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Please help me with 2018 Acura Lease

Hi everyone.

Couple of questions I would like some answers to if you guys don't mind.

I currently have a 2015 ILX and the lease is up in a few months.

I was offered by acura for them to pay off my remaining payments and put me into a 2018 TLX V6 for around 370 with 0 down. This is the standard package and not with AWD. Is this a good price? I was looking into the A4 but the price is much more.

Also, what is the real differences between the tech and standard package? Is it worth it to pay extra for the tech package? Is the leather the same? Does it beep if someone drives next to me and I attempt to change lanes

How much faster will the V6 feel compared to my ilx?

Sorry for all the questions, just a little excited

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If you have an ILX and prepared to buy another Acura, you'll love it.

370 with 0 down sounds very reasonable, assuming 36mo.

How much faster will the V6 feel compared to my ilx?
If auto, about 25% quicker (and 25% more fuel consumption). Plus a much, MUCH richer sound.

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If you have an ILX and prepared to buy another Acura, you'll love it.

370 with 0 down sounds very reasonable, assuming 36mo.



About 25% quicker (and 25% more fuel consumption). Plus a much, MUCH richer sound.
I cant find much on the 0-60.. any ideas? Compared to the ilx?
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I cant find much on the 0-60.. any ideas? Compared to the ilx?
When you think about acceleration, do you think holding the brakes, rev the engine at 2000-2500rpm if not more, and then release the brakes?

If NOT, you are interested in the 5-60mph acceleration (from idle, just mash it), forget the 0-60.

And the TLX V6 FWD 5-60mph is excellent; 5.8s, actually 0.1s quicker than the much touted for manual BMW 340i with more HP.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0i-test-review

It will meet your expectations.

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When you think about acceleration, do you think holding the brakes, rev the engine at 2000-2500rpm if not more, and then release the brakes?

If NOT, you are interested in the 5-60mph acceleration (from idle, just mash it), forget the 0-60.

And the TLX V6 FWD 5-60mph is excellent; 5.8s, actually 0.1s quicker than the much touted for manual BMW 340i with more HP.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0i-test-review

It will meet your expectations.
First of all,

Second, OP that's actually a terrible deal for a standard V6 without AWD.

They are heavily inflating the numbers somewhere. Ask for a detailed quote on everything for the lease especially the money factor, cap cost, adjusted cap cost, money down, incentives, selling price, and residual.

Based on my math and current MF/residuals/incentives, you should be into a TLX V6 FWD for well under $300 with zero down.

I don't come in here often, sometimes just to look lol.
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Second, OP that's actually a terrible deal for a standard V6 without AWD.
OP, don't listen to that guy and his nutty religion, he has no clue. For example, 300HP FWD Chevy Impala have been around for many, many years and no real complaint.

Yes I have a AWD and still recommend the FWD.
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Shaky numbers too much variance between old test data & new data to be sure. You can always pick the set you like the best but the two tests done this year against the new models might be the best you can get.

I like the 2018 440 numbers best, Saintor likes the old 5-60 numbers best but not the 2018 BMW 5-60 version, real surprise there.

C&D Jun 2017 test 2018 440 5-60 5.0 0-60 4.4

C&D Jun 2015 test 2015 435X 5-60 5.5 0.60 4.5


C&D Aug 2017 test 2018 TLX 5-60 5.9 0-60 5.7

C&D Feb 2016 test 2016 340 5-60 5.9 0-60 4.8 6MT

C&D Apr 2016 test 2016 340X 5-60 6.2 0-60 4.9

C&D Sep 2015 test 2015 TLX 5-60 6.2 0-60 5.8

Actually its very hard to compare any numbers that were not run side but side but we have fun with them anyway. Just as an aside my 440 has about 40 more horsepower to the rear wheels then the one in the test. Don't know what that would convert to in the timed runs but the base 440 looks pretty good.

Most all the magazines put the TLX near the bottom in 0-60 runs against most of the cars they test it with. Maybe next generation will go turbo & move up if 0-60 is important to you.

On lease pricing you need the detail that SamDoe1 listed to see if the deal is good. Dealers love guys that just shop monthly payments because they always kill them on the deal.

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OP, don't listen to that guy and his nutty religion, he has no clue. For example, 300HP FWD Chevy Impala have been around for many, many years and no real complaint.

Yes I have a AWD and still recommend the FWD.
What does this have to do with the lease deal he asked about?
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Shaky numbers too much variance between old test data & new data to be sure but you can always pick the set you like the best. I like the 2018 440 numbers best, Saintor likes the old 5-60 numbers best but not the 2018 BMW 5-60 version, real surprise there.

C&D Jun 2017 test 2018 440 5-60 5.0 0-60 4.4
C&D Jun 2015 test 2015 435X 5-60 5.5 0.60 4.5

C&D Aug 2017 test 2018 TLX 5-60 5.9 0-60 5.7
C&D Feb 2016 test 2016 340 5-60 5.9 0-60 4.8 6MT
C&D Apr 2016 test 2016 340X 5-60 6.2 0-60 4.9
C&D Sep 2015 test 2015 TLX 5-60 6.2 0-60 5.8
Well you are trying to flood him with irrelevant data while I got the essential.

Has been there, done that (again).
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Well you are trying to flood him with irrelevant data while I got the essential.

Has been there, done that (again).
Problem is as usual you gave him bad data. What is it about the 2015 data set you used that makes more essential to the OP than the 2017 data set that I used? I can see from your point of view the 2015 data is essential because it makes the car look a little better but still loses by almost a full second on the 0-60 question the OP asked. So what is the point of BS'ing a guy that might be spending a bunch of money based on these answers?

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Problem is as usual you gave him bad data.
No I did not.

But you didn't mind segregating data with ZF8 equipped with launch control, which definitely helps, but coming from an ILX 5-sp., he probably doesn't really care.
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No I did not.

But you didn't mind segregating data with ZF8 equipped with launch control, which definitely helps, but coming from an ILX 5-sp., he probably doesn't really care.
There is no MT in the TLX so he is buying a TLX with an ZF9. The transmission you tell us is wonderful in Sport+ every chance you get. As for LC had it since 2011 & never use it so I don't think about it. Its to slow for people who can actually drive the car like pro-testers will skip it but regardless nice try & its the little extras are what make cars different from each other.

So anyway in your favorite ax to grind in the 5-60 run the 2018 TLX is almost a full second slower then the 2018 BMW440 which has zero to do with Launch Control.
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Edmunds is stating $4000 lease incentives on some models so try to factor that into your deal. Check out the TLX Lease forum there for more info on rates and incentives.
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There standard deal online is this..2018 TLX 9 Speed Automatic Featured Special Lease

$339 Per month for 36 months.

$2,499 Total due at signing.

So I don't see how 360 with zero down is a bad deal.

While I appreciate the back and forth fighting in here, any other of the questions that can be answered lol

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Edmunds is stating $4000 lease incentives on some models so try to factor that into your deal. Check out the TLX Lease forum there for more info on rates and incentives.

Thanks will do
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There's far more wiggle room than you imagine by looking at their "standard" deal on their website. Get competitive bids from multiple dealers and you'll be surprised how much you could save. The incentives I mentioned are direct to dealer from Acura incentives. They don't in theory have to offer it to you, but many will use that additional incentive to sweeten the deal for you. Use the standard deal you mentioned as a minimum starting point and see how much more you can have taken off. TLX's aren't high volume sellers so use that to your advantage to squeeze the best deal possible.Pit the dealers against each other to get the best price.
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Originally Posted by italiannyc View Post
Hi everyone.

Couple of questions I would like some answers to if you guys don't mind.

I currently have a 2015 ILX and the lease is up in a few months.

I was offered by acura for them to pay off my remaining payments and put me into a 2018 TLX V6 for around 370 with 0 down. This is the standard package and not with AWD. Is this a good price? I was looking into the A4 but the price is much more.

Also, what is the real differences between the tech and standard package? Is it worth it to pay extra for the tech package? Is the leather the same? Does it beep if someone drives next to me and I attempt to change lanes

How much faster will the V6 feel compared to my ilx?

Sorry for all the questions, just a little excited

Thanks for the help guys.
Based on your questions I don't think you went for a test drive yet. Make sure you like it, don't do what I did and be blinded by the discount. Many TLXs around, shop and use other models. Mentioning A4 will force them to give you better deal.
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Originally Posted by italiannyc View Post
There standard deal online is this..2018 TLX 9 Speed Automatic Featured Special Lease

$339 Per month for 36 months.

$2,499 Total due at signing.

So I don't see how 360 with zero down is a bad deal.

While I appreciate the back and forth fighting in here, any other of the questions that can be answered lol

Thanks
What is the capitalized cost - how much is the lease based on MSRP or some discounted amount.
Capitalized cost reduction - money you put in - down payment
What is the money factor - interest rate for a lease
What is the residual cost - value of the car at the end of the lease
Term - number of months
Mileage - how many miles a year can you drive the car - more/less will change the monthly
Other small addons like acquisition cost, disposal fees, Doc fees, taxes etc.

Without this as a minimum there is no way to tell what kind of a deal it is. Could be OK, good or you are getting cleaned out.

Any of this stuff you could have looked up very easily on the net, interesting that you are thinking about going to go on the hook for $15K + $2500 & did not bother to investigate lease financing on your own.
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Looks like it's this deal:

Available dates:January 3, 2018 - February 28, 2018
Closed-end lease for 2018 TLX 9 Speed Automatic vehicles (UB2F3JJW) available from January 3, 2018 through February 28, 2018, available to well-qualified lessees approved by Acura Financial Services. Not all lessees will qualify. Higher lease rates apply for lessees with lower credit ratings. Lease offers vary based on MSRP. MSRP $37,165.00 (includes destination, excludes tax, license, title fee, registration, documentation fee, options, insurance and the like). Actual net capitalized cost $31,619.63. Net capitalized cost includes $595 acquisition fee. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect actual lease payment. Total monthly payments $12,204.00. Option to purchase at lease end $20,812.40.
Must take new retail delivery on vehicle from dealer stock by February 28, 2018. Lessee responsible for maintenance, excessive wear/tear and 15˘/mile over 10,000 miles/year for vehicles with MSRP less than $30,000, and 20˘/mile over 10,000 miles/year for vehicles with MSRP of $30,000 or more. See your Acura dealer for complete details.
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So anyway in your favorite ax to grind in the 5-60 run the 2018 TLX is almost a full second slower then the 2018 BMW440 which has zero to do with Launch Control.
Don't care. My links are still valid. Despite your perpetual whining and hair splitting, the TLX V6 FWD has a quicker 5-60 [or same] than a manual 340i, as I wrote. It is even true for the AWD versions.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ve-test-review

OP, $360-370/mo (with tax in) looks like the ticket. Residual is low at less than 58% but this payment is compatible with near 0% interest rate and a discount of $4000 (11%)

opt 1

A. MSRP $ 36 200,00
B. PDI $ 965,00
C. DISCOUNT11,0%
D. RESIDUAL %58%
E. RESIDUAL $ (A*D) $ 20 815,00
F. DOWN PAYMENT$0,0
G. FEES$0,0
H. TERM36
I. SALE PRICE (A*(1-C)) $ 32 218,00
J. APR (MONEY FACTOR * 2400)0,00%
K. MONTHLY INT. ON RESIDUAL (E*J/12) $ -
L. DEPRECIATION (I-E) $ 12 368,00
M. MONTHLY DEPRECIATION (EXCEL PMT * -1), with DP and FEES$343,56
N. SUBTOTAL (K+M+B/F) $ 343,56
O. TAX0,00%
P. TOTAL (L*(1+M)) $ 343,56

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If there is a 4k lease incentive, then you should be able to negotiate 6k off msrp easily
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Don't care. My links are still valid. Despite your perpetual whining and hair splitting, the TLX V6 FWD has a quicker 5-60 [or same] than a manual 340i, as I wrote. It is even true for the AWD versions.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...wd-test-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ve-test-review

OP, $360-370/mo (with tax in) looks like the ticket. Residual is low at less than 58% but this payment is compatible with near 0% interest rate and a discount of $4000 (11%)

opt 1

A. MSRP $ 36 200,00
B. PDI $ 965,00
C. DISCOUNT11,0%
D. RESIDUAL %58%
E. RESIDUAL $ (A*D) $ 20 815,00
F. DOWN PAYMENT$0,0
G. FEES$0,0
H. TERM36
I. SALE PRICE (A*(1-C)) $ 32 218,00
J. APR (MONEY FACTOR * 2400)0,00%
K. MONTHLY INT. ON RESIDUAL (E*J/12) $ -
L. DEPRECIATION (I-E) $ 12 368,00
M. MONTHLY DEPRECIATION (EXCEL PMT * -1), with DP and FEES$343,56
N. SUBTOTAL (K+M+B/F) $ 343,56
O. TAX0,00%
P. TOTAL (L*(1+M)) $ 343,56
Haven’t been visiting Acura forum for a long time.Damn Acura lease is ridiculously expensive.I leased a $61k decently equipped 530e for my wife. My down payment (including tax and first month lease payment plus fees) was $5k.And my monthly before Alameda 9.75% tax was about $395 per month. Don’t see how Acura could compete with tlx pricing.
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Don't care. My links are still valid.
Of course you don't care it the present, think I said that in my post. Years gone by are so much safer for guys like you. The cold hard light of a fresh dawn can be upsetting to your well ordered world.

Dawn of the 2018's, some interesting comments.
TLX 3.5L 290BHP 440 3.0 320BHP
Weight 3812 3710
5-60 5.9 5.0
0-60 5.7 4.4
1/4 Mile 14.2 @ 100 12.9 @ 109
MPG Actual 21/31 25/37 (OUCH)
Range Actual 530/580

Saintor now scrambles for some more old data.

2018 BMW 440Xi AWD

ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve inline-6, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 183 cu in, 2998 cc
Power: 320 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 330 lb-ft @ 1380 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 8-speed automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 110.6 in
Length: 182.7 in
Width: 71.9 in Height: 54.2 in
Passenger volume: 94 cu ft
Trunk volume: 16 cu ft
Curb weight: 3710 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.2 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 28.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec
Standing Ľ-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 166 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g
FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA combined/city/highway: 25/21/32 mpgC/D observed: 25 mpg
C/D observed 75-mph highway driving: 37 mpg
C/D observed highway range: 580 mi

2018 TLX A-Spec SHAWD
ENGINE TYPE: SOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 212 cu in, 3471 cc
Power: 290 hp @ 6200 rpm
Torque: 267 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 9-speed automatic with manual shifting mod
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 109.3 in
Length: 191.5 in
Width: 73.0 in Height: 57.0 in
Passenger volume: 94 cu ft
Trunk volume: 14 cu ft
Curb weight: 3812 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 22.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.1 sec
Standing Ľ-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 168 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 gFUEL ECONOMY:
EPA combined/city/highway: 23/20/29 mpg
C/D observed: 21 mpg
C/D observed 75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
C/D observed: 530 mi
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HeHe, Saintor, Just looking at the chart don't know it you are is a 2015/16 SHAWD or not but noticed some things I did not expect. Passenger Volume 94 & 94. Trunk Volume TLX 14cuft 440 16cuft. Something I was talking about to Christopher. On a pass if I had the base 320BHP can go from 50-70 in the same amount of time the TLX takes to go from 30-50.

Also of interest is how much the AWD takes out of the 440 skidpad dropping the RWD's .91G+ to .86G also adds 10 feet to its stopping distance. In the case of the TLX the SHAWD its just the opposite & improves both the skidpad & braking making it the way to go with that car.
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Dawn of the 2018's, some interesting comments.
TLX 3.5L 290BHP 440 3.0 320BHP
Bear,

So what's the point of comparing a ~$60,000 BMW coupe against a ~$40,000 Acura sedan? As I have stated before, I would hope for a 50% price premium one could get a a quicker, better handling car. Your data proves that point, but most of us don't have an extra 50% to spend on a car. If we did, we probably wouldn't hang around the Acurazine forum telling everyone how much bigger and better our BMW is...

Hurray!

You win!

(Although I still don't know how that helps the OP's leasing question?)
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Bear,

So what's the point of comparing a ~$60,000 BMW coupe against a ~$40,000 Acura sedan? As I have stated before, I would hope for a 50% price premium one could get a a quicker, better handling car. Your data proves that point, but most of us don't have an extra 50% to spend on a car. If we did, we probably wouldn't hang around the Acurazine forum telling everyone how much bigger and better our BMW is...

Hurray!

You win!

(Although I still don't know how that helps the OP's leasing question?)
OP asked "How much faster will the V6 feel compared to my ilx?"

Saintor instead of just telling him a lot faster then his ILX replied with a comparison to a BMW using 2015 data. Would hate to see the OP rely on that data then get his butt kicked out of a traffic light or from a roll the first time he made a challenge. I just updated it with current 2017 data on new 2018 cars. You have a bitch ask him why he brought up BMW into the thread, not me.

That said a lot of posts here in the last few days about finally getting parity with the Germans with 2G maybe having a V6T. Why not know what the Sport Sedan/Coupe target is they are shooting for actually does. Knowledge will set you free.


BTW you can get that performance for a lot less then $60K With the right deal its reachable for people buying top end TLX's

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ACURA BEST IN CLASS IN PERFORMANCE

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Was a time the TL was best in class in performance. My TL ran neck & neck with my 330 & on any given day one was quicker then the other. One of the current TLX performance problems is it turns in almost exactly the same numbers ae the 2004 TL in this test also by C&D. Everybody else has moved on.

I use BMW as a comparison because I drive it & can talk from experience. Truth of the matter if I preferred a different body style I could be talking about Audi, MB, Infiniti, Alpha, Stinger, Jaguar, Lexus or SAAB. Everybody who is in this test has moved forward over the past 14 years while the TLX is still running with the same basic engine that was once the pick of the litter. New vendors like ALPHA & Stinger have slotted right into the same performance envelope.

Sorry if that pisses some off but there is always the ignore command so you don't get upset.

BTW for all those who say they are happy with the cars performance nothing I write should bother you. For those who want more performance what other brands are doing might be of intertest.
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Of course you don't care it the present, think I said that in my post. Years gone by are so much safer for guys like you. The cold hard light of a fresh dawn can be upsetting to your well ordered world.

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I know that you are old, thick and we obviously need to repeat. The 440i is irrelevant because I chose to make the 5-60 comparison with manual 340i, my choice, and I need no validation or nonsense from you.. I specified manual and not only a 340i/440i and 340i 2016 still applies - DO YOU WANT UNDERSTAND NOW.
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Haven’t been visiting Acura forum for a long time.Damn Acura lease is ridiculously expensive.I leased a $61k decently equipped 530e for my wife. My down payment (including tax and first month lease payment plus fees) was $5k.And my monthly before Alameda 9.75% tax was about $395 per month. Don’t see how Acura could compete with tlx pricing.
You are talking the new 530e? On their site, a $60800 530e leases for $863 zéro down before tax. That's a long way from $395, That is $450+ a difference. I would be curious to know the details.
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Can't find much information on the sound system. I had the premium package on my ILX which included a sub but was not ELS sound.

Is the standard system any better now? Mine is a 2016 ILX .. or is the tech package worth the extra money for the ELS system? I am pretty sure they will charge me more money on a lease for the tech package compared to adding AWD, considering its 2000 to add AWD and over 3200 to add tech. I just like that the tech includes the blind spot sensors and back up sensors. Those 2 me are the most important ones and of course you gotta get the tech for it, which they come on my premium ILX

It just sucks that Acura only has like 10 speakers. The Audi has around 19 I believe.

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I know that you are old, thick and we obviously need to repeat. The 440i is irrelevant because I chose to make the 5-60 comparison with manual 340i, my choice, and I need no validation or nonsense from you.. I specified manual and not only a 340i/440i and 340i 2016 still applies - DO YOU WANT UNDERSTAND NOW.
Yeah you cherry picked the oldest slowest 6MT combo you could find looking to scrape out an advantage & still did no better then tie in your test but still lost by a second in the normal 0-60 run that people actually look at as meaningful. Great selling point.

Thing you need to understand although since you owned one, even if it was a base model, I expect you know BMW holds the same advertised HP numbers even though they improve the engine during each model run. Why do you think the 2018 is so much quicker then the 2016 even though the advertised power did not change from 320BHP? Nice thing about a turbo tickle the ECU for a few pounds more boost adds nice hunks of WHP.

The N54 2006 to 2011 had 5 different versions all listed at 300 but dynos showed a constant improvement. The N55 had three levels of improvement including opening the turbo down pipes from 3.5 to 4" & going to electric waste gates but held the same power rating.

Point is the OP will lease a 2018 TLX which performs just like the 2004 TL while the rest of the world buying or leasing a 2018 has moved forward to 0-60 4.4, 5-60 5.0 & 12 second 1/4 miles. In all fairness I should mention that the TLX did knock 2/10ths of a second off the 2004 TL's time in the 5-60.

BTW the current info is the 2019 M340 G series will be looking at around 380BHP up from the current 320BHP (331WHP). Most of the others are already around 400BHP advertised so the TLX has a pretty steep climb but a redo of engines from the ground up to 4 cams & Turbo charging from the 2 cams N/A will be a big help. There is no way a 20 year old engine design can keep up the with the other 6 or 7 cars that people think about in this group when they regularly bring out new models with new engines.

Hey being as your a big MPG guy how did you like C&D's actual mileage?

440 C/D observed: 25 mpg - C/D observed 75-mph highway driving: 37 mpg - C/D observed highway range: 580 mi
TLX
C/D observed: 21 mpg - C/D observed 75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg - C/D observed highway range: 530 mi

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I know that you are old, thick and we obviously need to repeat. The 440i is irrelevant because I chose to make the 5-60 comparison with manual 340i, my choice, and I need no validation or nonsense from you.. I specified manual and not only a 340i/440i and 340i 2016 still applies - DO YOU WANT UNDERSTAND NOW.
Simple question. The OP is leasing a 2018 AT TLX. If you wanted to give him a fair comparison why did you not choose a 2018 AT 340/440?
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You are talking the new 530e? On their site, a $60800 530e leases for $863 zéro down before tax. That's a long way from $395, That is $450+ a difference. I would be curious to know the details.
1. In Dec, BMW dealer contribute $1800 toward the 530e.
2. BMW holiday cash was $3000.
3. Owner loyalty was $2000 for me (currently 5 series or better owner- 13 M5 bought new).
4. Invoice was close to $2k below sticker.
5. Residue I think was $38k and msrp was 60,xxx.
6. My total drive off was $5000.

I have excellent credit and very low money factor. So net payment before tax was $395. With tax was $433.I am still qualified for federal tax credit of $4k. I also can get another $1k from BMW club.So in reality my drive off was $0.
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Seems reasonable that his payment is what he says it is.. I am in the $500's without the holiday cash but with an invoice deal, dealer cash, loyality & a MSD of $5000 which I get back at the end of the lease, a max FICO score that dropped the interest rate. Also my MSRP was a few K more. Back end was $500 to me from the BMWCCA an $850 performance driving school session with two nights hotel & meals compted with $500 rebate for unused lease miles on the 435.

I know I pi** off some with the performance thing but those who say they are happy with the cars performance should just ignore me. I would. I use the 440 because its what I drive but if I drove an Infiniti RED I could say pretty much the same things on the performance numbers. Add MB, Audi, Caddy, Stinger etc to the group & what you are buying at that level is the look & interior you like best. They all perform pretty much the same regardless of fan claims.

I post here because the marketing dynamic really interests me. How much did the TL's top of the line as per my 2004 chart contribute to the 70,000 cars a year sale & how much did its decline in performance by not improving in 14 years hurt & drive the sale to 30,000 cars a year. I know the 4G was a hard call. It still had at least middle of the road performance but the body style distorts the why it collapsed to some degree.

Lastly I like to comment on some of the claims made when I think they are inaccurate or incomplete. Thoughts by some as to how easy & cheap it will be for ACURA to catch up can also use other thoughts. I go out of my way not to name call or demine people so while some may not be interested or disturbed by my posts other might find them a little bit informative.

I write what I please & anyone who is unhappy with the content is welcome to make a rebuttal on the merits or simply ignore them.

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Simple question. The OP is leasing a 2018 AT TLX. If you wanted to give him a fair comparison why did you not choose a 2018 AT 340/440?
Stop yelling at the clouds and making a GrandPa Simpson of yourself.
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1. In Dec, BMW dealer contribute $1800 toward the 530e.
2. BMW holiday cash was $3000.
3. Owner loyalty was $2000 for me (currently 5 series or better owner- 13 M5 bought new).
4. Invoice was close to $2k below sticker.
5. Residue I think was $38k and msrp was 60,xxx.
6. My total drive off was $5000.

I have excellent credit and very low money factor. So net payment before tax was $395. With tax was $433.I am still qualified for federal tax credit of $4k. I also can get another $1k from BMW club.So in reality my drive off was $0.
But your payment of $433 is still with $5K upfront. They are very good deals nonetheless. I don't think that we have anything close to sub-$600/mo for a $60K BMW in Canada.
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Stop yelling at the clouds and making a GrandPa Simpson of yourself.



Agree the lease deals are very attractive.
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But your payment of $433 is still with $5K upfront. They are very good deals nonetheless. I don't think that we have anything close to sub-$600/mo for a $60K BMW in Canada.
In US I can get the $5k back thru tax credit plus BMW club bonus.This is a plug-in hybrid and that qualified for tax credit.
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I keep reiterating that if you ask subjective questions, you'll get subjective answers.
how in the world do people not realize this?
asking if a v6 is faster than a four cylinder is such an odd question to ask, as there is no replacement for displacement

I understand a vehicle is the 2nd largest purchase one would make and it makes sense for one to ask questions.
However, since EVERYone of us is different, there will be different answers according to who you ask.

the best bet is to get into the vehicle of your choice to test drive and figure all this stuff out for your own experience.

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