Are the 2.5's THAT much slower than the 3.2's?
08-09-2005, 11:59 PM
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I'm very well aware that they both start in 1st gear, that's why I said it logically doesn't seem right.
08-10-2005, 12:00 AM
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Haha, I don't have a hood like that, I just wanted to see if you would believe me 
Mine is stock except for clear corners, a light tint on part of the tail lights, and a effed up rear bumper.
I've got a carputer install on the inside though, thats worth bragging about.
Mine is stock except for clear corners, a light tint on part of the tail lights, and a effed up rear bumper.
I've got a carputer install on the inside though, thats worth bragging about.
08-10-2005, 12:58 AM
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with all this shifting... might as well get a second gen... ***hinting on 2nd Gen Tranny***
Spooky who wonders how many tranny threads will i see in the next year or two here in the 1st Gen Section???
08-10-2005, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KADAW
i want to do a carputer, got a pic of that, or ur pulling me around again? hah
08-10-2005, 02:41 PM
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I like the 2.5's higher revving engine... but I love torquey V6 more.
But really, I don't think the 3.2's are that great. We get 18 mpg and the car's barely faster than the 2.5. The 3.2 wins only because of comfort/features that the 2.5 doesn't have.
But really, I don't think the 3.2's are that great. We get 18 mpg and the car's barely faster than the 2.5. The 3.2 wins only because of comfort/features that the 2.5 doesn't have.
08-10-2005, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wackjum
I get 23 mpg easy with a 3.2. That's a mix of highway and driving.
Check your tire pressure and get rid of the stock air filter. That thing is dense as heck.
Check your tire pressure and get rid of the stock air filter. That thing is dense as heck.
no way, Highway AND Driving?!
haha that just seemed funny to me...
you probabbly meant highway and city driving...
Im still trying to find a dropin airfilter from k&n for my 96 2.5...can any1 link me?
08-10-2005, 02:57 PM
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Yes, I did mean city driving.
http://www.carxccessory.com/kanc-33-2267.html $39.00
Considering the factory one is 18 something, this isn't a bad deal at all.
http://www.carxccessory.com/kanc-33-2267.html $39.00
Considering the factory one is 18 something, this isn't a bad deal at all.
08-10-2005, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wackjum
Yes, I did mean city driving.
http://www.carxccessory.com/kanc-33-2267.html $39.00
Considering the factory one is 18 something, this isn't a bad deal at all.
http://www.carxccessory.com/kanc-33-2267.html $39.00
Considering the factory one is 18 something, this isn't a bad deal at all.
08-10-2005, 03:14 PM
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There was an Edmunds review that said the 97 3.2 couldn't keep up with the 97 ES300.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...6/article.html
I've never put this to the test. But I did beat up on an Infiniti J30 a while back. I remember posting my story on this board.
Can you tell us more about your 2.5 vs ES300 experience? I'm always curious to see how our cars stack up to the other stuff out on the road.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...6/article.html
I've never put this to the test. But I did beat up on an Infiniti J30 a while back. I remember posting my story on this board.
Can you tell us more about your 2.5 vs ES300 experience? I'm always curious to see how our cars stack up to the other stuff out on the road.
08-10-2005, 04:08 PM
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I test drove the ES300, it was just as fast as the 3.2 TL
08-10-2005, 04:16 PM
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I assume that when you guys are comparing 2.5's vs 3.2's, you guys are talking about the TL-P right?
I would assume the 3.2 in the TL-S would be much faster than the 2.5s...
Or atleast I'd hope so.. considering I paid more for the tiny little red S on the trunk.
I mean come on.. that badge has to give me atleast an extra 20 hp.
I would assume the 3.2 in the TL-S would be much faster than the 2.5s...
Or atleast I'd hope so.. considering I paid more for the tiny little red S on the trunk.
I mean come on.. that badge has to give me atleast an extra 20 hp.
08-10-2005, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
I assume that when you guys are comparing 2.5's vs 3.2's, you guys are talking about the TL-P right?
I would assume the 3.2 in the TL-S would be much faster than the 2.5s...
Or atleast I'd hope so.. considering I paid more for the tiny little red S on the trunk.
I mean come on.. that badge has to give me atleast an extra 20 hp.
I would assume the 3.2 in the TL-S would be much faster than the 2.5s...
Or atleast I'd hope so.. considering I paid more for the tiny little red S on the trunk.
I mean come on.. that badge has to give me atleast an extra 20 hp.
The 2.5 is a very sporty engine and very underrated from the factory. Instead of 176 hp, its closer to 190. It also weighs 100 to 150 pounds less.. and has slightly more aggressive gearing.
The 3.2 motor is more luxurious, underrated by 5 to 10 hp at the most.
The difference is not THAT big, especially compared to say a 2nd gen TL-P verses a TL Type S. 35 hp with minimal weight change.
08-10-2005, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wackjum
There was an Edmunds review that said the 97 3.2 couldn't keep up with the 97 ES300.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...6/article.html
I've never put this to the test. But I did beat up on an Infiniti J30 a while back. I remember posting my story on this board.
Can you tell us more about your 2.5 vs ES300 experience? I'm always curious to see how our cars stack up to the other stuff out on the road.
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...6/article.html
I've never put this to the test. But I did beat up on an Infiniti J30 a while back. I remember posting my story on this board.
Can you tell us more about your 2.5 vs ES300 experience? I'm always curious to see how our cars stack up to the other stuff out on the road.
08-10-2005, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
I assume that when you guys are comparing 2.5's vs 3.2's, you guys are talking about the TL-P right?
I would assume the 3.2 in the TL-S would be much faster than the 2.5s...
Or atleast I'd hope so.. considering I paid more for the tiny little red S on the trunk.
I mean come on.. that badge has to give me atleast an extra 20 hp.
I would assume the 3.2 in the TL-S would be much faster than the 2.5s...
Or atleast I'd hope so.. considering I paid more for the tiny little red S on the trunk.
I mean come on.. that badge has to give me atleast an extra 20 hp.
08-11-2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wackjum
Yes, I did mean city driving.
http://www.carxccessory.com/kanc-33-2267.html $39.00
Considering the factory one is 18 something, this isn't a bad deal at all.
http://www.carxccessory.com/kanc-33-2267.html $39.00
Considering the factory one is 18 something, this isn't a bad deal at all.
thank you wackjun, youre the man.
08-11-2005, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
Now, the question is how much better does the 2.5 handle?
Does it take corners faster? Probably, but not by a huge margin. It is just a sportier driving experience.The 3.2 leans a little more, but smooths out the bumps a bit better.
08-11-2005, 09:30 PM
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my 2.5 handles like a dream in my opinon, you guys are probabbly gonna flame me because you hate hearing stories of teens speeding, but it handles great at 90+ even 100+ mph.
08-11-2005, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DJBLAST
my 2.5 handles like a dream in my opinon, you guys are probabbly gonna flame me because you hate hearing stories of teens speeding, but it handles great at 90+ even 100+ mph.
I'll admit though, it is easy to comfortably cruise at 90+ on the highway, it happens a lot near me, and other than the wind noise, things are great.
08-11-2005, 09:47 PM
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Car rides smoothly 85+ mph, windnoise is my only complaint. Its not bad normally, only crosswinds seem to really come through in my case.
08-11-2005, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Car rides smoothly 85+ mph, windnoise is my only complaint. Its not bad normally, only crosswinds seem to really come through in my case.
I was going to try and fix the noise this summer, had a TSB printed out from the dealership and everything, it just seemed like a whole lot of work, and I never got around to it.
08-11-2005, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackShadow
Are you guys talking about the 95-98 2.5 vs. the 3.2? Or the 3.2 from the second generation (99-03)?
08-12-2005, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Car rides smoothly 85+ mph, windnoise is my only complaint. Its not bad normally, only crosswinds seem to really come through in my case.
oh my god the windnoise its like a giant is farting pointblank into your windshield.
08-12-2005, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DJBLAST
oh my god the windnoise its like a giant is farting pointblank into your windshield.
Damn.. not for me..
08-12-2005, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DJBLAST
my 2.5 handles like a dream in my opinon, you guys are probabbly gonna flame me because you hate hearing stories of teens speeding, but it handles great at 90+ even 100+ mph.
I've been up to 120 MPh on my 2.5 and it rides just as well as it would at 60 MPH. no shaking or anything. it's great. it's just really hard to steer/keep straight at such a fast speed. i don't recommend going 120, it's scary as shit. but seriously, no shaking of any sort. i was surprised.
08-12-2005, 01:30 AM
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Honestly, I think (from my little experience with the 2.5 TL-P and my own 3.2 TL-P).. I think the 2.5 is definitely more sporty than the 3.2 even with the slight hp disadvantage. The 2.5's engine and lighter body just make it a better performer... (except on the straights, from what it seems).
Here's what I think of both:
Accel 0-60: Tied - the 2.5 kicks earlier and the 3.2 makes its push later on
Accel rolling start from idle-60: 3.2 - it'll just take off if you time it right
1/4 mile: Um...? Can't say from experience
Dry road handling: 2.5 - the body roll you feel on the 3.2 is terrible; 2.5 can take corners faster
Wet road handing: 3.2 - the 3.2 just feels like it's planted to the roads better, the 2.5 just feels to uneasy
Engine predictability: 2.5 - the 2.5 obeys, the 3.2 is fussy at times (for me anyway)
But this is just me of course, from the used 2.5 available at my local Acura dealship. A guy there lets met drive it whenever I'm there (he's got a 3.2 2nd gen) and is really nice. He lets me push it to the limit and everything... guess that's the advantage of being one of the better salesmen.
Here's what I think of both:
Accel 0-60: Tied - the 2.5 kicks earlier and the 3.2 makes its push later on
Accel rolling start from idle-60: 3.2 - it'll just take off if you time it right
1/4 mile: Um...? Can't say from experience
Dry road handling: 2.5 - the body roll you feel on the 3.2 is terrible; 2.5 can take corners faster
Wet road handing: 3.2 - the 3.2 just feels like it's planted to the roads better, the 2.5 just feels to uneasy
Engine predictability: 2.5 - the 2.5 obeys, the 3.2 is fussy at times (for me anyway)
But this is just me of course, from the used 2.5 available at my local Acura dealship. A guy there lets met drive it whenever I'm there (he's got a 3.2 2nd gen) and is really nice. He lets me push it to the limit and everything... guess that's the advantage of being one of the better salesmen.
08-12-2005, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KADAW
i would think in WOT , an auto would change it when ur close or at redline so no need to be 'shifting' back n forth.. right? like so when am' at a light and im going to wot it anyway y put it in 1st n shit to 2nd at redline when the car dose it anyway ..? juss a thought my 3cents. ??
08-12-2005, 08:07 AM
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Yes, but manually shifting the tranny you can go OVER the redline to get a little extra. Go to a few hundred over and shift up, this means when it hits, it is at a higher RPM and higher in the HP and Torque band giving you a little bit more of a "hit" when it shifts.
well i didnt think one would need to go over the redline in a pretty much stock car, unless u were to mod or um swap an engine! hah Hows that coming along?? Think i should swith my engine with my stepbrother's legend?
08-13-2005, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Vincent
Honestly, I think (from my little experience with the 2.5 TL-P and my own 3.2 TL-P).. I think the 2.5 is definitely more sporty than the 3.2 even with the slight hp disadvantage. The 2.5's engine and lighter body just make it a better performer... (except on the straights, from what it seems).
Here's what I think of both:
Accel 0-60: Tied - the 2.5 kicks earlier and the 3.2 makes its push later on
Accel rolling start from idle-60: 3.2 - it'll just take off if you time it right
1/4 mile: Um...? Can't say from experience
Dry road handling: 2.5 - the body roll you feel on the 3.2 is terrible; 2.5 can take corners faster
Wet road handing: 3.2 - the 3.2 just feels like it's planted to the roads better, the 2.5 just feels to uneasy
Engine predictability: 2.5 - the 2.5 obeys, the 3.2 is fussy at times (for me anyway)
But this is just me of course, from the used 2.5 available at my local Acura dealship. A guy there lets met drive it whenever I'm there (he's got a 3.2 2nd gen) and is really nice. He lets me push it to the limit and everything... guess that's the advantage of being one of the better salesmen.
Here's what I think of both:
Accel 0-60: Tied - the 2.5 kicks earlier and the 3.2 makes its push later on
Accel rolling start from idle-60: 3.2 - it'll just take off if you time it right
1/4 mile: Um...? Can't say from experience
Dry road handling: 2.5 - the body roll you feel on the 3.2 is terrible; 2.5 can take corners faster
Wet road handing: 3.2 - the 3.2 just feels like it's planted to the roads better, the 2.5 just feels to uneasy
Engine predictability: 2.5 - the 2.5 obeys, the 3.2 is fussy at times (for me anyway)
But this is just me of course, from the used 2.5 available at my local Acura dealship. A guy there lets met drive it whenever I'm there (he's got a 3.2 2nd gen) and is really nice. He lets me push it to the limit and everything... guess that's the advantage of being one of the better salesmen.
What do you mean by 'the 3.2 is fussy at times' ? I know my 2.5 engine does whatever the hell I want it to, does the 3.2 not or something? I've taken it to the fuel cutoff a couple of times with no hangups (I don't make a habit of this). All cylinders good compression, 196000km on it. I redline it every day though, usually multiple times. This car would be a rocket with a manual. The stupid auto sucks all the life out of the engine early on.
08-13-2005, 11:41 AM
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Hmm. Im just curious.
Im reading you guys switching your gear from D3 to D4 vice versa in the highway.
Is it ok to do that while the car is moving? The last time my brother did it on his second gen TL, his transmission kicked the bucket. Good thing there was a recall. Agreat excuse.
Im reading you guys switching your gear from D3 to D4 vice versa in the highway.
Is it ok to do that while the car is moving? The last time my brother did it on his second gen TL, his transmission kicked the bucket. Good thing there was a recall. Agreat excuse.
08-13-2005, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ysidro
Hmm. Im just curious.
Im reading you guys switching your gear from D3 to D4 vice versa in the highway.
Is it ok to do that while the car is moving? The last time my brother did it on his second gen TL, his transmission kicked the bucket. Good thing there was a recall. Agreat excuse.
Im reading you guys switching your gear from D3 to D4 vice versa in the highway.
Is it ok to do that while the car is moving? The last time my brother did it on his second gen TL, his transmission kicked the bucket. Good thing there was a recall. Agreat excuse.
Like if you were going 85+ and you go down to D3, yeah I would expect your tranny is gonna die...
If youre going 60 and down shift....its still bad, but I dont think the tranny will die out instantly...
If you pay attention, you will always know what gear your car is in, and you can move the shifter down without the tranny doing anything...
I could be wrong about all this.... input?
08-13-2005, 02:53 PM
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The car's computer prevents you from downshifting if it'll overrev
The 2nd gen TL has a far different and far less reliable transmission too...
The 2nd gen TL has a far different and far less reliable transmission too...
08-13-2005, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
The car's computer prevents you from downshifting if it'll overrev
The 2nd gen TL has a far different and far less reliable transmission too...
The 2nd gen TL has a far different and far less reliable transmission too...
It won't let you kick down to third gear if you're going too fast. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that manually selecting the maximum gear will hurt the transmission. If anything, you would overrev the engine if the computer allowed that. I simply don't see how telling an automatic transmission when to change gears hurts it.