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It looks brighter than Fathom blue to me. It sort of looks like that blue that was used on the custom Galpin TLX that was shown at SEMA a couple of years ago. Also, I don't know if anyone noticed the tape over the front left fender. There could be a badge hiding there.
still looks too dark to be the custom TLX back then but definitely brighter than fathom blue
I was hoping for a new brighter blue color palette
think about it for a sec.
why would a FWD or an AWD (FWD based) have larger rear tires... ?
My point exactly, the angles are weird in this picture. It doesn't look to good and some what out of proportion. I guess I will reserve final judgement until I see it in person. The same was said for the 2016 TLX, you have to see it in person but it was still kinda blah it was a better look in person. Driving it was my disappointment. I must admit, I did not test drive the 4 cy. I was only interested in a 6. I'm in a 6 speed MDX now.
My point exactly, the angles are weird in this picture. It doesn't look to good and some what out of proportion. I guess I will reserve final judgement until I see it in person. The same was said for the 2016 TLX, you have to see it in person but it was still kinda blah it was a better look in person. Driving it was my disappointment. I must admit, I did not test drive the 4 cy. I was only interested in a 6. I'm in a 6 speed MDX now.
so then, no. the TLX would not have wider tires and its just lighting/photograph tricking you
yeah wouldn't make any sense for it to have staggered width wheels/tires. While I do love the look of having staggered wheels/tires on rear drive layouts (especially deep lip/concaved wheels) it's just annoying from a daily driving/spirited driving perspective (in anything short of huge horsepower numbers) to not be able to rotate tires for even wear. Plus you can have a lot of fun in a not too powerful rear drive car with a square setup, promotes that lovable oversteer nicely (see FRS/BRZ/86, and what most ppl run in e36 M3s). BUT on a FWD or AWD car makes absolute no sense, makes the car worse by all measurable metrics other than if you just want to make it look like the power goes to the back.
Are they confirming an hybrid? The IS200h is gone because of poor sales....
I wouldn't be surprised if that is true. A lot of the Toyota/Lexus hybrids have crappy acceleration (even the IS hybrid ...not sold in the US). I'm not suggesting they need 0-60 in 3 seconds but for a luxury car I think 0-60 in 7 seconds or less is required. You don't want to exclude the purpose of getting a hybrid by getting 0-60 in 7 seconds and crappy gas mileage. Honda (hopefully) learned that lesson with the first accord hybrid that didn't get great gas mileage and didn't have much else going for it. The 9th gen accord hybrid gets great gas mileage and perfectly adequate acceleration (approximately 7.4 seconds depends on who tests it). I doubt we'll get a new engine for the 10th gen accord hybrid but I look forward to finding out if they've improved the seats. The only reason I still consider acura is the accord seats are pretty ghetto for a car in it's price range. Even a $15,000 kia has more comfy seats. I could understand if accord had the stock ghetto ones and offered ones people would actually want for $1000 more. I'm not talking about the material e.g. leather or faux leather - I'm talking about comfort.
The ES is a nice car but I think for a luxury car that acceleration is kind of weak. The MPG is OK - nothing earth shattering that is for sure. The camry is acceptable in both acceleration and mpg. The prius acceleration is dreadful - shouldn't even be street legal unless all streets are downhill
Sales goals for 2017 call for incremental growth for the year.
TLX face-lift will set apart 4-cylinder and V-6 models; A-Spec trim level is added.
Dealers requested additional ad support that spotlights the NSX supercar.
NEW ORLEANS -- Acura's midsize TLX sedan will use an upcoming refresh to visually distinguish the 4 -cylinder and 6-cylinder models and will add an enthusiast-oriented A-Spec model.
That's according to multiple dealers in attendance at Acura's make meeting at the NADA convention. The news confirms speculation that arose earlier when spy shots of the face-lifted TLX being filmed for advertising were published.
Changes to the TLX and an advertising effort that's only now gaining momentum have Acura executives hopeful that the brand could see a modest sales increase in 2017, after an 8.9 percent decline in 2016.
Dealers praised Acura General Manager Jon Ikeda for sticking to the turnaround strategy he outlined when he took over in the summer of 2015. They also praised Honda executives for setting a conservative sales goal in 2017, 1 that dealers are optimistic that they can hit. Acura will share additional details of its plans during February dealer meetings in Dallas and Miami.
Some of that optimism is based on increased capacity of the MDX, thanks to Honda's decision to move all MDX production to its East Liberty, Ohio, plant from its Alabama plant, which gains more capacity for the Honda Pilot, Odyssey and Ridgeline.
This also will be the first full year that the face-lifted MDX is on sale, and a new hybrid model will bring in some incremental sales.
The TLX refresh should help that nameplate, whose sales dropped 21 percent in 2016 to 37,156 vehicles. The update is expected to be unveiled this spring as a 2018 model. The base 4-cylinder model and the optional V-6 will carry over, though now there will be more external styling cues to set them apart.
An A-Spec trim package that includes wheels, rear lip spoiler and unique front and rear bumper treatments also will be offered, though it won't come with any significant powertrain upgrades.
Acura's entry-level ILX remains a particular concern to dealers. It's in a crowded segment full of European marques aggressively courting buyers with generous incentives. Sales of the ILX dropped 21 percent in 2016 to 14,597 cars.
Also on dealers' minds was the lack of robust advertising support, particularly involving Acura's NSX. Dealers are looking for Acura to draw more of a connection between the hybrid supercar and the rest of its lineup throughout Tier 1, 2 and 3 advertising.
For example, one Acura dealer who also had a Lexus franchise wondered aloud why he had marketing material highlighting Lexus' involvement in the Rolex 24 at Daytona endurance race but nothing from Acura, which was competing in the same class for the 1st time with an NSX.
Acura executives in attendance conceded their oversight.
They quite literally heard all our cries, all our complaints, all our wishes, all our desires, all our wants, all our needs, all our qualms, all our dissapointments, and all the shortcomings
... And they gave us very debatable, very arguable, very questionable, and very confused front and rear stylings.
And nothing else.
And they're expecting a modest sales increase for the year.
How accurate is the autonews website? I just cannot believe that there will not be any power train upgrade... OUCH! If this is all true, then good luck to Acura... when my lease is up later this year, I may just be jumping ship, after having owned a few Acura vehicles.... sigh.
How accurate is the autonews website? I just cannot believe that there will not be any power train upgrade... OUCH! If this is all true, then good luck to Acura... when my lease is up later this year, I may just be jumping ship, after having owned a few Acura vehicles.... sigh.
WHY? cant you believe it???
this was the trend for Acura for 10 years....THIS IS THEIR M.O.
after the demise of the TL Type-S in 2008, Acura gave the "enthusiast" models red stitching and NO OTHER upgrades.
To be fair the powertrain options are sufficient for most drivers - assuming the 9 speed zf is sorted out which seems to mostly be the case. At the "entry level" luxury price point the offering isn't bad in my opinion - but it doesn't stand out either. They're certainly not catering to the enthusiasts - which is why the TLX section had a big melt down . The issue will be - is it enough to make Accord owners want to upgrade? Is it enough to stop people from buying a SUV/CUV? They may have a tough battle in that regard - especially if the next gen Accord hits a home run when it's rolled out later this year.
To be fair the powertrain options are sufficient for most drivers - assuming the 9 speed zf is sorted out which seems to mostly be the case. At the "entry level" luxury price point the offering isn't bad in my opinion - but it doesn't stand out either. They're certainly not catering to the enthusiasts - which is why the TLX section had a big melt down . The issue will be - is it enough to make Accord owners want to upgrade? Is it enough to stop people from buying a SUV/CUV? They may have a tough battle in that regard - especially if the next gen Accord hits a home run when it's rolled out later this year.
The Accord will be a huge hit. For as bad as Acura is screwing everything up, Honda continues to just destroy the competition. I honestly thought the Honda re-org (splitting off Acura) would be good for Acura, but it turns out it hasn't been good at all.
that's a hard UPHILL battle.
Acura needs the CDX here, two years ago
I agree. It's like they live in some sort of alternate universe sometimes.
Granted it easy for us to make anonymous posts to some website like we know the best way to go - but given the direction of the industry some things seem fairly obvious.
The Accord will be a huge hit. For as bad as Acura is screwing everything up, Honda continues to just destroy the competition. I honestly thought the Honda re-org (splitting off Acura) would be good for Acura, but it turns out it hasn't been good at all.
Acura lacks the vision and leadership to stand out. The Accord is so well entrenched that they can continue to make evolutionary upgrades and do very well.
For Honda, when people complained about the volume knob missing, they fixed it relatively shortly. With Acura people complained about the inside and mechanics, and logically they changed the outside of course...
For dealers to say they are very happy with the new CEO's changes, well they have to since that's all they got. The ILX got a A-Spec package too with no mechanical upgrades, sales went down as well. I understand minimal sales growth is important for brand/dealers, but doing so with no changes people would actually spend money on (looks aside), well good luck.
Sorry Acura but you're making my future choices easier as the days go by. I'm at 75% sure to look elsewhere when the time comes.
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Dealers are not happy.
there was a report that said DEALERS want Acura to fill up the line-up. there are model gaps, AHEM CDX (small SUV).
so, people glaze right over Acura and head to another auto manufacture that offers a small SUV
it's a common refrain from dealer networks: Give us more products to flesh out our lineups.
but unlike most of its leather-lined competitors in the luxury segment -- particularly mercedes-benz and bmw -- acura has substantial gaps in its lineup.
"as a dealer body we're looking for, when a customer comes in the doors, the ability to show them something more than 4 vehicles," said jim morino, owner of acura of lynnwood in lynnwood, wash., and chairman of the acura national dealer advisory board.
that includes the ilx and tlx sedans and the rdx and mdx crossovers (the larger rlx sedan and the nsx supercar are considered nonstarters by many dealers because of their low volumes).
the question is how to fill those gaps.
the leading candidate would be a u.s. Version of the cdx small crossover that acura sells in china. "the dealer body has requested that we get something like that for the american market," morino said.
acura also plans derivatives of existing platforms over the next several years, but it remains to be seen whether that's something like a coupe variant or a high-performance line, morino said.
regardless of what acura introduces, the vehicle will need to sell. Acura dealers care less about what the product is than how well it will sell -- 25,000 vehicles a year is the bare minimum.
said morino: "we really don't want to invest the capital in something that's going to be another 10,000- to 12,000-unit-a-year vehicle."
Dealers are not happy.
there was a report that said DEALERS want Acura to fill up the line-up. there are model gaps, AHEM CDX (small SUV).
so, people glaze right over Acura and head to another auto manufacture that offers a small SUV
You hit it right on the head, dealers are major customers too. So many people are against Acura right now, except for employees at HQ. Things are always sunny in Cali (or where ever they work).
I don't give a crap about crossovers, just do the sedans right. TLX should be SH-AWD across the board, power in the mid 200s for 4 cyl and mid 300s for V6, good brakes, and an aggressive stance. That should wipe out about 97% of complaints and usher in a formidable offering.
The new CRV outsold the Accord by about 10,000 units in January. Granted the CRV is new and the Accord is due for an update - but it's impossible to ignore those numbers.
I've got one more car before I hit retirement and it will likely be an SUV (in about 7 or 8 years) - likely a CRV or RDX depending on how my 401K fares over the next few years.
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