If you didn't like the TLX before, this video will change your mind
02-28-2014, 07:12 PM
#42
I only argue with people that dont drive Acuras and Justin. No one elses opinions are fun enough to acknowledge.
02-28-2014, 07:13 PM
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02-28-2014, 08:19 PM
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Its okay he told the mods to close it anyway. Thread up for grabs if anyone wants it!!
02-28-2014, 10:02 PM
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Acura has been reliable and not troublesome. When my local dealer gets one I will check it out and test drive it. I will probably go for the V6 model at the very least, I have driven a couple of loaner TSX's and it felt anemic in power department.
But I won't buy first model year as most members have advised the potential 1st year problems/bugs.
Doesn't the proverb say "parted" 
03-01-2014, 08:51 AM
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I'm okay with any changes to the bumpers. The overall shape, lines, wheel options (hopefully not more than 7-10 multi-spoke wheels), cues from the 3G TL body, and if the interior is anything like the RLX or MDX I am happy with that too. Everyone's taste differs, I decided to forget the 4G TL and just go for a TLX in a year or two to buy one. I for some reason like conservative styling than really bold edgy looks of what the German brands are pushing out.
The TLX is a prefect compromise for me, the rear bumper from the spy shot photo won't prevent me from buying one. The Q50 is nice but I don't like the rear and the Lexus IS front end is just ugly in my opinion due to that grill. German brands are on my future list but not to own.
The TLX is a prefect compromise for me, the rear bumper from the spy shot photo won't prevent me from buying one. The Q50 is nice but I don't like the rear and the Lexus IS front end is just ugly in my opinion due to that grill. German brands are on my future list but not to own.
Unless Lexus' AWD system comes close to the SH-AWD, my next car will probably be the cheapest TLX with AWD.
It seems to really be one of the better AWD systems and maybe the P-AWS will make driving a 70/30 Front/Rear driver handle much better. In any case, we only have a Civic and Accord that are FWD.
I'm afraid it's too expensive for me to own/lease German cars.
03-01-2014, 12:23 PM
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you should have bought a Accord and saved some moneyMe? I wanted something fun/sporty to drive and would last ~20 years
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03-01-2014, 01:17 PM
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03-01-2014, 01:39 PM
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Its the same story everywhere. After the Integra everyone claimed Acura lost its way. Then after the 3rd gen tl everyone claimed it again.
My opinion, people just cant get out of the past. I loved my integra, but that doesnt mean Acura hasnt made good looking cars since.
I am simply speaking on justin calling the ILX and RLX bland. I compare his statement to the car he currently drives... the 3rd gen tl is great and gorgeous. But it in no way makes the RLX look bland. Say what you want about the ILX, its a entry level. But the RLX looks stunning in my opinion. Far more luxurious than the 3rd gen TL... not arguing sales numbers though.
My opinion, people just cant get out of the past. I loved my integra, but that doesnt mean Acura hasnt made good looking cars since.
I am simply speaking on justin calling the ILX and RLX bland. I compare his statement to the car he currently drives... the 3rd gen tl is great and gorgeous. But it in no way makes the RLX look bland. Say what you want about the ILX, its a entry level. But the RLX looks stunning in my opinion. Far more luxurious than the 3rd gen TL... not arguing sales numbers though.
Im not and im sure hes not saying the 3rd gen makes the ILX and RLX look bland, they do that on their own. And yes, i would say the ILX and RLX are BLAND.
03-01-2014, 02:23 PM
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Itz JDM y0!
IMO the ILX looks fine with a few mods.
Just look at Jon's. Not sure what exactly what he has, but the white wheels, JDM fogs and front lip really set it off. The car obviously has potential, if Acura took the time to make a "sport trim" or something with skirts/front lip/rear bumper and wheels it would look pretty good. Unfortunately it looks like the TLX is going down the same road. With the appropriate stance/bumpers/wheels I don't doubt it will look great. It's just Honda's massive taming down and inability to produce a "sport trim" or something for consumers that includes those things. Just look at the base 328i and the ///M sport version. The base 328i in the gray that they mostly produce them in looks rather bland. But when you look at the 328i M sport it looks almost like a completely different car.
Just look at Jon's. Not sure what exactly what he has, but the white wheels, JDM fogs and front lip really set it off. The car obviously has potential, if Acura took the time to make a "sport trim" or something with skirts/front lip/rear bumper and wheels it would look pretty good. Unfortunately it looks like the TLX is going down the same road. With the appropriate stance/bumpers/wheels I don't doubt it will look great. It's just Honda's massive taming down and inability to produce a "sport trim" or something for consumers that includes those things. Just look at the base 328i and the ///M sport version. The base 328i in the gray that they mostly produce them in looks rather bland. But when you look at the 328i M sport it looks almost like a completely different car.
03-01-2014, 04:40 PM
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IMO the ILX looks fine with a few mods.
Just look at Jon's. Not sure what exactly what he has, but the white wheels, JDM fogs and front lip really set it off. The car obviously has potential, if Acura took the time to make a "sport trim" or something with skirts/front lip/rear bumper and wheels it would look pretty good. Unfortunately it looks like the TLX is going down the same road. With the appropriate stance/bumpers/wheels I don't doubt it will look great. It's just Honda's massive taming down and inability to produce a "sport trim" or something for consumers that includes those things. Just look at the base 328i and the ///M sport version. The base 328i in the gray that they mostly produce them in looks rather bland. But when you look at the 328i M sport it looks almost like a completely different car.
Just look at Jon's. Not sure what exactly what he has, but the white wheels, JDM fogs and front lip really set it off. The car obviously has potential, if Acura took the time to make a "sport trim" or something with skirts/front lip/rear bumper and wheels it would look pretty good. Unfortunately it looks like the TLX is going down the same road. With the appropriate stance/bumpers/wheels I don't doubt it will look great. It's just Honda's massive taming down and inability to produce a "sport trim" or something for consumers that includes those things. Just look at the base 328i and the ///M sport version. The base 328i in the gray that they mostly produce them in looks rather bland. But when you look at the 328i M sport it looks almost like a completely different car.
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03-01-2014, 05:31 PM
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The part of the video that has my hopes up is around 4:24 where he says something along the lines of "not that it won't ever appear on the TLX...." when they are talking about exposed exhaust design elements and reserving that for performance models. Now I know for sure I'm going to wait at least three more years for a Type S SHAWD V6 turbo with 6MT before I'd replace my TL SH AWD 6MT with a TLX. 2016 or 2017 could be a hot year for under $50K roomy sedans with MTs if the rumors about the next Chevy SS and Buick GNX hold true...
One of the appealing things for me about Acura has been reliability and value. If the top of the line regular TLX is going to push $50K, then I may not wait for a Type S (ie will go elsewhere if I find something more compelling sooner at a price point under $50K). And yeah, I know Chevy is allegedly not competing with "luxury brands" with its SS; but, sorry guys, value shoppers care about features and performance per dollar more than the "brand equity" the Germans have in spades. Acura could still be unwittingly killing themselves even faster if they increase prices before the brand is recognized for style and prestige (ie the brand that is recognized for reliability and value loses reliability and value if price gets too high and new DI engines and DCT/CVT transmissions prove to be problematic, and prestige/luxury/style equity is still an unknown with this evolving design language).
One of the appealing things for me about Acura has been reliability and value. If the top of the line regular TLX is going to push $50K, then I may not wait for a Type S (ie will go elsewhere if I find something more compelling sooner at a price point under $50K). And yeah, I know Chevy is allegedly not competing with "luxury brands" with its SS; but, sorry guys, value shoppers care about features and performance per dollar more than the "brand equity" the Germans have in spades. Acura could still be unwittingly killing themselves even faster if they increase prices before the brand is recognized for style and prestige (ie the brand that is recognized for reliability and value loses reliability and value if price gets too high and new DI engines and DCT/CVT transmissions prove to be problematic, and prestige/luxury/style equity is still an unknown with this evolving design language).
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03-01-2014, 05:47 PM
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The part of the video that has my hopes up is around 4:24 where he says something along the lines of "not that it won't ever appear on the TLX...." when they are talking about exposed exhaust design elements and reserving that for performance models. Now I know for sure I'm going to wait at least three more years for a Type S SHAWD V6 turbo with 6MT before I'd replace my TL SH AWD 6MT with a TLX. 2016 or 2017 could be a hot year for under $50K roomy sedans with MTs if the rumors about the next Chevy SS and Buick GNX hold true...
One of the appealing things for me about Acura has been reliability and value. If the top of the line regular TLX is going to push $50K, then I may not wait for a Type S (ie will go elsewhere if I find something more compelling sooner at a price point under $50K). And yeah, I know Chevy is allegedly not competing with "luxury brands" with its SS; but, sorry guys, value shoppers care about features and performance per dollar more than the "brand equity" the Germans have in spades. Acura could still be unwittingly killing themselves even faster if they increase prices before the brand is recognized for style and prestige (ie the brand that is recognized for reliability and value loses reliability and value if price gets too high and new DI engines and DCT/CVT transmissions prove to be problematic, and prestige/luxury/style equity is still an unknown with this evolving design language).
One of the appealing things for me about Acura has been reliability and value. If the top of the line regular TLX is going to push $50K, then I may not wait for a Type S (ie will go elsewhere if I find something more compelling sooner at a price point under $50K). And yeah, I know Chevy is allegedly not competing with "luxury brands" with its SS; but, sorry guys, value shoppers care about features and performance per dollar more than the "brand equity" the Germans have in spades. Acura could still be unwittingly killing themselves even faster if they increase prices before the brand is recognized for style and prestige (ie the brand that is recognized for reliability and value loses reliability and value if price gets too high and new DI engines and DCT/CVT transmissions prove to be problematic, and prestige/luxury/style equity is still an unknown with this evolving design language).
One of the best responses so far.
you understand Acura's Niche market, butt, also understand that there are better vehicles.
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03-01-2014, 06:10 PM
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JK but in all seriousness, I will cross shop when the time comes for an upgrade.
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03-01-2014, 07:00 PM
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Just about any car can be made to look great with enough money and time. Problem is is not all want to spend the time or have to put the effort into it to do so when they can just go to another manufacturer that offers it. And there in-lies the problem, Acura can do it, but for what ever reason they dont.
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03-01-2014, 07:47 PM
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Pretty real, on the market. The 2014 SS is $43K base & $47K MSRP all optioned out. 5.0 V8 415bhp. 0-60 @ 4.5 - 1/4 @ 12.9/111mph skid pad 0.95G stop 70-0 153ft
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03-01-2014, 07:50 PM
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That is exactly the point I was trying to make. They obviously have the ability to produce some type of sport trim/package, yet they don't. Lexus has one, BMW has one, Mercedes has one, yet Acura doesn't. The closest they had was the Type S on the 3G TL, and the TSX has a "special edition" pack which gives different wheels, front bumper, skirts etc.. but it doesn't go anywhere near as far as M-sport or F-sport. The ILX and tamed down TLX will look much better if there was some trim with more aggressive bumpers and wheels. If they make a Type S TLX trim with visible exhaust tips and the prototype front/rear bumpers and wheels, I bet most on this forum would have a higher opinion of it.
no type-s versions.
just silly SE versions.
03-01-2014, 08:10 PM
#68
2014 SS has no MT available and still using the 6.2 V8 from 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP (hwy mpg 20), which did come with an MT that I would have purchased in 2010 (instead of my TL) had GM not killed Pontiac before my 2007 BMW 335i 3-year lease ended. The rumor to which I'm referring is that the current SS is just a short term Australian built stop gap until the next generation SS and large Buick rear drive sedan based upon the alpha architecture that underpins the latest Cadillac ATS and CTS is ready. These two vehicles could also get the C7 Corvette based LT1 DI V8 that gets close to 30mpg on the hwy with peak hp well above 415. If they pair that engine with a 6MT or 7MT (like C7 'vette), I'm there...
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03-01-2014, 09:02 PM
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2014 SS has no MT available and still using the 6.2 V8 from 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP (hwy mpg 20), which did come with an MT that I would have purchased in 2010 (instead of my TL) had GM not killed Pontiac before my 2007 BMW 335i 3-year lease ended. The rumor to which I'm referring is that the current SS is just a short term Australian built stop gap until the next generation SS and large Buick rear drive sedan based upon the alpha architecture that underpins the latest Cadillac ATS and CTS is ready. These two vehicles could also get the C7 Corvette based LT1 DI V8 that gets close to 30mpg on the hwy with peak hp well above 415. If they pair that engine with a 6MT or 7MT (like C7 'vette), I'm there...
03-02-2014, 05:46 AM
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Right, when I see an RLX or an ILX on the street, I can identify the brand, but there isnt any real road presence. they're just bland cars, almost like how toyota became.
why spend $50k on a bland car when there are other exciting, beautiful, more driver involved cars?
why spend $50k on a bland car when there are other exciting, beautiful, more driver involved cars?
^^^^ This.....absolutely this.
I'm in agreement with Justin. I don't like driving cars that look like everything else on the streets. Just like Lexus, that's what Acura has become. Where's the radical styling design? I like the jewel headlights. Now let's apply that to the exterior too.
03-02-2014, 03:11 PM
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03-03-2014, 10:43 PM
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I find it disconcerting to see so many Acura bashers on a site that I thought was predominately for fans of Acura. I don't mind reading the occasional criticisms but it seems as though some here have an absolute disdain for Acura products and are hell bent on hating Acura. Don't really understand why one would spend so much time on an Acura fan site if they truly loathe the brand. Anyone agree with me? Or am I about to be skewered?
03-03-2014, 10:53 PM
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I think it looks nice in the well-done photoshops on this forum where people simply removed the beak. I understand why some dealships paint them black but it would be really nice if Acura simple offered a choice.
03-03-2014, 11:02 PM
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I find it disconcerting to see so many Acura bashers on a site that I thought was predominately for fans of Acura. I don't mind reading the occasional criticisms but it seems as though some here have an absolute disdain for Acura products and are hell bent on hating Acura. Don't really understand why one would spend so much time on an Acura fan site if they truly loathe the brand. Anyone agree with me? Or am I about to be skewered?
I'm far more concerned about the number of fanboys that say take it or leave it and if you don't like it you shouldn't be on this planet. For the most part though I see people who have loyalty although it reaches its limits when Acura seems to be walled off from their own customers.
03-04-2014, 05:39 AM
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I find it disconcerting to see so many Acura bashers on a site that I thought was predominately for fans of Acura. I don't mind reading the occasional criticisms but it seems as though some here have an absolute disdain for Acura products and are hell bent on hating Acura. Don't really understand why one would spend so much time on an Acura fan site if they truly loathe the brand. Anyone agree with me? Or am I about to be skewered?
Here you have people, many that have been loyal Acura owners from the Glory days of the Legend, the 3G TL and so on and then were let down when Acura made several critical mistakes, the 4G styling, the 4G TL over shadowing the RL and so on. So many of us get frustrated when we see Acura do thing contrary to what we think is the obvious answer. Of course we are all Monday morning quarterbacks and are not in the board room to hear what the corporate direction or strategy is, but we still voice our frustrations.
Look at my signature and participation here for almost 10 years and you will see I love Acura, but have moved on recently because I feel Acura has just not offered what I am looking for. I hope with the TLX they win me back, I think they have a good opportunity. I was hoping the RLX would win me back, but to me it was a huge disappointment.
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03-04-2014, 07:34 AM
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I find it disconcerting to see so many Acura bashers on a site that I thought was predominately for fans of Acura. I don't mind reading the occasional criticisms but it seems as though some here have an absolute disdain for Acura products and are hell bent on hating Acura. Don't really understand why one would spend so much time on an Acura fan site if they truly loathe the brand. Anyone agree with me? Or am I about to be skewered?
c'mon, it's 2014.
you are no longer shackled to one brand, as there are many other exciting auto makers that can do the same or better than acura.
it's not about hate at all.
(dont be a fan boy post)
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03-04-2014, 11:09 AM
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I find it disconcerting to see so many Acura bashers on a site that I thought was predominately for fans of Acura. I don't mind reading the occasional criticisms but it seems as though some here have an absolute disdain for Acura products and are hell bent on hating Acura. Don't really understand why one would spend so much time on an Acura fan site if they truly loathe the brand. Anyone agree with me? Or am I about to be skewered?
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Things constantly evolve including the car landscape & personal requirements. I did own & was happy with a 3G from 2006 till 2011. Additionally we have 2 Pilots in the immediate family, both recommended by me so its not a hate Honda/Acura thing.
I like the look of the TLX prototype & under different circumstances could see buying it, but if the white car R&T has pictured is the production model I believe they are watering it down to much. Still a nice car but nowhere near the visual impact of the prototype.
When the 4G came out for me there were two changes that took it off the table. My requirement for a 4 door went away when my grandkids could drive themselves to school. The other was the look of the car itself which I did not like & am not one to spend money on a car that I don’t want to look at in the driveway. I also felt it was underperforming for the segment they were targeting.
I have never been wedded to any one brand & see no reason to make a $40K+ buying decision based on sticking with a brand over buying what I like regardless of brand.
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