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Apparently they still got a niche market. No manufacurure would be producing if no one buys their products. But I am not trying to defend Honda if they are not responding to consumer complaints promptly, I just think that from where they stand, TLX is not as big a disaster as it's perceived here. Otherwise they would've discontinued or re-designed it back in 2016 or 2017. Yet here we are. 2018, and the sales number shows they still sell.
Apparently they still got a niche market. No manufacurure would be producing if no one buys their products. But I am not trying to defend Honda if they are not responding to consumer complaints promptly, I just think that from where they stand, TLX is not as big a disaster as it's perceived here. Otherwise they would've discontinued or re-designed it back in 2016 or 2017. Yet here we are. 2018, and the sales number shows they still sell.
Agree they can still see them because it basically a nice car. That said when anything is stated its always as compared to what. They still sell the TLX at an annual rate of about 40K units a year. The as compared to what is when they used to sell TL's at an annual rate of 70K+
Apparently they still got a niche market. No manufacurure would be producing if no one buys their products. But I am not trying to defend Honda if they are not responding to consumer complaints promptly, I just think that from where they stand, RLX is not as big a disaster as it's perceived here. Otherwise they would've discontinued or re-designed it back in 2016 or 2017. Yet here we are. 2018, and the sales number shows they still sell.
^ That can be said about the RLX too. They're still producing it, it still sells, it hasn't been discontinued, it wasn't re-designed back in 2016 or 2017, so it must not be a disaster.
I don't think anyone is saying the TLX is a disaster (at least I'm not), but the thing is the TLX hasn't met Acura's sales goals or expectations. The same goes for the ILX.
Acura's slow to change. They do what they want to do. The TLX isn't their bread and butter volume seller anymore. That's why they didn't redesign the TLX earlier. If the TLX was important to them, they would've put out a better more competitive product or refreshed it sooner like when Honda rushed out with a redesigned Civic in late 2012 because Consumer Reports didn't give it a "Recommended" rating.
Does anyone have the actual sales by model for the month of October? It usually gets posted and I was looking forward to seeing the latest. Thanks in advance.
Does anyone have the actual sales by model for the month of October? It usually gets posted and I was looking forward to seeing the latest. Thanks in advance.
Did I read the chart correctly? With two months to go, sales of TLX actually increased from last year?having read so much negative review here, I am surprielsed.
I still love my TLX and I know it's not perfect.. I really do wish Acura/Honda would step up their game to meet the "performance" image they want to portray. But articles like this will definitely help sales...
Did I read the chart correctly? With two months to go, sales of TLX actually increased from last year?having read so much negative review here, I am surprielsed.
If you look - it's pretty much just a few people making the same negative comments over and over. In a low traffic forum like this they tend to stand out more.
Did I read the chart correctly? With two months to go, sales of TLX actually increased from last year?having read so much negative review here, I am surprielsed.
Historically, Acura's sales in Canada is very consistent for the past couple of years. Acura sells about 20,000 units. I would say very close to Lexus (around 22-22K/year). And almost 40% more than Infiniti (YTD sales: 10.5K.)
Acura's sales are 16.5K YTD, with Nov and Dec the sales will reach 20K.
If you look - it's pretty much just a few people making the same negative comments over and over. In a low traffic forum like this they tend to stand out more.
Low traffic forum? AZ is one of the busiest car forums on the net, with a bunch of new members joining daily
Historically, Acura's sales in Canada is very consistent for the past couple of years. Acura sells about 20,000 units. I would say very close to Lexus (around 22-22K/year). And almost 40% more than Infiniti (YTD sales: 10.5K.)
Acura's sales are 16.5K YTD, with Nov and Dec the sales will reach 20K.
I'm interested to see where you pulled these numbers from. Lexus outsells Acura by huge volumes. Infiniti hasn't been chasing Acura for awhile. They're battling more and more, every year. Unless you can post YTD data for the above mentioned brands, I call BS.
I'm interested to see where you pulled these numbers from. Lexus outsells Acura by huge volumes. Infiniti hasn't been chasing Acura for awhile. They're battling more and more, every year. Unless you can post YTD data for the above mentioned brands, I call BS.
I believe you have hard time reading brother. I was clear about saying "CANADA!
Infiniti YTD sales: 10,620 on average they sell 1,000 units/month.
Lexus: 21,299 (Which is an amazing year for them. In 2014, 15 & 16 Lexus sold 17K, 22K, 22.5K respectively in Canada, which is very close to Acura sales numbers.
Why are you solely looking at Canada, and not the entire world when it comes to YTD sales? Canada is such a small segment of the pie. So what you're doing is cherry picking the information that best suits your argument, as opposed to looking at the whole picture.
That's like saying "well, there's world peace in Switzerland. That means the rest of the world is the exactly the same!"
Why are you solely looking at Canada, and not the entire world when it comes to YTD sales? Canada is such a small segment of the pie. So what you're doing is cherry picking the information that best suits your argument, as opposed to looking at the whole picture.
That's like saying "well, there's world peace in Switzerland. That means the rest of the world is the exactly the same!"
You are not thinking brother....why would I cherry pick? Go back to the initial message and find out why did I only pick Canada? If you have a hard time doing that, let me do it for you step by step:
1. Post#167 by Speedy_Racer (Canada sales number)
2. Post#170 by txl2017 (surprised to see Acura TLX sales increasing)
3. Post#173 by Saintor (mentions 46.8% increase in Canadian sales)
4. Post#174: I wrote that historically in Canada Acura sales are higher than Infiniti and Lexus is very close.
I was replying to those 2 posts. If this answer doesn't make you happy....then have a fantastic day. I don't have time to argue. Merci - bonne journee!
Why are you solely looking at Canada, and not the entire world when it comes to YTD sales? Canada is such a small segment of the pie. So what you're doing is cherry picking the information that best suits your argument, as opposed to looking at the whole picture.
That's like saying "well, there's world peace in Switzerland. That means the rest of the world is the exactly the same!"
Why's there so much hate on this forum? The OP said "Historically in Canada." He's from Canada according to his info, so he's just giving an example of how sales are in his country. It's like how us Americans focus on US sales. It's hard to look worldwide because different countries have different needs and wants in a car... wasn't there a TLX-L debuted in China?
Why's there so much hate on this forum? The OP said "Historically in Canada." He's from Canada according to his info, so he's just giving an example of how sales are in his country. It's like how us Americans focus on US sales. It's hard to look worldwide because different countries have different needs and wants in a car... Isn't there a TLX-L that's going to debut in China?
Thank you for reading "CANADA". Also, I was trying to answer the previous two posts.
Percentage stats without the raw numbers are the things of marketing departments wet dreams.
Company sells 1 car in October '16 then sells 2 in October '17 for a 100% increase in sales.
Which is why % have little meaning with a framework to support them. In fact a car company going from I car to 2 cars could claim to have the fastest growth rate in all of Canada.
If you want to play the happy news backwards the NSX in Canada must be ready to abandonment with an astounding 87% loss in sales October to October. Or September 17 to October 17 TLX sales are down 9% in Canada.
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Percentage stats without the raw numbers are the things of marketing departments wet dreams.
Company sells 1 car in October '16 then sells 2 in October '17 for a 100% increase in sales.
Which is why % have little meaning with a framework to support them. In fact a car company going from I car to 2 cars could claim to have the fastest growth rate in all of Canada.
If you want to play the happy news backwards the NSX in Canada must be ready to abandonment with an astounding 87% loss in sales October to October. Or September 17 to October 17 TLX sales are down 9% in Canada.
100% agreed with you.
But in this case, it make sense. TLX is in the market for the past 3 years. MoM and/or YoY comparison with %s makes sense to me. Overall, YTD, TLX has only 1% increase which is nothing significant. We have to read and understand sales number and %s before making a statement. So your point is very valid.
I'd imagine the aim of Acura Canada at this moment is to beat the 2016 overall sales. Two of my local dealers have been more aggressive in advertising. One salesperson even left me 2 voice mails last week. If you want to buy a new Acura now, it's a good time to do so now.
I'd imagine the aim of Acura Canada at this moment is to beat the 2016 overall sales. Two of my local dealers have been more aggressive in advertising. One salesperson even left me 2 voice mails last week. If you want to buy a new Acura now, it's a good time to do so now.
I have no idea. I didn't call back the salesperson to ask as even if I were in the market for a new car, it would be a CUV, wagon, or minivan. Wife does not want a sedan...
I have no idea. I didn't call back the salesperson to ask as even if I were in the market for a new car, it would be a CUV, wagon, or minivan. Wife does not want a sedan...
At least call back and give us the info, post it here so we know the deep discounts
Did I read the chart correctly? With two months to go, sales of TLX actually increased from last year?having read so much negative review here, I am surprielsed.
If the negative reviews on this forum have some correlation with the sales, I can't imagine what the ILX forum would be like!
Edit: Just checked the US chart, it seems sales for almost all Acura models are down across the board. TLX is actually not doing all that bad comparing with other Acura models. Certainly nothing to brag about, but just put things in perspective - again in light of the negative comments we see here...
Did I read the chart correctly? With two months to go, sales of TLX actually increased from last year?having read so much negative review here, I am surprielsed.
Not so much of an interpretation than a speculation, which is to speculate that the negative reviews seen here are representative in the general population.
Negative reviews will always stand out and stick longer than postive reviews. The same 10 or so posters that don't like the TLX are still coming around to keep posting...while the new and most likely happy TLX owners made their purchase and don't feel the need to come and post again.
Its understandable, if you are happy and love the car maybe you will post about it once and then keep living your happy life. While the negative reviewers feel
the need to come and repeat the same points over and over again. I can see it from both sides.
Regarding the sales, I think they will continue to increase due to end of year incentives, availability of CPO cars, and lastly because the car does look much better in person.
I have always said that in pictures the car simply doesn't look all that attractive. I wasn't impressed at all, but after seeing it in person, on the streets and seeing it driving on the opposite way towards me, the car does indeed have a wow effect. It certainly has presence and a nice aggressive yet subtle look.
Its a headturner and that definitely sparks interest in buyers. Im not saying people see it in the street and go buy one right away, but it does make people do the research and Acura still has (like it or not) good reliability and a great value for the price.
I think this is why the sales are slowly increasing but only after a very cold debut.
Interestingly enough - if you look at reviews on the TLX subforum from people who have actually purchased the car you won't find many negative reviews other than for the 2015 V6 model.
Interestingly enough - if you look at reviews on the TLX subforum from people who have actually purchased the car you won't find many negative reviews other than for the 2015 V6 model.
Who buys an expensive car that they don't think they will love?
Who buys an expensive car that they don't think they will love?
Of course - however I've seen honest reviews from people who post what they like and don't like over time - Neuronbob's last one is a good example of the good/bad about the car.
The point being - many people are simply bashing Acura for no longer being a brand who caters to the enthusiast as they once did vs people who actually bought and own the current car and offer their honest opinions of what it's like.
Interestingly enough - if you look at reviews on the TLX subforum from people who have actually purchased the car you won't find many negative reviews other than for the 2015 V6 model.
Not too sure about that, still many complaints about vibrations. Let's not forget many members left because of the TLX problems. Unlike GM, we we're not expecting that many problems from a year one Acura. Now we know to wait just like all other companies.
11-03-2017, 05:11 PM
AZine is so busy we even have non-Honda/Acura owners asking for help with their Nissan, Dodge, Pontiac, GMC, etc.
