugen parts will be hard to find in japan.??
right now what i have jdm is
-Mugen Grill
-Inspire Taillights
this is the lip i want to get.
https://acurazine.com/forums/1g-tl-1996-1998-101/2-5-tl-lip-759761/
This is the lip i wish i could get
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...79145584981720
https://acurazine.com/forums/1g-tl-photograph-gallery-102/last-pix-763307/
Like what i have in mind was try to get everything mugen. but if i cant find them then i want the jdm parts.. and as for badgeing the TL again idk i might just leave it without badges like i have it now... Do you think the mugen parts will be hard to find in japan.??
right now what i have jdm is
-Mugen Grill
-Inspire Taillights
this is the lip i want to get.
https://acurazine.com/forums/1g-tl-1996-1998-101/2-5-tl-lip-759761/
This is the lip i wish i could get
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...79145584981720
02-17-2010, 08:30 PM
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Actually, IIRC, the Saber 32Vs didn't have navi while Inspire 32Vs did. Again, it's more towards lux in the Inspire and sports in the Saber, hence the cursive font for the Inspire and the sharper font for the Saber. Don't forget that the clear Inspire lights still had the amber cap to meet with Japanese law on tri-colour taillights. Here's an example of JDM Camaro tails:
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02-17-2010, 10:59 PM
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Yeah I have the OEM(JDM) lip from the post you listed.
For the Mugen lip on ebay the title says 3.2 Mugen lip, but the product description says it came off a right hand drive UA2. UA2 means its a 2.5 I thought.
I remember ELA.TL or whatever his name was. He had the Mugen front lip on his car. Bought it from a guy in Texas, I was able to snag his GAB strut bar. Lol.
I think that Mugen lip might fit your car man. Send the seller a question and double check if it came off of a 3.2 or a 2.5 model. Could be your wish come true!
For the Mugen lip on ebay the title says 3.2 Mugen lip, but the product description says it came off a right hand drive UA2. UA2 means its a 2.5 I thought.
I remember ELA.TL or whatever his name was. He had the Mugen front lip on his car. Bought it from a guy in Texas, I was able to snag his GAB strut bar. Lol.
I think that Mugen lip might fit your car man. Send the seller a question and double check if it came off of a 3.2 or a 2.5 model. Could be your wish come true!
^^^^ i modded my 3rd brake light already.. lol... look at my last pix thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=763307
Like what i have in mind was try to get everything mugen. but if i cant find them then i want the jdm parts.. and as for badgeing the TL again idk i might just leave it without badges like i have it now... Do you think the mugen parts will be hard to find in japan.??
right now what i have jdm is
-Mugen Grill
-Inspire Taillights
this is the lip i want to get.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759761
This is the lip i wish i could get
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...79145584981720
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=763307
Like what i have in mind was try to get everything mugen. but if i cant find them then i want the jdm parts.. and as for badgeing the TL again idk i might just leave it without badges like i have it now... Do you think the mugen parts will be hard to find in japan.??
right now what i have jdm is
-Mugen Grill
-Inspire Taillights
this is the lip i want to get.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759761
This is the lip i wish i could get
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...79145584981720
02-17-2010, 11:19 PM
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02-17-2010, 11:35 PM
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UA1s are the models with the 2.0L
UA2s are all the models with the 2.5L
UA3s are all the models with the 3.2L
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104429
UA2s are all the models with the 2.5L
UA3s are all the models with the 3.2L
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104429
02-18-2010, 12:15 AM
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are all usdm 2.5 tl the 25s in japan?
25S (UA2)
Displacement: G25A 2.5L (2,451cm3)
Power: 190PS/6,500rpm
Torque: 24.2kgm/3,800rpm
Fuel Economy: 10.2km/L
Bore × Stroke: 85.0mm × 86.4mm
Compression Ratio: 10.0 (unleaded premium gasoline)
25G, 25XG (UA2)
Displacement: G25A 2.5L (2,451cm3)
Power: 180PS/6,500rpm
Torque: 23.0kgm/3,800rpm
Fuel Economy: 10.2km/L
Bore × Stroke: 85.0mm × 86.4mm
Compression Ratio: 9.3 (unleaded regular gasoline)
25S (UA2)
Displacement: G25A 2.5L (2,451cm3)
Power: 190PS/6,500rpm
Torque: 24.2kgm/3,800rpm
Fuel Economy: 10.2km/L
Bore × Stroke: 85.0mm × 86.4mm
Compression Ratio: 10.0 (unleaded premium gasoline)
25G, 25XG (UA2)
Displacement: G25A 2.5L (2,451cm3)
Power: 180PS/6,500rpm
Torque: 23.0kgm/3,800rpm
Fuel Economy: 10.2km/L
Bore × Stroke: 85.0mm × 86.4mm
Compression Ratio: 9.3 (unleaded regular gasoline)
02-18-2010, 12:37 AM
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No, because of output. The 2.5TLs had 176HP, which is what the 25Gs would output if they had US emissions equipment. 180PS is about 178HP.
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P.S. Besides, 25S' came with a lip,
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P.S. Besides, 25S' came with a lip,
.
02-18-2010, 02:27 PM
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Yeah I have the OEM(JDM) lip from the post you listed.
For the Mugen lip on ebay the title says 3.2 Mugen lip, but the product description says it came off a right hand drive UA2. UA2 means its a 2.5 I thought.
I remember ELA.TL or whatever his name was. He had the Mugen front lip on his car. Bought it from a guy in Texas, I was able to snag his GAB strut bar. Lol.
I think that Mugen lip might fit your car man. Send the seller a question and double check if it came off of a 3.2 or a 2.5 model. Could be your wish come true!
For the Mugen lip on ebay the title says 3.2 Mugen lip, but the product description says it came off a right hand drive UA2. UA2 means its a 2.5 I thought.
I remember ELA.TL or whatever his name was. He had the Mugen front lip on his car. Bought it from a guy in Texas, I was able to snag his GAB strut bar. Lol.
I think that Mugen lip might fit your car man. Send the seller a question and double check if it came off of a 3.2 or a 2.5 model. Could be your wish come true!
When i looked it up mugen was only for the 2.5 not the 3.2. so if its a mugen lip it has to fit my 2.5.... but that guy is asking 400 bucks for it thats way to dam much...!!!!!! oooo u have that inspire lip...??? let me see a pic...??? yeah thats the lip am after too.. lol
02-18-2010, 02:55 PM
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He is asking an insane amount for that Mugen lip. And I thought for sure that the Mugen was only for the 2.5 too but got a little mixed up with his description. I havent been on this forum in a long time and havent been in the mod game forever so I dont remember alot of the aftermarket shit I used to know lol.
You have already seen my lip lol. Click on the thread you posted earlier and you will see my car. You even commented on the grille.
My pics are with the JDM Inspire Lip. Not a modified Accord lip. I bought it from an old member here who lived in Hawaii.
I got new wheels and I am going to lower my car again and post pics up of all my JDM stuff later this month.
You have already seen my lip lol. Click on the thread you posted earlier and you will see my car. You even commented on the grille.
My pics are with the JDM Inspire Lip. Not a modified Accord lip. I bought it from an old member here who lived in Hawaii.
I got new wheels and I am going to lower my car again and post pics up of all my JDM stuff later this month.
^^^^ i modded my 3rd brake light already.. lol... look at my last pix thread
this is the lip i want to get.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759761
this is the lip i want to get.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759761
Last edited by 982.5TL; 02-18-2010 at 02:57 PM.
02-18-2010, 02:55 PM
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Mugen was only for the UA1 and 2.
I posted pics of the factory lip in another thread, and the reason you should get the whole knuckles, but I can't find it so here's another one:
By the way, what city is your GF in? Also, believe me when I tell you that it's not that easy to grab parts to bring back, and be prepare to fork out a LOT of money to ship things.
~Cheers~
I posted pics of the factory lip in another thread, and the reason you should get the whole knuckles, but I can't find it so here's another one:
By the way, what city is your GF in? Also, believe me when I tell you that it's not that easy to grab parts to bring back, and be prepare to fork out a LOT of money to ship things.
~Cheers~
02-18-2010, 03:27 PM
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Mugen was only for the UA1 and 2.
I posted pics of the factory lip in another thread, and the reason you should get the whole knuckles, but I can't find it so here's another one:
By the way, what city is your GF in? Also, believe me when I tell you that it's not that easy to grab parts to bring back, and be prepare to fork out a LOT of money to ship things.
~Cheers~
I posted pics of the factory lip in another thread, and the reason you should get the whole knuckles, but I can't find it so here's another one:
By the way, what city is your GF in? Also, believe me when I tell you that it's not that easy to grab parts to bring back, and be prepare to fork out a LOT of money to ship things.
~Cheers~
02-19-2010, 12:26 AM
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it must be me only but i don't like the design of the mugen lip. i don't like how there is a gap in the middle. now if they didn't make the gap then i think it would look much nicer. then again if they did that, it would almost like the 3.2s.
02-19-2010, 04:12 PM
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He is asking an insane amount for that Mugen lip. And I thought for sure that the Mugen was only for the 2.5 too but got a little mixed up with his description. I havent been on this forum in a long time and havent been in the mod game forever so I dont remember alot of the aftermarket shit I used to know lol.
You have already seen my lip lol. Click on the thread you posted earlier and you will see my car. You even commented on the grille.
My pics are with the JDM Inspire Lip. Not a modified Accord lip. I bought it from an old member here who lived in Hawaii.
I got new wheels and I am going to lower my car again and post pics up of all my JDM stuff later this month.
You have already seen my lip lol. Click on the thread you posted earlier and you will see my car. You even commented on the grille.
My pics are with the JDM Inspire Lip. Not a modified Accord lip. I bought it from an old member here who lived in Hawaii.
I got new wheels and I am going to lower my car again and post pics up of all my JDM stuff later this month.
02-19-2010, 04:18 PM
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Mugen was only for the UA1 and 2.
I posted pics of the factory lip in another thread, and the reason you should get the whole knuckles, but I can't find it so here's another one:
By the way, what city is your GF in? Also, believe me when I tell you that it's not that easy to grab parts to bring back, and be prepare to fork out a LOT of money to ship things.
~Cheers~
I posted pics of the factory lip in another thread, and the reason you should get the whole knuckles, but I can't find it so here's another one:
By the way, what city is your GF in? Also, believe me when I tell you that it's not that easy to grab parts to bring back, and be prepare to fork out a LOT of money to ship things.
~Cheers~
02-19-2010, 07:59 PM
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I've got eibach sportline springs stock shocks. I live in FL.
Thats the first 2.5 ive seen with 5 lug. I never knew they came like that. Lol.
Thats a good question about using the 3.2 knuckles. If that is possible im going to kick myself in the ass for not doing that mod. There are so many wheels available with 5 lulg patterns. Oh well I'm happy with the wheels I have. For now. lol
Thats the first 2.5 ive seen with 5 lug. I never knew they came like that. Lol.
Thats a good question about using the 3.2 knuckles. If that is possible im going to kick myself in the ass for not doing that mod. There are so many wheels available with 5 lulg patterns. Oh well I'm happy with the wheels I have. For now. lol
02-19-2010, 08:38 PM
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I had it lowered for over 2 years though before going back to stock height.
I had to sell my wheels to get some cash and went back to stock height because I went back to stock wheels and had to do a lot of highway driving several days a week and didnt want to risk any road debris destroying my lip haha.