mylove4cars

Twin Turbo

ostrich

I would buy it at this price if it looked exactly like the TLX prototype in the beautiful "athletic red" that we are NOT allowed to have!!!!!!!!!!!!

AirForceFX

rockyfeller

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Twin turbo? Ya OK. Let's see if this car can get a 7MT first.

$57K is just crazy IMO. Top trim with A-spec was $20k less when I bought my car. I know at that price it's fully loaded, but it's approaching E-class territory.

VR1

If it has atleast 380-400hp.. Maybe..

mylove4cars

Caddy CTS V-sport 440 Hp - Come on, this would be perfectly possible. The impact on the overall sales of Acura would rise. If Acura does not see the picture; they are really blind, look @ the world car industry and where its going. The new NSX for 2015 might be a nice and expensive supercar limited to the very wealthy, a TLX SH-AWD with a V6 Twin Turbo and 440 Hp could be a reachable dream for many. Acura would be able to reimage themselves in a horse power hungry car society.
Will do a Poll and see who is interested?

Rocketsfan

I agree. Cars with 400 hp are flying off the shelves because that's exactly what the world wants. I'm sure it'll get 35 mpg, be 4 door, have folding rear seats, and be under $40,000, but alas, it wouldn't have exposed tailpipes in the back, so I wouldn't buy it.

mylove4cars

perception

Rocketsfan

Sadly, I'm not buying perception. Those who see a $100,000+ supercar and somehow think their entry-level sports sedan can compare are more than welcome to perceive what they wish.

mylove4cars

Yep; BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Ford, Cadillac, and many more go this road, a TLX with this as third car option (Meaning 3 cars - 4 Cyl - V6 - V6 Twin Turbo) around 57K for the TT sold to me, I like performance. All a matter of taste!


Comparing?

KeithL

I highly doubt 400+ HP are "flying" off the shelf. Sure it looks that way and they get bought quickly, but they are usually a small slice of the production run of a model, do you think the majority of CTS' are V-Sport of CTS-V? unlikely, but it does create a brand awareness and image that people aspire to that then gets buyers in the door that will buy the lower models. I can count on my hands how many CTV-Vs I have seen in the last gen CTS, yet I see CTS' all the time.

iamitman

57K for an Acura? What are you smoking? Get an S5!

mylove4cars

Indeed brand awareness; identity, example look at the Nissan GT-R the best marketing tool and move Nissan has ever done, You-tube and the likes are saturated with the word (Gozilla - GT-R). Besides a lot of brands have at least one high performance car in there line-up. All about marketing. Honda came strong being involved in racing Formula1 - Honda Engine McLaren body in the 1988.

"Honda to make 2015 return with McLaren
McLaren have confirmed a multi-year technology partnership with Honda, reviving one of the most famous technical associations in Formula One history.

From the start of 2015, McLaren's cars will be powered by Honda engines and energy recovery systems, renewing a relationship between the two companies that won four drivers’ championships, four constructors’ championships and 44 Grand Prix’s between 1988 and 1992."

Like with most products, marketing equals image and recognition.

iamitman

I guess you haven't heard about the NSX?

BEAR-AvHistory

They are struggling with the current pricing, at $57K for a TLX they might just shutter the plant & put the savings into U.S. Treasuries

mylove4cars

You do not understand, in case the new NSX would be an evolution of the old NSX yes!

The new NSX is a Supercar going more in the direction of the Lexus LFA $375,000.00 and the likes.

The Nissan GT-R when launched was $69,000

I'm talking about a TLX variation, not one car 3 cars. Like many brands do.

What is mind boggling to me is the negativity almost to the extent of being hideous. Is this an Acura Forum?

winstrolvtec

Always interesting to see the responses when it's a hypothetical Acura product relative to pricing. Truth is few people buy top of the line variation anyway, anywhere. Looking at the market, that price tag wouldn't be uncalled for in the slightest, objectively speaking anyway, so long as it was both performance and feature competitive, as it would appear to be but hard to say because it isn't here at the same time.

However, I would consider that a model like that might actually help lower end trim/variation sales, like what everybody else does, as opposed to assuming that there is solely a problem with the way the car is priced as is. Could be but that but could be a few other things or a combination as well.

This is largely a fault to Acura but the thing is you will always have those who will say "that for that kind of money you can get this". My issue with that is what kind of "this" are you getting? In most cases I wonder if anyone has actually shopped and priced these cars or are only basing it in passing because of the name or brands involved.

To use the above example an E class at the 350 trim level well appointed as that hypothetical TT Acura would be near if not above that $57k price. Now the TLX won't necessarily be at that level of overall luxury but has the performance and sport distinct model factor nontheless, just as a loaded 335 does to a 5 series, an S4/5 to an A6, etc. I would hope that people just the same have a problem with 335 and S4/5 pricing.

As I said, it's largely Acura's fault for allowing people to think that way or doing things that contribute to the fact but then again people do also need a perspective adjustment sometimes, as stated above about an entry level car compared to $100k supercar because it just so happens to fall under the same brand or something to that effect.

Not to say I would get it necessarily because it does not actually exist but it would be shopped or compared by me personally next to cars already named above, E class, 5 series, CTS-V, S4/S5, etc and I would have no problem in doing so. Not exactly sure why there would be.

iamitman

Acura brand is "Smart Luxury" aka bargain basement. It was getting outdated in terms of tech so now the whole refreshed models offer more bang for buck than any other cars out there. I think that is what "Perception" Acura is going for. They know they can compete with Audi, BMW, and Mercedes, so no point in trying alienate its customer base who already adore the brand for a good deal they get.

KeithL

Vaporware, but hopefully soon. Let's see how Acura utilizes it to build brand. It is funny how they halo is a very sporty 2 door that resembles nothing else in the lineup. At least with CTS-V and MB AMG models are variations of what most can buy.

Rocketsfan

I guess my sarcasm didn't work well. I should've used red text.

rockyfeller

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This right here has been the problem with Acura in the recent years. They DON'T get it. A company with such great potential yet still so lost. That's why our expectations are not so high and we almost expect them to screw up something. A lot of companies have learned some expensive lessons and Acura is still learning from it's own, yet it still continues to make them.

The NSX is a great example. They WOWED the world unveiling it in 2011. To launch in 2015?? Are they stupid? They should have launched that car in 2013 while the pan was still hot. It has been the best time for that supercar territory because the ultra-rich have been on that economic uprise just looking for a new toy. (notice I said ultra-rich on the uprise, not the middle class ) It was prime time. Why wait? What is keeping this company from forging ahead into new territory and taking risks?

Now they say it will launch in 2015. OK that's nice. By that time the design already is not looking as cutting edge as it did 3 yrs ago. They also gave their competitors a head start and gave their game away in a sense. And here they are with a volume car that most of us might buy and they're being hush about it. In some ways I understand where they are coming from and why they do these things, but they don't translate. This company is run by idiots.

mylove4cars

You’re members name by itself is a statement - lol

Steven Bell

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mylove4cars, be sure to try the Multi-Quote button. It's the middle icon in the lower right of each post.

It allows you to respond to more than one person in a single reply. It will look like Post #10.


Cheers!

BEAR-AvHistory

Its an Acura forum but that is not proof against others critically evaluating your proposal. Most people who can afford these cars are not going to roll over for happy talk just because it has an Acura label.

You are talking about a performance TLX sedan variant being built & sold by a company with no performance history in its product line priced against performance cars that have history & still don't sell in large numbers.

Thinking about the NSX as a halo car to support the $57K price remember Chevy sells a ZR-1 Corvette for $130,000. However, Chevy's most expensive performance sedan the 415HP SS is only $47K about $10K less than the proposed TLX twin turbo.

In addition to the Chevy SS being called the 4 door Camaro SS by the automotive press its performance cred is boosted by its presence in NASCAR. Still they are selling under 300 units a month.

Despite a lot of the chatter & I would buy if or I would buy that, selling an actual performance based car is a tuff row to hoe. They are quite expensive compared to their brothers without the performance parts & only look slightly different.

I don't believe Acura needs a twin turbo performance car as much as it needed the prototype to have been the production model.

My 335is was in production for about 3 years & they sold about 5K coupes & less convertibles. Not sure of the total 135is convert sales in its two years but mine is one of only three in the US with the exact same configuration & its not that much out of the ordinary. There is one other in Canada.

HAWAII-TSX

If they make it in a low production type s version (like m cars) with distinct styling for $57k i'd buy one. And I drive a Bmw 550 with 400hp(msrp $75k).

Distinct styling (quad exhaust body kit exclusive colors ) Acura performance, tech, and reliability for $57k = a combination few auto makers I know can touch.

justnspace

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who wants to buy a 57000 dollar car when the transmission will ultimately go out?

HAWAII-TSX

people like me buy BMWs with far more problems then just transmission failure for more money. Not to mention the new trans might be more reliable. I trust acura reliability/reputation far more then BMW

H_CAR

Someone sounds pissed their 2006 TL lost it's transmission

You have no proof of that happening, and Honda/Acura don't have widespread transmission issues anymore.

BEAR-AvHistory

Search "torque converter"

George Knighton

You're suggesting a roadworthy version of PD's TLX GT ?

Tonyware

^^ Win races on Sunday, sell cars on Monday. Enzo look out! Here comes Acura

justnspace

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lol
I have a 6MT.

History repeats itself.
the DCT sounds promising but is only coupled to the 4 cylinder

George Knighton

Well...just to be clear...I was told by some friends not to jump on the RLX Hybrid bandwagon until December, and I was told that specifically because they felt and expressed openly that around that time I might very well be more interested in a TLX than in an RLX.

Nobody said, "TLX GT" but it's very easy for one's mind to wander.

I can very well imagine that they've manipulated the rules to be sure that Cunningham is going to be winning and they are hoping to capitalize on it.

They're paying a weight penalty for some things on the TLX GT that are not homologated, and they might not want to keep doing that next year.

Tonyware

^^ Some very good thinking George. But you just got an RLX so keep it for a while. I am thinking of trading in my TL for an RLX (the current PAWS advance model). Not because there is anything wrong with the TL but its getting old and hate to have to change tyres and brake pads over and over again. More or less peace of mind I guess. Instead of blowing a couple of $K on a timing belt, water pump, spark plugs etc when I hit 160k km by the end of the year, I might as well put that as a downpayment for a new car. I am sure the tyres will go again and there is another $1k gone. Also the torque converter extended warranty goes to 160k km (I think) after that if something funny happens and it also takes out the transmission, its going to be a total disaster. Yes, people think about these things.

What would make me buy a TLX? Reliability. If I start reading here that this and that broke down or I have to spend 2-3 times in the first 6 months of ownership at the dealership shop to fix stuff under warranty, then its a no deal for me. I am sure its going to be a fine car. But, after owning Honda/Acura products for the past 25 years, I know early adopters get screwed. Not as much screwed as some other brands, and lets not name names now, but still annoying stuff. The local dealership here do their best to keep people happy. Even they say to me "wait!!! don't rush into anything!!!".

Now all that changes if they offer the TLX GT engine as a crate engine... then I'll be tempted to roll up my sleeves once again, stock up on back pain medication - lol - keep the TL and start messing with it, while I get a used ILX base model for a daily driver.

Some snowy Sunday thoughts...

PS. the pirelli world challenge is streaming live their events at their web site: http://www.world-challenge.com/. They got cancelled yesterday due to bad weather, we'll see whats going on today...

George Knighton

I dunno about that. There's a lot of electronics involved. Are you really prepared for all that?

Tonyware

^^ not really But its nice to dream I have the facilities in the home garage and tools etc. Only problem is that it takes time I may not have due to work and family. Oh well...

Doubt they'll offer it as a crate engine. They'll probably surprise everyone by introducing the Type S in a couple of years, after they beat the crap out of that engine on the race track, work out all the bugs and fine tune for emissions etc. A monster carbon fiber Type S with 500+ hp and 500+ torque TLX for sale around $100k is possible. A GT-R killer. It all depends how the economy is going to be in 2 to 4 years from now.

PS. It will be fun to watch the Acura/Honda people running around the track picking up blown engine parts after a race, just to keep their secrets, just like the good old days

boe_d

$57,000 for a TLX?!?!? Are you an oil sheikh? Does it come with a BMW mini stuffed in the trunk? I like Acura but you could be a much nicer car for $57K. I have a Honda civic for sale for only $37,000 if you are looking for a steal!

1Triniguy

$57,000 for a TLX? You must be smoking crack! Look, I love my 09 TL, but I understand that Acura is a "premium" brand and not a luxury brand. Pricing it as such (like a luxury brand a la Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc). takes away from the value proposition of the brand.
Acura's sedan sales dropped 10% last year and introducing a new model priced out like a well-equipped Audi S4 does nothing to help me consider the TLX.

Also, a tricked out TL SH-AWD with EVERYTHING I could add on the configuration page was 51K. Where's the additional 6K of value coming from?

mylove4cars

Who is on crack?; you already past that point, if not, you're rational left you......

BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Ford, Cadillac, and many more go this road, a TLX with this as a third car option (Meaning 3 cars - 4 Cyl - V6 - V6 Twin Turbo) would be insane.

Leaving the on crack and oil sheikh comment, what about Subaru, Mitsubishi and the likes are they insane as well?

So Acura would be insane in case an TLX TT for 57.000 would be an option, and all other brands are sane.

BEAR-AvHistory

Question is why would anyone pay $57K for a TLX twin turbo? Average TL selling price is $36,657. While the AWD pulls up the average a bit the typical Acura buyer looks to be a price shopper, or bang for the buck.

The average 3 series sold for $7K more & the average C class sold for $3K more. A Mitsu will top out about $46K MSRP $11K short of your $57K TLX. So what is the compelling reason to buy the TLX for that much money.

BTW I just ordered a fully optioned 435M-Sport for a few thousand less than the $57K TLX you proposed.