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01-13-2005, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
Forgot I can't edited my own messages...
RDX...will be based on an all new light truck platform also the basis for the new CRV. The RDX will be the same length (181") as the current CRV. The RDX will be to the CRV what the MDX is to the Pliot. Suspension will be double wishbone front and rear. Standard 17" all season tires.
RDX...will be based on an all new light truck platform also the basis for the new CRV. The RDX will be the same length (181") as the current CRV. The RDX will be to the CRV what the MDX is to the Pliot. Suspension will be double wishbone front and rear. Standard 17" all season tires.
RDX... 5 passenager SUV only. **Powerplant is slated to be a V6. 215/220hp?
**Disclaimer...unofficial info.
01-13-2005, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 98AccordEx
THe length may be the same but the current CRV's specified length includes the rear mounted tire (CRV SE is listed as .8 inches longer due to tire cover).
SO...I guess the new light truck platform is a few (5-7") longer since the RDX does not have the exterior spare??
SO...I guess the new light truck platform is a few (5-7") longer since the RDX does not have the exterior spare??
01-13-2005, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
Continued...
RDX... 5 passenager SUV only. **Powerplant is slated to be a V6. 215/220hp?
**Disclaimer...unofficial info.
RDX... 5 passenager SUV only. **Powerplant is slated to be a V6. 215/220hp?
**Disclaimer...unofficial info.
01-13-2005, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
Continued...
RDX... 5 passenager SUV only. **Powerplant is slated to be a V6. 215/220hp?
**Disclaimer...unofficial info.
RDX... 5 passenager SUV only. **Powerplant is slated to be a V6. 215/220hp?
**Disclaimer...unofficial info.
Then you get an "unofficial" woo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course this will further confuse our discussions as HMC does not have a 215/220 HP V6 in its stable. Perhaps the 3.0V6 has been retuned to deliver more torque lower in the rpm band and that knocked down its HP rating???? Otherwise we are looking at a new smaler displacement V6???
01-13-2005, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
Somehow I bypassed my company's firewall and are able to log on to the site. Haven't been able to do that the past couple of weeks.
Anyways let me keep the post short and not get into the details you all have already seen or read about.
Some of what was written in the past no longer are valid for the present..such as IMA. Remember when the original RDX concept came out, Acura had stated the powerplant was a 200hp 2.4 liter paired with a 50hp IMA system. Sadly that configuration is no longer the case. Of course it is very diffcult to get people to talk freely about future developments and this was also to be the case. So some of the information may not be 100% correct. You will just have to form your own conclusions.
RSX... indeed may be nearing its end. MY2005 production has already been reduced by almost 25% over MY2003. Word is the RSX will no longer be imported to NA when the current cycle ends. Due to end MY07.
TSX... TSX wagon or coupe is not going to happen anytime soon if at all. Neither will there be any type of IMA system. 6 speed manual may be discontinued in the near future. Due to low demand. In its place possible CVT and SMG type transmissions.
RDX...
New luxury Sedan...
HSC...
Anyways let me keep the post short and not get into the details you all have already seen or read about.
Some of what was written in the past no longer are valid for the present..such as IMA. Remember when the original RDX concept came out, Acura had stated the powerplant was a 200hp 2.4 liter paired with a 50hp IMA system. Sadly that configuration is no longer the case. Of course it is very diffcult to get people to talk freely about future developments and this was also to be the case. So some of the information may not be 100% correct. You will just have to form your own conclusions.
RSX... indeed may be nearing its end. MY2005 production has already been reduced by almost 25% over MY2003. Word is the RSX will no longer be imported to NA when the current cycle ends. Due to end MY07.
TSX... TSX wagon or coupe is not going to happen anytime soon if at all. Neither will there be any type of IMA system. 6 speed manual may be discontinued in the near future. Due to low demand. In its place possible CVT and SMG type transmissions.
RDX...
New luxury Sedan...
HSC...
R/D is doing research on a new sedan. This rumor has been flowing around for a while now. And it seems like they got the green light. The new sedan will take over the flagship spot of the RL. The cost of the new powerplant will be shared among 3/4 different models in the Honda/Acura family.
HSC...officially gone.
01-13-2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
R/D is doing research on a new sedan. This rumor has been flowing around for a while now. And it seems like they got the green light. The new sedan will take over the flagship spot of the RL. The cost of the new powerplant will be shared among 3/4 different models in the Honda/Acura family.
HSC...officially gone.
Slightly OT question: have you heard anything about some sort of Honda/Acura annoucement in Chicago?
01-13-2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 98AccordEx
Then you get an "unofficial" woo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course this will further confuse our discussions as HMC does not have a 215/220 HP V6 in its stable. Perhaps the 3.0V6 has been retuned to deliver more torque lower in the rpm band and that knocked down its HP rating???? Otherwise we are looking at a new smaler displacement V6???
Of course this will further confuse our discussions as HMC does not have a 215/220 HP V6 in its stable. Perhaps the 3.0V6 has been retuned to deliver more torque lower in the rpm band and that knocked down its HP rating???? Otherwise we are looking at a new smaler displacement V6???
I don't have an answer to your post. All I was told is the RDX will take over where the CRV leaves off. A 6 will be used for the production RDX but do not expect it to be much over 200hp. 5-10% max over 200hp.
01-13-2005, 11:02 AM
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That's good to hear. Hmmmm, new powerplant eh? Let the V8 speculation begin.
And with it the chances of the NSX being redesigned?
Slightly OT question: have you heard anything about some sort of Honda/Acura annoucement in Chicago?
And with it the chances of the NSX being redesigned?
Slightly OT question: have you heard anything about some sort of Honda/Acura annoucement in Chicago?
01-13-2005, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
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RDX... 5 passenager SUV only. **Powerplant is slated to be a V6. 215/220hp?
RDX... 5 passenager SUV only. **Powerplant is slated to be a V6. 215/220hp?
A V6 RDX could very well have me as a buyer one day.
I feel like that RD-X intro that prov posted is a microcosm for all of Acura. Big, exciting intro with lots of sirens and lights that gets you pumped up, and them some dude who sounds like he OD'd on sedatives actually introduces the car.
HSC
Any more V8 talk?
01-13-2005, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
You know I asked that same question...what V6 are they using?
I don't have an answer to your post. All I was told is the RDX will take over where the CRV leaves off. A 6 will be used for the production RDX but do not expect it to be much over 200hp. 5-10% max over 200hp.
I don't have an answer to your post. All I was told is the RDX will take over where the CRV leaves off. A 6 will be used for the production RDX but do not expect it to be much over 200hp. 5-10% max over 200hp.
Strange. I doubt Honda would develope an all new 2.5-2.8L V6 and I doubt they would detune the 3.0L to 215 or so. Can't wait to see what happens.
To bad about the HCS too. just when everyone else is coming out with Suprcars , Honda decides to cancel their's.
01-13-2005, 12:57 PM
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Thanks justin! I had read were there was some talk about a sedan bigger then the RL with a V8.
I think Acura needs this sedan and a V8. The RL is nice but it is not a flagship in the way an S Class is or the A8. I don't think Acura needs RWD not with SH-AWD.
Not too surprised about the RSX. I've read rumors it was dead. As for the TSX, an SMG would be nice. Now I remember you saying a while back that the RDX would have a new tranny that could/would show up on the TSX after the RDX's launch.
I think Acura needs this sedan and a V8. The RL is nice but it is not a flagship in the way an S Class is or the A8. I don't think Acura needs RWD not with SH-AWD.
Not too surprised about the RSX. I've read rumors it was dead. As for the TSX, an SMG would be nice. Now I remember you saying a while back that the RDX would have a new tranny that could/would show up on the TSX after the RDX's launch.
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Bummer about the Hard Drive :-( Oh well thought it would be a long shot, but I expect it will be a common thing amongst all cars in the not to distant future...heck everything is coming down to hard drives.
As for the V6 thoughts.... I can see them tuning this bad boy for some mean torque so it gives it that big engine feel... and leave the HP figures into the 210-220 range. It is all about torque in these type of vehicles. Americans love torque, just look at the popularity of the Hemi's.
Any chance of getting funky sunroof design?
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As for the V6 thoughts.... I can see them tuning this bad boy for some mean torque so it gives it that big engine feel... and leave the HP figures into the 210-220 range. It is all about torque in these type of vehicles. Americans love torque, just look at the popularity of the Hemi's.
Any chance of getting funky sunroof design?
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01-13-2005, 02:22 PM
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Strange. I doubt Honda would develope an all new 2.5-2.8L V6 and I doubt they would detune the 3.0L to 215 or so. Can't wait to see what happens.
To bad about the HCS too. just when everyone else is coming out with Suprcars , Honda decides to cancel their's.
To bad about the HCS too. just when everyone else is coming out with Suprcars , Honda decides to cancel their's.
01-13-2005, 02:26 PM
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Hmm...that's a lot of news. I wonder if this V6 has any possibility of being small enough for an application in the TSX?
And too bad about the HSC. I was looking forward to an NSX replacement...
Thanks for the news, justin
And too bad about the HSC. I was looking forward to an NSX replacement...
Thanks for the news, justin
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Man ... I leave for lunch and The Oracle starts dropping BOMBS 
HSC ... bummer ... time to buy an NSX
V6 in RDX ... more torque is a winner, HP at 210 is plenty if the torque is about the same number
Sedan above the RL eh ... another Acura product I won't be able to afford ... hehe
I think I'll hang on to my now limited edition 6MT TSX until I device on to RDX or not to RDX ... and if I don't RDX ... Comptech S/C ... mmmm
HSC ... bummer ... time to buy an NSX
V6 in RDX ... more torque is a winner, HP at 210 is plenty if the torque is about the same number
Sedan above the RL eh ... another Acura product I won't be able to afford ... hehe
I think I'll hang on to my now limited edition 6MT TSX until I device on to RDX or not to RDX ... and if I don't RDX ... Comptech S/C ... mmmm
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Originally Posted by justinjsw
I also asked that question...their answer was a pretty blunt no.
01-13-2005, 02:56 PM
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Thanks for all the info! :thumbup:
Any mention of the coupe/roadster that we were hearing grumblings of earlier?
Honda does have smaller V6s in other markets (2.5L I believe), but I doubt they would bring that engine over here. I'm betting a J30 will be in the nose of the RDX sporting a nice flat torque curve.
Any mention of the coupe/roadster that we were hearing grumblings of earlier?
Honda does have smaller V6s in other markets (2.5L I believe), but I doubt they would bring that engine over here. I'm betting a J30 will be in the nose of the RDX sporting a nice flat torque curve.
01-13-2005, 02:58 PM
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This really pushes me away from another TSX. Was is a "no" as in not even in the next gen TSX? I can see why as the entry level sedan, but it means I might have to move to another model within the family to get some more grunt.
No V6, IMA, SH=AWD for the TSX =
I guess I will have to wait until for the RDX.
Thanks for the info, justinjsw.
01-13-2005, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor Gascan
Honda does have smaller V6s in other markets (2.5L I believe), but I doubt they would bring that engine over here. I'm betting a J30 will be in the nose of the RDX sporting a nice flat torque curve.
Sign me up for that with SH-AWD, a TSX dash/interior, a normal moonroof, and some nice power seats (both sides please - don't scrimp this time Acura).
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
I feel the sameway. If no improvements, besides maybe a power boost to 210hp, then there is no reason to purchase a TSX.
If we had a V6 TSX, then people would be asking the next question: why would one buy a TL?
01-13-2005, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 98AccordEx
I don't think there is a smaller V6 in other markets, not Europe anyway - checked earlier.
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ya, if its a V6 then its gotta be the J30....but I'll still have some doubts about the whole V6 thing, even though I do trust Justin. Still too many pieces of the puzzle missing - such as, why would they even think of detuning from the 240hp already there?? Its got 210 lb/ft of torque - isn't this ideal for an RDX-sized vehicle??
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So if it is a 6 any chance of VCM?...
Will we see paddle shifters... like the RL... figure trickle down for SH-AWD also might mean trickle down for paddle shifters.
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Will we see paddle shifters... like the RL... figure trickle down for SH-AWD also might mean trickle down for paddle shifters.
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brutus ... I am with you ... V6+VCM. I have seen this thing add 5MPG in our '05 Ody vs. our '03 Ody. And ... I can tell you that VCM will do even BETTER with a lighter vehicle because there will be more cases where it is under "light load" and VCM can kick in.
Acura ... please put a J30+VCM in this thing
P.S. Feel free not to tune mine ... I'll take the Accord output config - thanks
Acura ... please put a J30+VCM in this thing
P.S. Feel free not to tune mine ... I'll take the Accord output config - thanks
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ya, if its a V6 then its gotta be the J30....but I'll still have some doubts about the whole V6 thing, even though I do trust Justin. Still too many pieces of the puzzle missing - such as, why would they even think of detuning from the 240hp already there?? Its got 210 lb/ft of torque - isn't this ideal for an RDX-sized vehicle??
The Accord J30 has 212 torque which would be fine. When they retuned the 2.4LI4 for the CRV their goal was a nice flat torque curve and lower peak torque (only 3600) so I guess that would part of the re-tuning goal.
01-13-2005, 04:22 PM
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Sedan above the RL eh ... another Acura product I won't be able to afford ... hehe
If you would stop trading in cars every 6 months maybe you could
01-13-2005, 04:24 PM
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Sadly...no
Big mistake IMO. Think about how many more TL's they'd sell with SH-AWD. They catch an entire market of people who go to a G35 or Bimmer because the TL's FWD.
01-13-2005, 04:29 PM
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A V8 to be shared, hum. The ?L, RL, MDX, Pilot, and if they decided to do something with the NSX.
I figured the HSC was a gonner as I read Honda's focus was going to be trucks and passenger cars. The NSX was a great car and still is in a lot of ways. Sales are down but I blame Honda for this! No updates execpt for a face lift and revised rear. No pwr increase, no special edition except for the Alex Z model, not Type R, or anything. Honda talks about low sales yet do very little. Look at the first RL. That thing was left to fester for too long. The NSX is the same way.
It would be nice, Justin if there was some info on the return of the CL. Good car but the design needed some help when you compare it to the G35C. Yes coupes are not hot sellers but who's the wise guy that decided to mass produce the CL any way? Coupes should be limited producation. In time and with up dates Honda can recoupe their costs of designing a new body and tweeking various components.
A 3.0 in the RDX sounds good. Starting where the CR-V ends seems easy enough. Leather, heated seats, and auto HVAC does not a luxury truck make.
I figured the HSC was a gonner as I read Honda's focus was going to be trucks and passenger cars. The NSX was a great car and still is in a lot of ways. Sales are down but I blame Honda for this! No updates execpt for a face lift and revised rear. No pwr increase, no special edition except for the Alex Z model, not Type R, or anything. Honda talks about low sales yet do very little. Look at the first RL. That thing was left to fester for too long. The NSX is the same way.
It would be nice, Justin if there was some info on the return of the CL. Good car but the design needed some help when you compare it to the G35C. Yes coupes are not hot sellers but who's the wise guy that decided to mass produce the CL any way? Coupes should be limited producation. In time and with up dates Honda can recoupe their costs of designing a new body and tweeking various components.
A 3.0 in the RDX sounds good. Starting where the CR-V ends seems easy enough. Leather, heated seats, and auto HVAC does not a luxury truck make.
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If you would stop trading in cars every 6 months maybe you could
01-13-2005, 04:53 PM
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welp some crappy news. looks like i won't be purchasing another acura for a while unless i get the TSX in a year or two. MT is a must. SMG doesn't provide the enthusiates the movitivation to purchase a car. I'm sorry. Acura would be making a massive mistake by removing the MT. Where is the passion Mr. Honda used to talk about. ugh...... this sucks.
looks like i won't be purchasing another acura for a while unless i get the TSX in a year or two. MT is a must. SMG doesn't provide the enthusiates the movitivation to purchase a car. I'm sorry. Acura would be making a massive mistake by removing the MT. Where is the passion Mr. Honda used to talk about. ugh...... this sucks.
01-13-2005, 06:00 PM
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She said: it's GINORMOUS!
no 6MT: i agree that sucks. honda is smoking something.
v6: <homer voice> WOOHOOO!! </homer voice> j30 + turbo + shawd = OMG!!!
no HSC: that's just SAD...very SAD
thanks justin for the fix...
v6: <homer voice> WOOHOOO!! </homer voice> j30 + turbo + shawd = OMG!!!
no HSC: that's just SAD...very SAD
thanks justin for the fix...
01-13-2005, 06:17 PM
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If I'm not wrong, the only Lexus with a MT is the IS300, and just to find one for test drive, that took 2 months at my local dealer. But look how well Lexus is doing.
Business comes first.
TSX is quite good without V6, otherwise comments about torque steer... Yeah TL could use a version with AWD with its power. Although I can see how Acura will worry that no one will want to buy the RL if TL has SHAWD. To have a nice product series to please everyone without spending too much, that's tough. Maybe just AWD on TL will do, but I don't think one's available (or maybe from the Honda trucks?). When they have a v8 for RL and up, or when it snows everywhere in NA, then TL will get SHAWD.
Can someone guess the name for the future flagship Acura Sedan? SL?
Business comes first.
TSX is quite good without V6, otherwise comments about torque steer... Yeah TL could use a version with AWD with its power. Although I can see how Acura will worry that no one will want to buy the RL if TL has SHAWD. To have a nice product series to please everyone without spending too much, that's tough. Maybe just AWD on TL will do, but I don't think one's available (or maybe from the Honda trucks?). When they have a v8 for RL and up, or when it snows everywhere in NA, then TL will get SHAWD.
Can someone guess the name for the future flagship Acura Sedan? SL?
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I've always called it Acura GL, and the JDM name Honda Monarch .
Using Justin's info, I'm going to guess the V8 will make it to the super-luxo sedan and...
-Ridgeline
-MDX
-RL
-NSX
again, just a guess... (maybe that's why Justin said 3/4, maybe on the NSX?) Some things we just can't know.
Justin, what's with the NSX replacement, "Boxster Killer", and s2000 replacement? ANY info, as always, is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Justin.
.Using Justin's info, I'm going to guess the V8 will make it to the super-luxo sedan and...
-Ridgeline
-MDX
-RL
-NSX
again, just a guess... (maybe that's why Justin said 3/4, maybe on the NSX?) Some things we just can't know.
Justin, what's with the NSX replacement, "Boxster Killer", and s2000 replacement? ANY info, as always, is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Justin.
