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Old 03-22-2007, 05:29 PM
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3.0 Cl Vs Scion TC

Ok so me and a friend at school got in to this big argument on whos car is better his stock scion tc or my stock 3.0 cl . Im thinking my car has more power and torque. So im wondering whos car is better spec wise at least???? so if any one know let me know cuz i think the CL is way better than the TC
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the 3.0 would destroy it, the tc is about as fast as the base rsx.
3.0-200hp 195tq w/24valve sohc
tc-161hp 162tq w/16valve dohc
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sweet i thought so like i had full confidence that the cl would be better. so i would beat a cl in a race right.
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Originally Posted by AznX TL
the 3.0 would destroy it, the tc is about as fast as the base rsx.
3.0-200hp 195tq w/24valve sohc
tc-161hp 162tq w/16valve dohc
Way more hp and torque than a TC, not to mention, leather, power, heated seats, and heated mirrors, yeah your 3.0 is way "better"

Scion's are gay, and I'm a toyota lover But scions aren't real toyotas or real cars for that matter, they're rice patties
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Originally Posted by Pooner
sweet i thought so like i had full confidence that the cl would be better. so i would beat a cl in a race right.
Nice typo
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ha lol ya i always thought the TC was restarted like this kid thinks its sooo amazing and that it would beat my CL. thanks for the advise
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just make sure your tranny doesnt take a shit on you while you race!
and make sure he doesnt have a TRD supercharger
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o ya i know that super charger would make a huge diff. no worry his is completely stock. and whats the differece between a 24 valve and 16 valve system
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more valves.
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more valves = better intake/fuel and exhaust mixtures
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I just noticed you were in Austin. I'll run him for you.
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haha just stick that 3.0 badge on the back
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i was just thinking about posting about TCs vs 3.0s about 10 min ago on my drive here.
in all my experiences racing them, they beat me.
i've never been smoked by one, but i have yet to win.
i was at a stoplight tonight, didnt go off the line fast, but then i see that the tc behind me is really riding my ass, so i gun it.
he gets in the lane next to me, and slowly but surely pulls on me.
thing is, i was in D3 and at like 85mph when he passed me
if i was in D4, would he have past me way earlier, or would i have been able to keep upping my speed enough to keep him behind me?
i guess it's more of a general question about performance rather than cl vs tc

the guy who lives above me has a tc and i couldnt really keep up with that thing either (in D4)
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I just noticed you were in Austin. I'll run him for you.
ha if u ran him u would own.


wait no way the tC could keep up with u man how does that work
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It is lighter, newer, and maybe manual.
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Scions are strange. I don't think they sell them in Canada because I've only seen one or two. I think they're hideous. I'm not a toyota fan, so maybe that's why I think that. Lexus makes some sexy cars, but I think Toyota has become the most boring brand out there... They need some more chutzpah!
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he might have had a trd supercharger.
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Originally Posted by shnee420
i was just thinking about posting about TCs vs 3.0s about 10 min ago on my drive here.
in all my experiences racing them, they beat me.
i've never been smoked by one, but i have yet to win.
i was at a stoplight tonight, didnt go off the line fast, but then i see that the tc behind me is really riding my ass, so i gun it.
he gets in the lane next to me, and slowly but surely pulls on me.
thing is, i was in D3 and at like 85mph when he passed me
if i was in D4, would he have past me way earlier, or would i have been able to keep upping my speed enough to keep him behind me?
i guess it's more of a general question about performance rather than cl vs tc

the guy who lives above me has a tc and i couldnt really keep up with that thing either (in D4)
im thinking it was a supercharged one, even though with a SC they still only make around 200hp..... its basically a j30 vs h22!
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Originally Posted by AznX TL
the 3.0 would destroy it, the tc is about as fast as the base rsx.
3.0-200hp 195tq w/24valve sohc
tc-161hp 162tq w/16valve dohc
CLs may be a lot nicer but i beg to differ its amazing what a little google search can do
http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicl.../solo9833.html
Theres the factory specs of the cl, with a 0-60 of 8 seconds.
http://www.modernracer.com/sciontc.html
theres the factory specs of the scion, 0-60 7.5
so i dont know about the 3.0 destroying it hp isnt everything, the tc is a lot lighter so i wouldnt say stuff when do u dont know it

But if all else fails just tell ur friend that u win because u didnt over pay for a piece of shit girl car
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haha look at the quarter mile time recorded by the source of that cl's 0-60 time

1/4 Mile (E.T.) 86 seconds @ 17 mph
are you sure this is an accurate source?
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im pretty sure its just backwards. 17 seconds at 86 mph, i checked a few other websites and they all said 8 seconds, couple said 8.5 so im pretty sure its right
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good call.
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2.4l and only squeezing out 160hp? that's like the second gen cr-v?
http://autos.yahoo.com/2006_scion_tc...HryjL8E_ibyMgF
wow im impressed, i didnt think the tC was that light it can squeeze a 15.1 with only 160hp.
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sorry but my pet peeve is when people talk out of their ass about cars and they dont really know, im not trying to be mean or anything, its just i thought u should know that you were wrong
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the scion's curb weight is only 2907lbs and isnt the cl around 3200lbs?
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well, i wish you luck and hopefully the kid cant drive stick for sh!t.
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yup
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sorry but my pet peeve is when people talk out of their ass about cars and they dont really know, im not trying to be mean or anything, its just i thought u should know that you were wrong
who? me? I was just messin. dont hate
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no i was talkin to aznx tl, nothing against him, not hatin on anyone, just preachin the truth
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Find a safe empty road (a track if possible) and find out...

I'm curious to see the results, I'm both a Honda and a Toyota fan, but my gut feeling is that the cl will win in the end.

Drive Safe.
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im still baffled about how fast they are.
comparing them to a 03 rsx-s they have the same 1/4 mile time but yet the rsx-s weighs 2767lbs, has 200hp dohc 16valve.
but yet the scion weighs 200lbs more, has 60hp less but 20 more tq. and yet it runs a 15.1 like the 03 rsx-s.
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could be in the gearing, the rsx has a faster 0-60, maybe it gets sluggish after 60
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if anything the scion should have a faster 0-60 because it has more tq.
i declare the tC hp under rated
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heh no wonder it ran a freakin 15.1, the 15.1 came from a supercharged 200hp scion.

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sorry i couldnt except the fact that a 160hp 3000lb car could run a 15.1 stock so i had to find the source of which the 15.1 came from.
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Originally Posted by Jtbecool
I think Toyota has become the most boring brand out there... They need some more chutzpah!
yeah what the hell. toyota doesn't have a single sports car out there right now. just a bunch of hybrid shit. I mean, I'm all for saving the environment, but... I mean... come on???
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i dont get why u put all that? are u tryin to say i was wrong?
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no, im just happy that i could explain something that had me baffled and confused.
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If you're driving an automatic Cl, the TC (manual) will beat you in a 1/4 mile but you'll have him on take-off. Also, though the Tc is fast, the Cl has no problem catching back up over a longer period of time...been there tried that.
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sorry. the manual tc will take the automatic off the line. and to 60, the cl might hang with it, but the tc will slowly pull away. I guess your right astruab the cl will eventually catch up, but thats gonna be a a couple miles down the road , only becasue the scion will cut the gas at 125, while the cl will go to 135


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