Curious3GTL

They really need to redesign the TLX for the 2019 Model year. Until the TLX the tradition had always been when they release a new Accord a new TL would come the next year. It would be dumb to have the 2019 TLX without features that are on the 2019 Accord. I doubt that will happen, but it's what should happen.

fiatlux

More than a new TLX, they need a new RDX, which they sell way more of. The current one is dated and the new CRV is good enough to eat into its sales.

Saintor

That is so 2015. That is no longer true. The ZF9 2016+ is doing a very good job. Whiners will whine I guess.

kurtatx

Thank goodness Honda should be able to swap out that ZF9 when they put the 2.0T on the TLX.

TacoBello

I'l be honest... I'm a be wary of Honda's new 10 speed. If in 2 years, no issues are noted, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. But until then...

svtmike

Doing a very good job... for apologists who are willing to run around in Sport+ mode all the time.

Saintor

I would certainly prefer to 'default' the Sport+ mode but it is not available. Switching it once is no worse than handling a manual shifter zillions of time.

BTW, it is not the transmission's fault... it is the *throttle mapping*. Transmission is just fine, can't fault mine.

financedude

Honda tends to make baffling transmission decisions, almost like their engineers don't understand people around the world actually tow stuff. The redesign of the Odyssey in 2005 is a good example. Up until they stretched it out, the Odyssey was on the Accord chassis. So they put a car transmission into a 4700 pound vehicle. Can you say problems? I know I had a 2006 for 11 years, and barely dodged a rebuild. Then in 2007, they decide: "Hey, we make a truck called the Ridgeline, maybe that transmission would be better for the Odyssey? And it WAS!!!

financedude

I was VERY disappointed in the RDX when I drove it. Seemed outdated, rough ride, etc. I know they have loyal buyers, but wow did it feel cramped and outdated. IMO, the MDX is twice the car of the RDX. Puzzling, since the Pilot is not twice the car of the CR-V, IMO?????

hadokenuh

Agree. I don't understand why the RDX is a big seller either. It has nothing special at all. On the other hand like you said, the MDX is a lot nicer than the RDX and the rest of Hondas. And they are getting the same gas mileage too!

fiatlux

My wife would balk at driving something the size of the MDX, so that might give you some insights as to why some people will choose the RDX.

Also, a surprising amount of drivers never test drive anything else and just get the first car they sit in. They compare it to their previous car, which of course makes the new car seem amazing. Otherwise, how else can you explain why there are so many Nissan Rogues out there .

My FIL bought an Accord without having driven anything else, simply because it was better than his old car. Granted, not a bad choice, but the vast majority of people who buy Hondas/Acuras are not car people, and to them doing all this research and test drives is a burden.

financedude

So, the RDX is a "poor man's" Lexus, Audi, Infiniti, etc?

I can't argue with that logic. I have ridden in a couple Rogues, NOT impressed. There must be a lot of garbage cars new Rogue owners are coming from........lol...........

With Honda, I agree. With Acura, not so much. I have been a "car person" for many years. Kind of a sickness, really..... However, after spending 7 years in the car business before moving on, I guess I don't ooh and aah as much as some people might. And I am one of a dying breed who LIKES driving a sedan. I can afford a BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc, but choose not to drive them. Owners of those brands LIE all the time about how little it costs to keep them running, sorry not buying it. DO they have more goodies and nicer interiors and are they for the most part quieter than brands like Honda or even Acura? Yes, but that's not worth an extra $15,000 - $20,000 to me. I am trying an Hyundai Azera after two Accords that were quite trouble free. I am intrigued by the Genesis and if Hyundai can get capture sales from Mercedes and BMW and Lexus. Time will tell. We drove the Pilot, Highlander, RX350, and MDX, and settled on the MDX. For my wife, the MDX was more luxurious than any car she has owned, and without a 3rd row the RX350 was relegated to 2nd place. If I wanted to get some high powered look at me car it would be a 67 Chevelle SS or Pontiac GTO...

justnspace

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I would argue that cars are the 2nd most expensive thing we own, why wouldnt one take time to research and test drive all available cars that meet that individuals needs and wants?

financedude

Because, in general, people are somewhat lazy and don't like change, the manufacturers just lump all that stuff in and call it "Brand Loyalty"...........

fiatlux

Because to 99% of the population, a car is just an appliance (or a status symbol), and as long as it's "good enough" it's fine.

kurtatx

I believe that is a severe overestimate.

A lot of people put a lot of value in their vehicle even if they aren't "car people".

justnspace

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Sheeesh! last time I said "good enough" I ended up with pants that were 2 sizes too big!
and that was only a $30 purchase! holy chit at people making $30k mistakes

financedude

I agree, but people are also creatures of habit, if XYZ car performed well, and it's still around, why not buy XYZ car again?

kurtatx

After Christmas, they'll be the right size pants, then!

CheeseyPoofs McNut

The RDX is long in the tooth and due for the upcoming refresh for sure. The next gen RDX will be very telling with regards to the direction of the next gen TLX too.

txl2017

Do you all agree that turbo is the only way to go for all cars, sooner or later?

fiatlux

No, because electric motors don't need air .

justnspace

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that's a loaded question.
WE already know Honda has invested in turbo technology. We already know that it can provide as much torque as a naturally aspirated v6 engine.

What I think is the future is power + fuel economy. is that electric cars? is that turbo technology? we dont know the future.
but lets get back to that loaded question...lol why did you pose it as such?

txl2017

Just trying to get a sense about whether there's a general agreement on whether turbo is the direction where the non-electric cars are taking. Based on what I heard here, Honda agrees already although it's slow in taking actions. Turbo obviously is an "old new technology", but is it an industry trend that all non-electric cars have to go for turbo?

fiatlux

With stricter and stricter fuel economy requirements, the only two realistic options are small-displacement turbos or hybrids.

justnspace

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no, Mazda just invented a new (or I think rebrought up old technology) that allows to forgo the "turbo"
Nissan is also at the forefront of engine technology and recently produced an interesting engine (that uses turbos) but nonetheless, New technology is always being invented and implemented to achieve fuel economy and power.

as of right now, yes every one has their hand in (new-old) turbo tech

interesting enough, Volvo has found a way to prevent turbo lag, by having a tank full of compressed air, ready to feed the turbo when needed.

Saintor

Only?

Certainly not,

Case in evidence; Chevrolet Corvette. No stupid AWD or DCT gammick. 460HP from a marvelous NA 6.2L 0-60mph in 3.7. Supercharger will get you +200HP more and 0-60 in 3.0s for only $80K. Take that, Porsche.

kurtatx

Next gen Corvette said to have a DCT. All the big manufacturers have moved to DCT. It's not a gimmick, it's a reality.

Saintor

Wrong. Audi did put a regular ZF8 automatic in their 2018 S4 (B9) and the previous one (B8.X) had a S-tronic. You should know that.

BEAR-AvHistory

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Case in evidence; Chevrolet Corvette. No stupid AWD or DCT gammick. 460HP from a marvelous NA 6.2L 0-60mph in 3.7. Supercharger will get you +200HP more and 0-60 in 3.0s for only $80K. Take that, Porsche.

Porsche 700HP from 3.8 liters with turbo 7DCT. Corvette 660HP from supercharged 6.2 Liters. All factory race version Corvettes use aftermarket 7DCT - GM Filed Patent for 7DCT (trans for new Mid Engine 2019?) Both brands use forced induction for maximum horsepower engines.

HP per liter 184 vs 106.

Porsche current Nurburgring record holder 9/20/17 @ 6:47:25 Prior record holder Lamborghini LP-640-4 10/5/16 @ 6:52:01. Corvette 4/24/17 @ 7:13.90 # 12 on the list behind 4 Porsche's, 2 Lamborghini's, 2 Dodge Vipers, 1 Nissan, 1 Mercedes & 1 Apolllo (Audi engine).

StingRay is the best bang for the buck car but to keep up they are joining FORD & going mid-engine for their top offering. The last hurrah for the 6.2 is the 755HP 2019 ZR1.

Leaked cad of the mid-engine car shows a number of engine options. The LT7 V8 is interesting.

Saintor

You obviously left out some crucial parts.

As turbochargers being the 'only' way to go when there are superchargers out there. I care as much in HP/L as your little aircrafts. i.e. none.

BTW, that 911GT2 RS is RWD.

kurtatx

You go tell Sergio Marchionne that his company's DCT is a gimmick.

BEAR-AvHistory

Playing with words as usual. For cars like the TLX & other normal retail priced cars turbos are the only way to go. A supercharger is too expensive to put on them. I can get a replacement turbo for my BMW's for $900. A supercharger for my COBRA would run $3K to $6K. Future 700HP project.

The Porsche GT2 RS is RWD just like my COBRA & both my BMW's, Love RWD where its the best fit for me. For my daughters Carrera the AWD was the best solution as she was just stepping up to a 0-60 3.2 second 11.5 @ 121MPH 188MPH car. Easier to drive then the same model with RWD, but I would expect that you being safe in your magazines would imagine yourself driving the RWD version.

That does not mean that AWD is not a good solution, The Lamborghini LP650-4 is a very capable AWD car. Interesting that they chose different driving wheel setups but both choose 7DCT trans axles, best tool for the job.

Interesting thought we are looking at a RWD 718 BOXSTER S (2.5T) 7DCT tomorrow morning. Its a bit slower 0-60 3.5 seconds 11.9 @ 117MPH 177MPH then the Carrera but its still quicker & faster then a 2017 (6.1 liter) StingRay Grand Sport . This one just cracks me up over your 2.5T toy comments & how blind some people can be in seeing which way the N/A engine is going. The 2.5 Turbo Toy gives up the equivalent of a full TLX V6 & still aces the big bad StingRay Grand Sport. Glad to see you made your point with the, what is you call it, oh yeah "The Marvelous 6.2L"

BTW: The AWD A-Spec according to C&D is a better car then your FWD for sport driving. In fact the way they rcurrently rate the TLX Old best favorite I4, New best favorite V6 SHAWD, sort of leaves your FWD V6 as the runt of the litter. Why not dump it & get a marvelous 6.2 RWD Vette?

Maybe I can line you up with my old '67 StingRay Coupe. My brother in law told me is running around with a 9 liter Chevy crate engine in it now. Still RWD MT MB MS no nannies.

TacoBello

I'll be honest, I could see the next RDX NOT go turbo. It seems a lot of people were very very happy with the V6 option. In terms of power, the RDX has as much as it needs. I don't overly see the need for them to put out a higher horsepower sport model. I mean, I wouldn't say no if they wanted to build it, but I just can't see them doing it. Maybe a Sport Hybrid model- that would be cool- but no need for a V6T.

That would also continue to differentiate the RDX from the CRV... V6 vs turbo four. If the RDX does come turbo'd, I'm sure it will use a version of the 2.0T, and leave the 1.5T for the CRV.

TacoBello

seriously guys- you need to start your own thread in ramblings and go bicker over there. The number of threads both of you completely derail with these side arguments is getting annoying. I have no fucking clue what the corvette, audi, Porsche, or rwd has anything to do in a thread about Acura and the ILX. Sometimes you just have to take a deep breath and actively choose *not* to hit the reply button. By the end of the day, it's the internet. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. People will still have their own opinions, based on fact or not.

kurtatx

I'm not sure why a discussion of turbos as a general trend within the ILX thread warrants an idiotic claim that "DCTs are a gimmick"

justnspace

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I fucking love the sound of my voice! or the clacking of my keyboard!
and so do you!
so does Bear or anyone who wants to be heard!
the internet has given us a voice!

I think it's pretty narrow minded to only talk about a certain subject, when the subject ISNT even true.
Acura hasnt said the ILX is discontinued.
why should we talk about speculation?
plus, REAL life conversation isn't confined to a certain subject...it would suck if my boss wasnt human and didnt sneak in what he did over the weekend, while giving direction for the work week

TacoBello

if you don't like speculating, feel free to leave. no one asked you to tell us you don't like speculation. we've heard it 136 times from you already. Don't like it? Be a mod and create a speculation section. It'll help you sleep at night.

you've clearly never entered a thread with Bear and Saintor. They'll talk about literally everything except the original topic, one-upping each other at any opportunity that exists. It's fine to throw in random comments. It's not fine to go on a 40 post detour, arguing about stuff where one party is simply here to troll the other, anyway. What boggles my mind is the other party, time and again, chooses to fall for the trap each and every time.

Saintor

Why in the hell would Audi put a regular automatic in their best A4 - namely the S4 - and why did Honda choose NOT to use their DCT 8-sp. in the 2018 Accord. I'm not sure why we should expect you to understand that DCTs are indeed a gimmick.

Saintor

BS. You are old enough to know about the Chevy Cobalt SS Supercharged 12 years ago or the T-Bird SC of late '80s. More recently, VW even had a supercharged-turbocharged engine in their Golf. "Only way to go for the cars like the TLX " what a joke - larger displacement will suffice especially if they run on regular. Lexus and Buick will prove you wrong (again) with their upcoming ES and Regal GS.

Just another way to confirm that you are afraid to be afraid. Fine. Be reassured; ESP will save them, not AWD., AWD is also a a gimmick.

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That does not mean that AWD is not a good solution, The Lamborghini LP650-4 is a very capable AWD car. Interesting that they chose different driving wheel setups but both choose 7DCT trans axles, best tool for the job.

Gimme the LP580-2 (different name now): "Review: 2016 Lamborghini Huracan LP 580-2 less power, more fun"
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ticle27951504/