wjk

Listen, this will be my last post on this thread too. Because I'm tired too, and this is silly, and life is too short.

Unlike your accusation, what I did do was simply respond to some very aggressive rhetoric directed at my post for no reason.

You know, it's funny, no one minded asking me to get their CARFAX data for them (at my cost). Something I was happy to do. But just disagree with a rather generalized statement about a transmission and some people get very, very nasty. I do not apologize for defending myself.

If I directly called someone ignorant, or any other name, I apologize. However, I don't appreciate, or think it's fairly to imply this when in reality what I DID do was turn name calling directed at me, back on the sender.

Let's assume you are correct, that all 3.0 transmissions suck. OK, good. If that's such an obvious fact then it would be a cakewalk to force Honda into a recall -- something we would all benefit from, and something I would personally love to take advantage of.

I would also suggest to you, that even if they don't all suck, since your car has apparently had it's issues, I bet with some polite imagination you could probably get Honda to help you out.

I am not going to wish bad luck on you, as you did to me. I hope your transmission stays healthy.

wilp99

:surrender at first i only said "most if not all 3.0 trannies suck" then when i noticed it botherd you i started sayin all. read the posts from the beginning. i was just tryin to help the original poster. and u replied with faulty info about other accord trannies workin on a cl and i knowing that it wont said it wont. then somehow it evolved into this im a bad guy for trin to help thing, and u gettin all defensive about the msn reports. search for a survey on 3.0 trannies on this board.. there was one done maybee 1 year ago. your right i have no idea about msn, but i did say "1/2 to 3/4 of the people ON THIS BOARD. have had thier trannies replaced. read the posts. and i think ull come to the conclusion that we were both wrong. and egged this stupid thing on. your right life is short, and to argue on weather all or 1% of all acura 3.0 trannies suck. come on listen to that. my bad dogg. and i dont misspell on purpose i just type short hand. no capitol letters, u for you, gettin.. u get the point.( i can actually type 80 wpm with 95% accuracy..my friends say i type like a bitch..)

ominous

More often than less (omg another generalization), forums erupt into symantical battles rather than produce useful information. It's the nature of the medium, but I digress.

As best I can explain, when I accelerate from a stop, the second it attempts to shift 1->2, the transmission feels like it clutches for 1 second longer than it needs to. It's as if mid-acceleration, you take your foot off the gas. After the short delay, it feels like a clumsy driver is letting up the clutch too abruptly. It doesn't bang, but it feels like someone needs to learn to clutch better. This delay is also present when decellerating. Upon going from 2->1, the delay happens and again it's as if you take your foot off the gas between gears. Your head lurches forward because the braking combined with the loss of power (clutched/neutral/no power) makes you lean forward uncomfortably.

Put into words, I can't express how this makes driving the car less desirable, but it does. It's not banging the gear, but the harmony of the smooth acceleration and decelleration is completely destroyed when the clumsy shifting hits.

It's as if you smoothed a ball bearing within 1/2 micrometers perfection and then bit a chunk out of the side before you use it. Why apply so much polish to something only to sling mud on the most inopportune part? What gear is more used than 1->2 and 2->1 in the city? The problem is present 20-100 times every single time I drive. It's aggrivating.

Does this sound like the problem the original poster has? If not can you describe in detail what it feels like?

Does anyone know why this transmission is shifting like this? What can I go back to my Acura dealer and say?

wilp99

yes it sounds like the same problem.. the clutches in the 1-2 planetairy get burned up pretty quickly. its a combination of problems. first.. which i beleave is the main cause is the linear solonoid may be on the edge of its ohm limits. it determines how much fluid is used during shifts, theres an a solonoid (for up shifting) and b solonoid (for down shifting.) and since 1-2 is the most common gear used, the 1-2 clutches are the same exact type of clutches used for the 2-3 and 3-4 gears.

another problem is fluid temp, which only goes up drastically durring 1-2 shifts because of the ammount of fluid needed to push thru that transition. adding a tranny cooler will help prolong the life of the transmission. along with frequend fluid changes.

another factor is the filter. which is deep inside the tranny and cannot be changed w/o disassembly of the transmission. so again frequent fluid changes may be required.

if your having troubles with the shifting, first start off by ohming out the linear solonoid, if its close to its max limits or beyond its limits eather way, replace it. it may help but usually once it becomes a problem the only other thing to do is rebuild.

DivineCL

It's interesting how both of you are the same age and have the same point of view.

Someone is out to get someone.

wilp99

DivineCL

wilp99

yo divine your rims look fresh.. especially that lip.. what size tires did u end up gettin?

realeyezsoul

I got them will thanks. This guy is a homo btw .......

DivineCL

Thanks bro. I think they're 215/35.

Shaggz2Dope

DivineCL

^

ominous

Well my tranny was replaced a few months ago. Obviously a rebuild isn't the answer.

I'll try what you said and see if they'll replace the solenoids. I assume that's what Advanced Tranny was talking about. They also mentioned the accumulator.. Anyone know wtf that is?

wilp99

tha accumulator body is in side the transmission. thats what distributes the fluid thru the tranny.

Shaggz2Dope

oh no! ive been banned...i cant post......wait a minute

DivineCL

Oh no...this threads been locked...I can't post...wait a minute.

Shaggz2Dope

smart ass.....

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

I found this board by doing a Google search of 97 Acura 3.0CL transmission failure after mine died at a little past the freaking 32k warranty! Acura refused any help even though I had complained for 10k miles (4-5 trips to the dealer) of tranny issues. I recently won 2k in small claims court against American Honda co & Miller Acura of Santa Monica, Ca. (hope they pay) I'd hate to have to send the Sheriffs out to collect

wilp99

get em.....

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

So I was driving on my now 5 month rebuilt by a Honda tranny "expert" and I give the car gas, instead of a burst of speed, I have the slight bog followed by the sudden "hookup" that was the beginning of the end (10,000 miles before it died)

Can it be freaking dying again after only a few thousand miles? I took it back to the shop (which is 40 minutes away from where I live) because I figured I should have it done by someone that knows these transmissions and left it with him for two days.

He said there was nothing wrong with it but it hasn't done it (yet) again. Could it have just needed an adjustment or do you guys think it is just a piece of sh*t tranny & I need to reexamine my plans to leave my 90 325ic (that I love) alone & mod the CL?

Man I am pissed!!

wilp99

i think its ok.. they downshift kind of funny sometimes. did u get a tranny cooler? i would highly sugest it.

Smalls

^^^

where can I buy a tranny cooler and how much??

thanks

wilp99

autozone has them.. make sure you get a stacked plate one. the other type is tube-fin, but they suck... stacked plate is the best. ull see what i mean when u see them. also make sure you measure the area where you will put it before you buy one.

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

I have been planning on a cooler for some time. Guess it is time to do it.

What is the best place to put it? if anyone that has done it and can post a picture that would be really appreciated.

Thanks

Smalls

^

I looked on O'Rielly' s (sp) website and they have an application for my car, so Im guessing it would be the right size. Did you notice any difference in shifting after installation?

wilp99

no but the tranny cooelr lines were alot cooler after. before i couldnt even touch them but now you can hold on to the hose after a long hard drive.

wilp99

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/wilp99...05.jpg&.src=ph

its on the right side of the hood latch.. dont mind the fucked up bumper, that was when my wife hit someone while i was deployed. its fixed now.

e30cabrio

iTrader: (6)

Thanks for the info & pic!

idunno

Hi I also have a problem with the shifting of my transmission. I have had it replaced under warranty and it still bangs or bumps or just shift sloppy. I dont know how to describe it but shifting from 2nd to 3rd or 3rd to 4th is as smooth as it gets. 1st to 2nd and 2nd downshifting to 1st is terrible in contrast. It is nothing like the other gears so it sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison.

I have to bring the car back for some leather work on the interior and I want to bring up the transmission is still shifting poorly. What could I tell them to look for? They already replaced the transmission so how could it be that? What else can I tell them to look for? Does that accumilator or solenoid mentioned above apply to me? Can someone tell me what words to fill the managers ear with so they don't try to blow me off? I really want the shifting to be close to the way the other gears shift. Does not have to be as smooth but somewhere near it would be nice. My girl wont even drive it, thinks something is wrong and she is going to break it..

Palayah8ta

Wats this supplement u speak of? i clicked the link and couldnt find it, maybe im blind...

wilp99

http://www.helminc.com/helm/Result.a...RUMXCD6BT56DN5

see if this link works. its for all years 3.0 cl. the supplement is just a book on what is different between the 2.x and 3.0. which is pretty much everything.

Palayah8ta

Thanks man!

wjk

Clearly something is wrong. Mine has the original transmission, and at 103,000 miles shifts smoothly across the board 1-2-3-4. If they replaced the transmission to fix bad shifting, and it still shifts poorly, take it back and get them to fix it under warranty. Maybe they replaced the transmission when something else was wrong... Even so, that's their fault, not yours.

Get an area manager involved if you have to or call Acuta customer service in Ohio.

wilp99

theres a sensor out of specs somewhere. the problem is. for the cel check engine light to come on it has to have the same problem 2 times in a row.(it eliminates intermittant failure readings) which is rare. the only way for acura to acuratly find the problem is to ohm the sensors. i.e. lock up solonoid, speed sensor, linear selonoid A AND B (same part but has 2 selonoids on it) and secondairy shaft speed sensor. if the new tranny they installed already had the sensors on it then thats gonna be even tuffer to isolate a problem. however... bring it to them and tell them the problem, and see what they come out with. if they come out with nothing but "well your on your own" than yea go straight to the big dogs at acura in oh.

wilp99

theres 7 more but they dont control 1-2 shifts..also have them check the tps. throttle position sensor. tht tells the tranny to down shift....

idunno

I bought tranny in because it was banging in a gear very badly and it fixed that problem but that was a very seperate problem. I had already complained that the shifting is a harsh between 1st and 2nd and they replaced the tranny and the same exact shifting harshness still exists. The new tranny did fix the other problem so I think it's a sensor or something else.

So the sensors won't fire the lights on the dashboard until they fail twice in a row? Does ohming out mean you fail the sensors once so you get them to show a problem the next time one of them fails (being 2 fails total)? Is that ohming out? Does TPS control upshifting as well as downshifting?

With this shifting difficulty the car makes it seems like the clutch will go very soon. That was what seemed like the other problem. In reverse it would just drop in gear with no clutching. The new tranny fixed that harshness but I wonder if all it did was add more meat to the rear gears clutch so it can redestroy it all over again.

So I should tell them to try ohming out the sensors and to check the throttle position sensor? If there is anything inside the transmission I doubt they will check it being it's a new transmission. I have 1 and 1/2 years left on the full warranty I bought which includes full electrical which made it very expensive but it seems like it is worth it so far. If anyone thinks of anything pleaase let me know what to tell them, I have to drop it off day after tomorrow. Thanks!

wilp99

no man ohming a sensor means you take a ohmeter and put it acrost two specific pins to see what the ohm is. each sensor is supposed to have a certain limit on how much power it lets by when it reads a signal. if its letting not enough power by (weak signal) the computer mistakes that for slight changes (no change of gear until pressure builds up and forces) if it lets too much power by the computer thinks shift fast like if you were flooring it (harsh gear changes) all the gears banging into gear is the linear selonoid. the reason why 1/2 bangs is because they are very short gears, and have no pressure sensors, the others 2/3,3/4 have pessure sensors and are obsorbed by the clutch packs. bring it to them and see what happens, if they are worth a shit, they will help you out if they arent, then they will prolly give you the run around, thats when you take it to the man.

ajtcl

Wow, this thread has been better than All My Children.

Just call me peachy. Second transmission is still hangin' in there. Every now and again, I test it with a foot in the pedal. When she drops to second and the tac rolls out to around 5500-6000, I know I'm putting the stress on her. I only do that once in a while. Not too worried about hurting the motor, but that transmission still makes me nervous. I will be flushing her in September. The guys that did my transmission swap said to flush every four oil changes or once a year. This transmission's one year anniversary will be in September. I checked the fluid after my last oil change and it still looks nice and pink. Maybe I got a good one this time. As for banging, every now and then, when I drop into reverse, it hits hard, but I think that has to do with where the parking pawl is at the time of shift. But as I said, not every time. As for the suck value of 3.0 transmissions, I think alot of it has to do with cheaply manufactured parts Honda acquired from a sub-contractor. And now they are paying the price, or passing it on to you and me. I even wrote to Acura when my transmission died at 98,000 but they were not inclined to help because I was not the original owner and the car was bought through a private seller with no warantee. OH well, I just hope she hangs in there. I realy don't want to have to buy another one.

wilp99

in august ill get my bonus, and ill be doin my level 10 upgrade. and prolly start savin up for the supercharger. i cant wait.. once i get those two things done, prescious will be perfect. and faster than most v8's.

ajtcl

Hell yeah, what kind of supercharger kit. I was looking at a Greddy setup. I need to redo the exhaust first.