JS+BRZ's brutally honest review of TLX
09-26-2014, 09:50 AM
#82
Banned
Yes yes yes we know the 3G was a great car but move on already. Compared to a 2007, the nav. interface is ancient, touchscreen interface, bluetooth, USB, LKAS, BSM, ACC, P-AWS, SH-AWD, FCW, LDW, CMBS, AHA, IDS, Jewel Eye headlights, acoustic foam, DI engines making more power with better MPG, all the use of high-strength steel (and hot-stamping), next gen. ACE body structure, I could go on.......
09-26-2014, 10:03 AM
#83
Instructor
What do you think the SH-AWD will give us that the v6 doesn't? I ask that question because in the 4G, the difference in my opinion is you jump up from a 3.5L to a 3.7L engine. In the case of the TLX, the power of the SH-AWD is the same as the FWD with PAWS. So, really cornering is the only difference I see. Normal driving is not going to show any true difference between the two. I'm anxious to see what the reviews will be on the SH-AWD.
Couple points. Despite the larger engine the FWD TL was faster in a straight line than the SH-AWD version. I've driven both twice as service loaners. SH-AWD added weight and extra drivetrain losses so more power didn't necessairly make it faster in the 4G, it was faster in corners because of the SH-AWD, not the engine.
FWD - in two 5 min. mall laps, from dry dead stops not quite full throttle I could spin the stock junk rubber. In the wet probably 1/2-2/3 throttle would spin. Felt like any other FWD with too much power up front which breaks traction, causing understeer and overwhelming the handling. Watching hot laps confirmed the same.
SH-AWD - no such problem, on takeoff ~30-40% power transfer to the rear, felt surefooted and composed. Track hot lap ride exhibited much less understeer, power down and go. In the wet I'm sure it'll be that much better. Yes, all aspects above apply to street driving too. So I signed for one w/ that little amount of experience.
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09-26-2014, 10:05 AM
#84
09-26-2014, 10:09 AM
#85
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What I don't get is why disagreeing on a car can get someone so...worked up.
Stew4HD: Firstly, if you need to resort to that sort of PMing someone, seriously...lighten up. Everyone in here is entitled and allowed an opinion and just because someone (i.e. ttribe) does not share your opinion does not warrant the type of message you sent him...it's a freaking car. If you LOVE the TLX or whatever, great. It's passionate fans that the car brand IMO desperately needs when many critics (me included) feel that Honda/Acura are getting farther and farther away from the motoring enthusiasts' segment and into "good enough". In the end though, the thoughts and views of the "haters" are just opinions. It's not law...it's not something you need to get this angry over. So, consider this a fair warning and let's hope you don't resort to that again. Deal with any debate/discussion like a gentleman. Does not need to get personal.
Stew4HD: Firstly, if you need to resort to that sort of PMing someone, seriously...lighten up. Everyone in here is entitled and allowed an opinion and just because someone (i.e. ttribe) does not share your opinion does not warrant the type of message you sent him...it's a freaking car. If you LOVE the TLX or whatever, great. It's passionate fans that the car brand IMO desperately needs when many critics (me included) feel that Honda/Acura are getting farther and farther away from the motoring enthusiasts' segment and into "good enough". In the end though, the thoughts and views of the "haters" are just opinions. It's not law...it's not something you need to get this angry over. So, consider this a fair warning and let's hope you don't resort to that again. Deal with any debate/discussion like a gentleman. Does not need to get personal.
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09-26-2014, 10:18 AM
#86
Safety, tech, powertrain, and there's the intangible improvements in NHV (which are massive). Point proven? You come across as a bitter clinger with that attitude. Put a 3G TL against the cars TLX will compete with in a professional review and it will show its age faster than you can say "new things suck".
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09-26-2014, 10:24 AM
#87
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Safety, tech, powertrain, and there's the intangible improvements in NHV (which are massive). Point proven? You come across as a bitter clinger with that attitude. Put a 3G TL against the cars TLX will compete with in a professional review and it will show its age faster than you can say "new things suck".
09-26-2014, 10:26 AM
#88
Yes, I don't mind a 1/2 - 1 sec. loss in acceleration for the overall gain below. The SH-AWD weight differential is now only 150 lbs. and a better system, hydraulically activated vs. electronic.
FWD - in two 5 min. mall laps, from dry dead stops not quite full throttle I could spin the stock junk rubber. In the wet probably 1/2-2/3 throttle would spin. Felt like any other FWD with too much power up front which breaks traction, causing understeer and overwhelming the handling. Watching hot laps confirmed the same.
SH-AWD - no such problem, on takeoff ~30-40% power transfer to the rear, felt surefooted and composed. Track hot lap ride exhibited much less understeer, power down and go. In the wet I'm sure it'll be that much better. Yes, all aspects above apply to street driving too. So I signed for one w/ that little amount of experience.
FWD - in two 5 min. mall laps, from dry dead stops not quite full throttle I could spin the stock junk rubber. In the wet probably 1/2-2/3 throttle would spin. Felt like any other FWD with too much power up front which breaks traction, causing understeer and overwhelming the handling. Watching hot laps confirmed the same.
SH-AWD - no such problem, on takeoff ~30-40% power transfer to the rear, felt surefooted and composed. Track hot lap ride exhibited much less understeer, power down and go. In the wet I'm sure it'll be that much better. Yes, all aspects above apply to street driving too. So I signed for one w/ that little amount of experience.
09-26-2014, 10:41 AM
#89
Three Wheelin'
First of all, I happen to like "Stew". I've been on the forums with him for a long time and have met him in person, and I get his sense of humor. Buts let's go with your opinion that he is a ______ idiot. How is stooping to that level working out for you?
09-26-2014, 10:41 AM
#90
Value.
this is what we are arguing here.
Some find the TLX an absolute value, while others dont see the value in the car.
My at current price point, I dont see much value in the car, when other manufactures are doing bigger and bigger things than Acura.
this is what we are arguing here.
Some find the TLX an absolute value, while others dont see the value in the car.
My
at current price point, I dont see much value in the car, when other manufactures are doing bigger and bigger things than Acura.
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09-26-2014, 10:44 AM
#91
Hot Ass!
I, for one, don't want all that gadgetry that new cars have these days; all that leads to is distracted drivers (which I loathe). Give me a V6 coupe with a decent stereo and A/C, and I'm happy! 
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09-26-2014, 10:54 AM
#92
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From my standpoint, nothing comes close to the value of the TLX. But then, I realize that may be because of certain things that I require in a car that others may not care about (such as ventilated seats, top tier sound system and minimum performance in the 14 second/100 mph trap speed range.
I look at cars as you would a tool. There is a right tool for the job. For instance, handling may not be of the highest priority if commuting in rush our traffic is the primary use of a car. But if your commute involves the Tail of the Dragon (which I have been on a number of times) a really good handling car would be the right tool for the job.
Your thoughts?
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09-26-2014, 11:17 AM
#93
Three Wheelin'
I spent over a year researching my next car and concluded that you need to establish a priority list of your needs and wants, e.g. in no particular order
- size and capacity
- handling
- gas mileage
- reliability and cost of service
- dealership convenience
- style and appearance
- tech features
and then decide how much you are willing to pay. This path led me to the TLX V6 P-AWS Elite, and eliminated the SH-AWD.
- size and capacity
- handling
- gas mileage
- reliability and cost of service
- dealership convenience
- style and appearance
- tech features
and then decide how much you are willing to pay. This path led me to the TLX V6 P-AWS Elite, and eliminated the SH-AWD.
09-26-2014, 11:20 AM
#94
Banned
To be completely frank, I have a hard time seeing how the TLX outshines the Accord. I outfitted one as close as I could for $5k less, and IMB(rutal)O, the Accord is far better looking. There are a couple of things you can't get on the Accord, and there is intangible and tangible things that might make the TLX worth the extra money, but I have trouble seeing it.
If the TLX is for you, that's fine. Just don't get upset when longtime fans of Honda and Acura in particular wonder what the hell is going on.
If the TLX is for you, that's fine. Just don't get upset when longtime fans of Honda and Acura in particular wonder what the hell is going on.
09-26-2014, 11:24 AM
#95
To be completely frank, I have a hard time seeing how the TLX outshines the Accord. I outfitted one as close as I could for $5k less, and IMB(rutal)O, the Accord is far better looking. There are a couple of things you can't get on the Accord, and there is intangible and tangible things that might make the TLX worth the extra money, but I have trouble seeing it.
If the TLX is for you, that's fine. Just don't get upset when longtime fans of Honda and Acura in particular wonder what the hell is going on.
If the TLX is for you, that's fine. Just don't get upset when longtime fans of Honda and Acura in particular wonder what the hell is going on.
Troll bait is still troll bait.
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09-26-2014, 11:26 AM
#96
Also its funny that a user can be called an idiot and generally personally bagged on then when he tries to privately tell someone to fuck off he's the one in the wrong.
Troll bait...
Troll bait...
09-26-2014, 11:26 AM
#97
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Did hell freeze over? First sensible thing I've seen you post.
I'm curious as to what you (and others) are basing that opinion on. I know an enormous amount about cars and I am trying to decide what to buy in six months when my current lease is up. Because I'll be buying and not leasing, I'm looking a lot harder at value because all the money will be coming out of my pocket as there is no equity from my lease.
From my standpoint, nothing comes close to the value of the TLX. But then, I realize that may be because of certain things that I require in a car that others may not care about (such as ventilated seats, top tier sound system and minimum performance in the 14 second/100 mph trap speed range.
I look at cars as you would a tool. There is a right tool for the job. For instance, handling may not be of the highest priority if commuting in rush our traffic is the primary use of a car. But if your commute involves the Tail of the Dragon (which I have been on a number of times) a really good handling car would be the right tool for the job.
Your thoughts?
From my standpoint, nothing comes close to the value of the TLX. But then, I realize that may be because of certain things that I require in a car that others may not care about (such as ventilated seats, top tier sound system and minimum performance in the 14 second/100 mph trap speed range.
I look at cars as you would a tool. There is a right tool for the job. For instance, handling may not be of the highest priority if commuting in rush our traffic is the primary use of a car. But if your commute involves the Tail of the Dragon (which I have been on a number of times) a really good handling car would be the right tool for the job.
Your thoughts?
Didn't Jeremy Clarkson once exclaim you are what you drive..
09-26-2014, 11:27 AM
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09-26-2014, 11:36 AM
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09-26-2014, 11:38 AM
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I spent over a year researching my next car and concluded that you need to establish a priority list of your needs and wants, e.g. in no particular order
- size and capacity
- handling
- gas mileage
- reliability and cost of service
- dealership convenience
- style and appearance
- tech features
and then decide how much you are willing to pay. This path led me to the TLX V6 P-AWS Elite, and eliminated the SH-AWD.
- size and capacity
- handling
- gas mileage
- reliability and cost of service
- dealership convenience
- style and appearance
- tech features
and then decide how much you are willing to pay. This path led me to the TLX V6 P-AWS Elite, and eliminated the SH-AWD.
They actually call it that..
I'd love it if you wrote several paragraphs on how you came to the conclusion that the TLX outshines the competition in all the bullets you posted. Especially reliability and cost of service since it hasn't been in the market long enough to benchmark.
Dealership convenience.. you mean Acura is closer to you than Toyota?
09-26-2014, 11:39 AM
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09-26-2014, 11:41 AM
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09-26-2014, 11:48 AM
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From my standpoint, nothing comes close to the value of the TLX. But then, I realize that may be because of certain things that I require in a car that others may not care about (such as ventilated seats, top tier sound system and minimum performance in the 14 second/100 mph trap speed range.
Your thoughts?
Your thoughts?
Look at Dodge.
I'm sure the mere mention will make you thumb your nose, but you might find yourself surprised at how much tech and luxury they are putting into their cars for the money. And the performance is there. reliable? I have 3 mopars, never had any major issues. There are other owners over in car talk, who have them as well, and I think they have all been having good owner experiences.
Want another? Look at Kia
My wife and I really like driving my in-law's base model optima...its a real funny and sporty feeling car.
The "reliable" gap amongst brands is closing. I no longer hold acura, honda, toyota as being any more reliable or trouble free than other brands these days.
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09-26-2014, 11:50 AM
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Get a new song.
09-26-2014, 11:51 AM
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RDX = chick Magnet
09-26-2014, 11:52 AM
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TLX 2.4L vs Accord EX-L?
But judging from some retarded responses in this thread, I'm afraid doing my brutally honest comparo between Accord and TLX will get some of the trolls overly enraged and try to hurt themselves in front of their computers.
09-26-2014, 12:01 PM
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09-26-2014, 12:03 PM
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Some dude
People who defend the beak are the same kind of people that find Kim Kardashian attractive and no amount of cosmetic enhancement is going to make either of the two look good... also, Stew4HD sounds like a complete tool.
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09-26-2014, 12:08 PM
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You honestly telling me wouldn't?
09-26-2014, 12:09 PM
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09-26-2014, 12:12 PM
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Well you ain't Asian, you wouldn't understand.
09-26-2014, 12:16 PM
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09-26-2014, 12:17 PM
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WOW... WOW. This quote works for this ENTIRE thread. We are tired of hearing these bias acura has made nothing good since the 3G and I hate the beak because my daddy touched me with one when I was little.
Take your own advice for once. No one cares about your reviews or opinions, they are simply getting tired.
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09-26-2014, 12:20 PM
#119
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That's actually a good idea.
TLX 2.4L vs Accord EX-L?
But judging from some retarded responses in this thread, I'm afraid doing my brutally honest comparo between Accord and TLX will get some of the trolls overly enraged and try to hurt themselves in front of their computers.
TLX 2.4L vs Accord EX-L?
But judging from some retarded responses in this thread, I'm afraid doing my brutally honest comparo between Accord and TLX will get some of the trolls overly enraged and try to hurt themselves in front of their computers.
09-26-2014, 12:20 PM
#120
That's absurd for no reason. Seriously, a 22 degree bend with an OE tip attached, why can't it be done? It might look good and solve the exhaust "issue" that's somehow significant enough to affect the car's spot in the marketplace according to some.