Corey_Straker

Not sure if this has been leaked or not yet. But here are some features for you. Not putting these in any particular order, just how I took notes.

-New remote start system like the new MDX ( remote start 3 ) that has a 1/4 mile range.
- Under storage compartment in the trunk ( similar to RLX with no spare tire, just inflation kit with a spare available as an accessory )
- Fold down rear seats with trunk passthrough
- All 4 windows power up/down 1 touch
- Tech pkg and Advanced pkg have frameless mirrors ( similar to that on the new GM Corvette and Camaro )
- Electronic Parking brake
- Electronic Shifter like in RLX Sport Hybrid
- 7 speaker 355 watt base sound system
- 10 speaker 490 watt tech/adv sound system
-Siri Eyes Free
- Gains of $2,000 in standard features
- 3.5L V6 puts out 290hp and 267 torque
- 9 speed automatic transmission with 25% faster shifting and 5 times faster paddle shiftting
- 1mpg city increase and 5mpg highway increase for FWD
- 3mpg city increase and 5mpg highway increase for SH-AWD
- v6 model goes 0-60 a little over half a second faster
- SH-AWD is 25% lighter and no longer protrudes into the trunk
- SH-AWD system can now act like P-AWS when switching lanes, sending extra power to left rear wheel when moving right a lane and vice versa
- Engine idle stop ( yuck )
- Integraded Dynamic System ( IDS changes steering feel and pedal response ) with a new Sport Plus mode to give old "Type-S" like steering feel and a new ECON mode for fuel economy.
- Blind Spot with Cross Traffic Monitor
- Road departure waring and Road departure Mitigation ( acts like CMBS )
- Tire fill assist ( beeps when correct tire pressure is met )
- Premium feel, engineers want you to feel the difference in the first 50 feet
- 4 Inches shorter than old TL in the overhang. Wheelbase is the same
- Color Keyed entry button
- LED Taillights / Integrated rear Spoiler
- Torsion stiffness up 21%
- Acoustic Spray Foam to vastly cut down on road and wind noise.
- 145 Pounds lighter ( TL FWD to TLX FWD )
- Motion Adaptive EPS with crosswind detection
- 2.4L has 206hp / 182 torque
- 8 speed DCT with torque converter
- 0-60mph 1.5 seconds
- 2mpg city increase and 4mpg highway increase

Not really tlx related but...

ILX (2016) or early next year
- 4 cylinder TLX 2.4 Engine
- Jewel Eye Headlights
- ODMD ( that touch screen system you see in the MDX/RLX )
- AcuraLink
- Improved Smartphone Integration
- Other options will arise closer to it's launch date

RDX (2016) or early next year
- Jewel Eye LED Headlights
- Rear seat A/C vents
- Power Tailgate on all models
- Advanced trim bringing all the features of the MDX advanced minus RES
- ODMD

The ability to get AWD in every model will happen by 2016. So an AWD ILX is CONFIRMED.

They are planning to sell 44,000 TLX'S the first year. That's how much they are banking on this car.

I will inform you of more as soon as I'm told.

internalaudit

This was what I wanted to hear:

The ability to get AWD in every model will happen by 2016. So an AWD ILX is CONFIRMED.


Do you or anyone know if the non-SH-AWD in the new RDX really worst than the SH-AWD in the preceding model? Is the current AWD in the RDX very similar to the AWD available on the Honda CRV or is it still vastly superior to the regular Honda AWD system? I'm not even going to ask about the AWD in the ILX because the 2016 is still at least a year away.

Many thanks in advance.

ACCURATEin

"0-60 1.5 seconds" - SOLD!



Where do I sign up?!

graphicguy

Corey....thanks. I'm liking the new TLX more and more. Just got a form letter from Keith stating they're looking for cars just like mine for the lot. Did you get pricing info?

When are you guys having the grand unveiling and store roll out? I expect to get an invite from Steve.

justnspace

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that letter is a mass marketing technique to get you in another vehicle, today. and not necessarily a TLX or a car that you want or need

justnspace

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lol i wonder if he heard wrong or typed up his notes wrong.

NBP04TL4ME

Noticed this too , but also figured I would cut Corey some slack.

CGTSX2004

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So a nominal increase in HP and torque for the 2.4 I4? That's rather disappointing. The fuel economy increase also only gets it to a point that is competitive with forced induction motors putting out substantially more power. In order for Acura to continue to justify using the NA motor, I would expect competitive power or substantially more fuel economy. I realize that the total area under the torque curve is likely much greater, thus the much quicker acceleration numbers, but the numbers are still a little underwhelming to hear.

As for the V6, why are they detuning the engine at all from the RLX tune? Is the added fuel economy gain justified for the loss of power, especially when the I4 fuel economy numbers are not significantly better?

BEAR-AvHistory

Its the twin turbo model.

Overall looks like it will be a nice car.

KeithL

The AWD in the RDX is nothing like SH-AWD. It is engaged under acceleration and then after that only when wheels slip. It is closer to standard Honda AWD.

KeithL

First the TLX, I am impressed with the MPG gains in SH-AWD as well as the removal of the truck bulge. The rest is very impressive as well. Let's hope they do a Type-S soon and bump Hp to 305-310.

As for ILX and RDX, again very impressive that Acura is listening and taking serious they entire lineup to keep it competitive.
Funny the gf says she will keep her 14 RDX 7 years and I said wait until you see the FMC or if they add features at MMC. Something tells me she will upgrade ;-)

Corey,

Did they happen to hint at a Type-S? They have to know they are lacking a sporty soul in their line-up.

docboy

The features seem great so far. I esp like the fold down rear seats and the lighter/non trunk intrusive SH-AWD system. Plus the IDS in trying to improve steering feel is a big plus.

One big negative I see though is no spare tire. Is this the trend auto manufactures are going? I take periodic weekend trips hundreds of miles away. What if I get a flat and I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere, and the nearest gas station is 100 miles away? Is the inflation kit sufficient? But then you wrote the spare is an accessory? Does this mean if we want a spare tire, it's an option?

The electronic brake all but confirms the 6MT option is likely gone?

hadokenuh

I think they are all great news and changes for Acura. Finally the RDX gets the upgrades it deserves (one really needed is the rear A/C vents - I don't understand WTF they went cheap on that). If the new TLX is as refined as they make us to believe then it will be a strong sale for Acura. The powertrain is just right. There is no need to join the HP race as long as the performance is adequate relative to the competitors.

For the nominal performance increase on the I4 2.4, I think Acura wants to save it for later after everything said above is rolled out. Too many changes at the same time is bad because there are too many variables. A FI 4cyl engine will come sooner or later. Lexus has just announce their first FI 4cyl in the new NX. Acura will soon do it but they have always been late to the party, haven't they?

The ILX changes are also much needed. I foresee the next 2-3 years will be very bright for Acura. Time to buy their stock? Hahahaha

keith7120

Not sure if this was mentioned somewhere, but are they still going to require Premium fuel. That will really be a gain in mpg if we can step down to regular unleaded.

Nari

Wow ... thanks for the data download Corey - lots of interesting stuff here for those of us starved for info on the tlx. Also very interesting info about the ilx and rdx. Ironically the ilx could be a sports sedan contender if it gets the DCT and the new 2.4 (but you didn't say if it was going to get the DCT, just speculating.)

Also when you say 0-60 in 1.5 seconds do you mean 1.5 seconds quicker than the TSX?

iforyou

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290hp/267lbft from the V6. These are the exact same numbers as the MDX. Let's see what 500-600lb less weight plus 3 extra gear ratios can do in the TLX.

I think he meant 1.5s faster to 60mph. That's definitely a huge improvement. The current TSX 6MT has been doing 0-60mph in mid 6's, and AT is in the mid 7's. To be conservative and assume 0-60mph in the current TSX takes 8s, 1.5s faster would bring that down to 6.5s. I think that's fast enough for most people opting for the base powertrain.

206hp sounds like there's only 5 more horsepower. But there's 10lbft more peak torque (and still can be more across the rev range), plus 3 extra gear ratios, with much faster shifts.

justnspace

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where have you been, man!?
lol! most auto manufactures have not been including a spare as early as 2010!

TeamAcura

The ability to offer AWD for all models will appeal to a much broader consumer base and I think this will help their sedan lineup a lot. The horsepower fans will not like the numbers but it seems Acura is focusing more on the overall ownership experience with all technological amenities. Technology drives the future and as consumers; it's all about who has the latest and greatest. The TLX appears to have all the bells and whistles but will it be enough? Personally, I think so if they get the pricing right on all trim levels. IMO, variety is key for the TLX. The Germans have been doing it for ages and they've been very successful to say the least. And thanks Corey!

Corey_Straker

Yup it's much needed! The AWD in the RDX is MORE responsive than the CR-V's AWD system, by how much I have no idea, this is what I was told during training.


Unlike others that think it's a 'mass marketing scheme', it's actually a letter that we send out whenever our inventory is getting low, now obviously we'd like to have the chance to put you into something new and earn your business again but that IS NOT the primary goal, the primary goal is to get inventory. The perfect car buying weather is right around the corner meaning we want to get the ball rolling with some clean, fresh inventory. If you ever come in ask for me! Always great talking to another AZ member.

And pricing, expect the Base 4 cylinder to be low/mid 30s and the SH-AWD advanced to be $49,995

Dammit, I thought I had proofred good enough. No it's an 1.5 seconds faster to 60mph than the outgoing TSX

I think this is a little harsh and too early to judge, I personally believe the 8DCT will make the power more than ample for the average driver, with the V6 option being the power plant for people seeking more power. Of course the TLX has to have less power than the RLX, it wouldn't make sense if it didn't. The RLX is the "Flagship" with the TLX being the "Volume" and the ILX being the "gateway" --> word for word what they told us.

I was able to slip a comment in to one of the designers and before I was able to speak he said "If your going to tell me to bring back the type-s or do away with the beak please save your breath, we hear this with every comment" I was kinda offended by what he said and before he could move on I replied with "Your only killing your own success, You might keep some people happy but you aren't keeping the most important ones happy, your loyal enthusiasts.". At this point my GM quickly shut me up.

Yes this is a huge trend right now, to give you an inflation kit like a fix a flat and if that's not enough Acura Roadside Assistance will eb able to assist. A spare tire on like a FWD MDX will run you about $800.

Even worse, I do believe the 6mt will be completely dead for Acura by 2016. The TLX isn't showing any manual option in the Interactive network. Only 8DC ( 8 speed dual clutch ) and 9AT ( 9 speed automatic ). But then again with the last TL I believe there was no manual option until 2010. Everyone pray!

reddogTL

If the i4 really is 1.5 seconds faster than the TSX that's impressive. That's close to what the V6 TL Auto can do 6~6.5s 0-60. Now I'm really interested in an i4 with Tech or Advance pkg(If they offer Advance on the i4 trim).

docboy

Corey definitely needs to respond to this 1.5s comment

The 4G TL 6MT has documented times of 0-60mph of 5.2-5.5 seconds; if it's going to be 1.5s faster, then we're going to have a performance monster on our hands here

Lol. I've noticed the lack of spare tires from other auto manufactures a few years ago, esp BMW equipping some of its sedans/coupes with RFTs, and they are very expensive to replace. A friend of mine had to replace 2 RFT and it costed him around $1000. I'm not liking RFTs, and I hope Acura strays away from the RFT route.

justnspace

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Dont mean to go off topic, butt, how in the world is that different from
"we would like your business, even if you are not looking or wanting a car."
if you re-stock your inventory, what would happen to the carless schmoe? oh yeah, he would have to buy a car.
what a coincidence! there's a car lot with brand new cars!!

reddogTL

If i read Corey's post right, the V6 is 0.5s faster so 5.2-5.5 previous generation would land it around 5 seconds 0-60. The 1.5 seconds faster is for the i4 TSX so 8~ seconds - 1.5 is around 6.5 seconds. This pretty much puts the new i4 TLX in the same performance as the 3G TL AT which is impressive since it will get 35mpg. Count me in to trade in my 3G for a new TLX.

Corey_Straker

No advanced package for the 4 cylinder at this time unfortunately. Or AWD for the 4 banger. I would expect 0-60 time of the TLX 4 cylinder to be in the mid/high 6's. I would expect the V6 AWD car to be even better with time in the high 4's and low 5's.

I got around to it. Didn't think it'd get that much attention. Acura used to have RFT in the 2005-2008 RL with CMBS I'm pretty sure. They were dropped during mid model change for the 09-12 RL.

Depends on how you look at it, I think your taking the opinion of every dealership is secretly ran by the devil. Ours defiantly is NOT. Our goal is not to put you into something you don't want, in fact I would feel pretty shitty if I put a customer into a car that he didn't end up liking. To some people this mailer isn't appealing as there car is payed off and they aren't looking for a car payment. To others who might be retired and have a clean car who maybe no longer need 2 cars and wouldn't ever consider selling it unless they got something saying it could be worth some money. It's also a good time to send it when we have the BEST deals on TL's or other models at the right time, meaning we can still dealer trade and have a good chance at finding the exact car you want even though production has stopped while getting the best possible deal.

internalaudit

Good move by Honda to offer AWD (hopefully SH-AWD) on its entire Acura line up. If that is one of the key technological marvels of driving an Acura, then making it universal will broaden the luxury division's appeal.

I hope Acura goes with SH-AWD all the way and stops scrimping on the inferior rendition.

Corey_Straker

Agreed, just like the jewel eye lights, every acura needs them and SH-AWD.

justnspace

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Ahhh, so it is a mass marketing letter! some will bite, some will not.

*not here to derail or be a nuisance, so this will be my last time mentioning the mass market letter.

Goosew

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It's comments like these that make me sad. Although, In some way I can see 'why' they're doing it this way. I would argue that their "enthusiast" base is really a minority of who they're targeting.

reddogTL

Damnit. Now I'm pumped up and excited over these new numbers. I'm going to the NY Auto show this saturday to check out the TLX debut.

Goosew

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Yea, until something goes bad, and it costs an arm and a leg to repair/replace.

I'm sure it's not as easy a replacing a HID lamp.

Corey_Straker

Depends on your definition of MASS

I know, it does stink. And for the rest of us I saw another post that said AWD will be availible in the 4 cylinder, this is NOT the case as shown HERE on Hondas interactive network.


Here is the 4 cylinder.


Here is the V6 model.

Corey_Straker

No. In fact I believe the entire headlight Assy has to be replaced. Which in case of the RLX is $2,080. per side. and $841. per side on the MDX.

aIRpeACE

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thanks Corey again for keeping us updated.

Goosew

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Corey, great information. Thanks.

I'm sure this has all been hashed out and I haven't searched properly, but is there something which will give the differences between the Tech and Adv? (eg. Blind Spot Monitoring on the advance, Lane Departure, etc).

What features will make to which trim I guess is the easiest way to ask.

reddogTL

Corey that other post was from me. It was a newsletter sent to me from DCH Acura in Montclair, NJ that said AWD will be available in all models. Its one of the other recent posts under the 5th Gen TLX thread. We all assumed it was a typo.

Goosew

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So, I wonder who's gonna be the first to try and bake one of those bad boys to take it apart and "fix" it

internalaudit

If the ILX can come with AWD by the 2016 model, I'm betting the TXL I4 will eventually be offered with the SH-AWD as well.

The ILX AWD will definitely not cannibalize the TLX SH-AWD since it's more of the former that will cannibalize the latter. Just my

Corey_Straker

Only guesses for now. I believe we can look at the RLX and MDX for our answers.

Tech will alert you IE Road departure Warning, the advacned will take it one step further and have the Road Departure Mitigation.

Expect the following added on top of the Tech package which will already have FCW, LDW, BSI, LKAS ( yes it's going to have it on tech ).

Expect this on the advanced added onto what the tech already has
-remote start
-exclusive rims
-cooled front seats
-CMBS
-Road departure Mitigation
-Adaptive Cruise Control
-front/rear parking sensors
- ( Doubt it but maybe ) Power rear sunshade
- ( Doubt it but maybe ) Rear door sunshades (manual )
- ( Doubt it but maybe ) Automatic High beams

reddogTL

Since ILX is more of a budget oriented vehicle I dont think it would get SH-AWD. Perhaps the watered down version of AWD like the RDX derrived from the CRV.

Corey_Straker

Sorry about that! Didn't mean to come off as rude, just wanted to clear up any misinformation. Some dealerships still don't know what the heck is going on.

THAT my friend is the question. Who has the 2 Grand balls to bake one of these suckers.